My limbs grow wearier

The bullshit actions of some of the leadership weighs me down more day by day. I gave my word but each time the word of the leadership is broken I wonder does it really matter any more? Every load of bullshit that the leadership gives the clan weighs me down more and more till I wonder is it worth it any more? Maybe I alone feel this but the question you have to ask yourself is, what if other people do?

If you could be more specific then perhaps some people could back you up.

Especially in situs like mine were I'm new here and also been inactive this week.

I agree.

We're always changig policies like banning's suspