Chemp's ideaz 4 overall clan betterness n stoof

Hi dur, mi naem chemp, i r gud idea maekr!!!

Ok, so down to business. I've been thinking of a few ideas to make WG overall better, but tell me what you think, some of my idas might be really bad, but who knows!

Ok so here it goes:

1) FA/Intro system

So basically I just think that having a FA/Intro system would get us more members and could really benefit us. I was thinking about making the reqs for FA like 95 or 100+ or something like that.

PROS:
~ More members
~ Can really get some dedicated members from this because they will be working hard to get in.
~ Would make some of the people that were in favor of 100+ happier, which makes WG happier!

CONS:
~ Might get some inactive members (but can be kicked)
~ Might be tough to monitor

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2) Easier to get into WG

So yeah, I've been noticing that it can be tough to get into WG sometimes. Alot of people have trouble getting 5 members to get online, and some feel awkward being introduced to so many people at once and it just kinda overwhelms them and they never app. I think that maybe we will get more people if we make it sorta like DF where you just kinda intro and say you want to join and they let you come to fights and stuff, but you're not a full member. This obviously has some pitfalls like anything does, they will be explained in the cons section.

PROS:
~ More people
~ I think if people get in faster and such they will be more willing to become a full member and be in the clan for awhile. Maybe not, could go either way.

CONS:
~ Spying will be easier
~ Will have most likely a fair amount of inactives. (But they can be kicked)

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3) Have a higher rank for higher levels

The title of this is worded very badly but I couldn't think of any other way to say it. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that we have one of those things like THE has where it's 105+ to join, but if you want to get like a special rank or something (idk....more forum access or something?) it's 110+. We could even make something special if you're 115+. This will mainly be some encouragement for our lower levels to train up without being forced to.

PROS:
~ Potentially higher levels
~ Gives people goals to shoot for, makes being in WG all that more fun.

CONS:
~ uhhh idk....anyone got any?

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4) Have some mandatory non-pvp events
So I've noticed that alot of the events that aren't mandatory pull shit numbers. So I think it would be fun to once in awhile have a mandatory GWD trip. Or mandatory Soul wars, Or mandatory game losing, etc etc. Lots of fun events like the VIP thing, the zombie thing, and the one thing that SLayer made up where you drop the weapons and stuff . All of these things would be hella fun with alot of people, so why not have a mandatory event like these once in a blue moon, can't hurt eh?

PROS:
~ More people come to non-pvp stuff
~ Would be hella fun

CONS:
~ NONE!!!


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5) Hype up fights more

Yeah so basically I thought of this through talking to leecable. Essentially we just hype up wars more by making a topic to get pumped on and spam like shit and talk crap (friendly crap!) about the other clan, Make signatures for the wars, and make banners for the war at the top of the forums that are there permanently until the war is over, then we switch back ot the other banners. It seems like atm we just make a fight topic, people sign up, and thats it. If we get more hype, more people will come (hopefully), more people will bind, the spam will be better, better bind, etc.

PROS:
~ More enthusiasm
~ Better spam, binds, pulls, fall ins, etc.

CONS:
~ NUFFIN NOW GET PUMPED@@@@@@@@@@@


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6) Recruitment Goals

I think if we were to add monthly recruitment goals it could really help us get members. If we set a goal (etc, 70 people on the ML by the end of the month.) then I think everyone would feel more enticed to try and recruit people. I think we should start out small, like 5-10 a month, then we can move up our standards if need be (although I think 5-10 a month is a good goal).

PROS:
~ More members (potentially)
~ People feel more enticed to recruit and help the clan to reach it's goals.

CONS:
~If we don't meet our goal some might cry but not really a big deal.

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7) Recruitment Team Re-vamp

So basically I was flirting with Moose on IRC beccause I think he's cute, and he brought up some good recruitment team changes...ideas...things. Anyways before I butcher any more English, his ideas were to, "split it up into all major forums (sals tipit etc) and have 2-3 ppl on each based on timezones so theres always someone checking them." And also, "have reports/meetings or something to make sure people are still doing it, offer support or suggestions or anything like that." I think these are great ideas, go Moose!

PROS:
~ More efficient and active recruitment team.

CONS:
~ Nothing really

Credit to Zemus for the idea

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8) More Miniwars

It seems to me that recently there has been a slip in the amount of shortprep PvP miniwars we have. I think that they are a great source of practice for our major wars, helps newbies learn how to tank, hybrid, etc. So I think we should have more of these as we go into summer and get more active. Maybe we can even try doing some p2p matched options fights .

PROS:
~ More practice for bigger fights
~ Fun

CONS:
~ wat

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9) Add Intro's to Freinds list automatically

I've noticed that we have SOOOO many intro's and so few apply. Matter fact one of our intro's that stated in his intro that he has always wanted to be in WG, is now a VR FA. I think this is because we don't befreind our intro's and we don't make an effort to nudge them into applying being in the clan. That is why I suggest having everybody automatically add the person when they intro to the clan and to to them and get them to apply etc. I think this will result in much more people applying and mass recruiting might actually work. (Also see idea #7)

PROS:
~ Better overall community
~ more people applying

CONS:
~ wat



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That's all I can think of atm, I was going to make some witty thing to do with Joe being nh but cba after all that typing.

@Council: Please read over and consider everything I said. Like seriously discuss it. Seems like so many suggestions don't ever really get discussed or anyhting.

Please post what you think guys, the more opinions the better. I don't even fully agree with some of these idea's, but I'm just throwing them out there so you can help pass judgement on them. I might think of more things later.

DISCUSS!!!!!

~Chimpy

Yea, uh we just raised reqs to 105. Since we are (horribly) attempting to get into more pvp. Having a 95 with us will mean he is the first pile every time.

And um, we go not by levels, but by dedication for ranks in WG. Unless we make up new levels.

And right now it is (really) easy to get into wg. So long as your not a spy, and you can make atleast 2 friends.

And your mandatory non-pvp events may just be onto something. Make 1 major event a week mandatory, I like it.

good ideas. it would be cool the get this approved and see how it changes things

Chimp NH cbf typing reply atm

We already have an intro process. Making it easier to get in will cause more damage than it will solve, these include problems such as a bunch of idiots will get past the screening process, more than the ones that get in already. Ranks based on levels always fail, just because someone has no desire to train constantly does not mean they are more deserving. People do not enjoy being forced into anything, this has been proven with mandatory PvP events. More people go to PvP events than they do any other events. This can only lead to extreme controversy.

for 1 but like sgt said we'll get piled way easier so im for higher req actually lol

im for 3 but we already deep into system 2 and 4 im for it but for the application process its like way too many steps it should be like intro trial validation-graduation

WOW DUDE WTF... have you been reading lvl 3 in secret recently?
Ideas 3 + 4 have been discussed recently.
As for idea 4, the general staff opinion is that it would be a really good idea, and to make non-pvp events have a mandatory sign up (only from time to time), not all the time, just like megaraids + wars.

My main issue would be it being easier to get into WG. As it is, the application system is a joke, nobody really gets declined. There's no need to make it easier.

I advocated (3) before; I really detest that higher and elite guardians have to be hand-picked by the council, especially when we hear every few weeks about how you're under-appreciated and have too much work to do (yet design a system that requires you to do more work: wtf).

Something I ran into is people thought it would create an elite class within the clan and cause problems similar to sectors. For the "oh we tried this before and it didn't work out" FUCK YOUR SECTORPHOBIA! I still think it's the best way to make this clan work without screwing anyone over, and in the past two years we haven't really managed to do anything better.

Do something revolutionary goddammit, you can't live your life terrified of stubbing a toe.

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PS: Because I think it's relevant (this is when we were "discussing" lowering the combat requirements from 107 back to 100 and sectors were already having nails put in their coffins; the council was divided between the sectors which didn't end well):

I agree with alot of your suggestions and appreciate the
fact that you have given it so much thought.

I agree with Joe that making it "easier" to get into WG
is not necessary since its plenty easy now, but perhaps
a re-evaluation of the current application is in order.

I mean really....a pic of yourself in irc, or 5 wg names on your
list? What does that prove?

How about references that are actually checked? Give us 5 names
of personal friends that will vouch for you? If they are a spy, will
all their friends be in on it? Not likely.

And I agree with Wayne that an elite class within WG is not
a good idea, but mandatory non pvp events are fair and lead to
greater community building within the clan.

I'd like to see sectors back, but introducing a rank system based on levels would is very similar (divide the clan by ranks instead of sectors, allowing unique events for higher-ranked members). Basically it's the same as a sector system except without the balderdash and also gives emphasis to training without twisting anyone's arm AND let's the council focus on doing more important things than sifting through the clan memberlist and deciding who "deserves" a promotion.

So yeah, I like it.

We also had OBH (was that combat-related?) and the combat academy.

And a bunch of other stuff.

Added #5

POST PEOPLE!

And Ranma idk what this whole operation purple haze is

I agree with most of it but I REALLY want to see #5 happen. Hyping up fights more.

All we have these days is a topic to sign up on. That's it. Where's the enthusiasm? Back in the day, we would make special banners, signatures, forum topics...we would have a bunch of training events..mass PMs and emails...wars were huge deals back then. Now people don't give two shits and it's really depressing. This clan is depressing. Seriously.

I like #5 though a con of higher ranks for higher levels doesn't give credit to other contributions besides just levels.

I know a great title, Chimp is NH rank

I like the ideas. but the fact that we have 95's in a high lvled clan world sounds like we're asking for a massacre.

and i always said we should have mandatory non-pvp events, If ur not dedicated to the events cause ur choppin' wood, then ur not dedicated to the clan. take the time to show your clan you are responsible, and you can actually show your ass up to the events u app'ed for...

Joe = NH! Nuff said.

his lordship made a huge point on irc earlier. which u guys will find out soon.

in any case, we need to place some vision and actually start producing

Here are the Cons for idea 3 and 4.

For the third idea of lvls for ranks...
We have a handful of members that are under 115 combat that contribute on a daily basis. Now what you are suggesting is that the already higher/elite guardians cant be their rank anymore with that system. This idea basically makes the clan a fighting/pvp based clan which is NOT what we want to do and/or are not at all.

For the fourth idea of making non-pvp events mandatory...
Being discussed over staff and council atm. It's a big issure. Heres the deal... About 40-50 members say they want more non-pvp events and/or agree that if more people attended them they would be epic fun. Of those 40-50 members, i see about the same 5-10 that attend EVERY single event. And you CANNOT say this is a lie, i attend more events than anyone and i of all people would know. Now there are also 15-20 members that totally hate the non-pvp events/part of WG. They will riot if we had mandatory events.

Now if we make it a mandatory sign-up. It doesn't guarantee good turnout. It just shows that people are or arent forum active.

Also, punishments for skipping events and having lame excuses will also be discussed in lvl 3+ becuase that is just an issue that can't be overlooked.

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Besides that, great idea Chimpy. Good work.

~Saad

In response to your first part saad, I don't want people to thikn of them as ranks...more like titles, and you get something cool for it. Idc how you do it, I just want some fun way to get people to train. MAybe make it sorta like a competition, idk.

wat u sugest?????

For the FA/Intro system to work, we really need them to REALLY want into WG, which means we need something that they really want and are willing to put the effort in. Right now, I don't see us having something that an FA would work hard for.

As for getting into WG easier, right now it's pretty easy as it is. In all honesty, if you think our current system is hard, you won't have much luck getting into bigger and better clans.

I do however agree with the mandatory non-pvp events. In my eyes, a turn out of 3 to something like penguin hunting is just as good at lowering morale as pulling 20 to a PKRI.

New suggestion: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...t=0#entry154253

Thanks for all the input guys, keep it cocming

New idea added btw, go check it out (and post your thoughts)

despite being forced to post , I really think these are all good ideas. WG has been famous as a massive numbers clan. With several new members we could really become at the top of the clan world again, and I think the recruitment teams is a good way to accomplish this.

I like most of it other than lowering the req.

If we lowered req i'd only expect it to be a few levels lower like 102-103. And as for the recruitment team now that i'm a part of it i'll be recruiting atleast 3 people a month myself but heres what i think would work out...

Back in my old clan in order to keep your rank such as council and event leader you had to have a minimum of 1 recruitment per month which motivated most of us to recruit 1 person. If all of the higher ranks recruit atleast 1 perosn a month then we'll be set and gradually our ML will grow even more.

Chimpster ur idea's are pretty good not gunna lie

Idea's 8 and 9 added, please look them over and POST@@@

gr8 post

owow dis gud

1 and 2. I think WG is actually good

3. Level doesn't make the member any better or worse in so many ways. I think they get guardian score for their dedication to training combat and certain quests that they complete. This is already sorta in the forum.

4 and 5 Agree

6. Just us massing for tears gets attention. Use the time we do this for recruiting? We invited people to join us and they really liked that.

7. Agree.

8. I like the mini wars better. That could be a con.

9. I think adding people to friends list is good.

Additional Idea for #9
Maybe like the recruiting team, we should have a welcoming team. I know mentors do this but let's say you meet 3 people and get to know them. That would make you more likely to stay knowing you have friends and that the clan is friendly. (This should be with all levels that come to us.) It can't be the same people all the time either. I try to make friends with everyone, but time zones and availability make it tough to know every single person. I still think using people's first names is a really good way of letting them know we think of the person behind the keyboard.

Edit:

Don't try to force people to train. The combat skill of the week helps some of us set little goals for ourselves. This is a better way of doing it then force. If I'm asked to go train at something that is not to dangerous with someone to keep them company I know that is helpful to get me going. Maybe try asking the ones that don't like to train what seems to help them. Problem with some of us might be we are not competitive with each other but like to be competitive by reaching our own goals in a set period of time. Sorta like athletes that run cross country compared to a football team. Both on a team but one is beating personal performance.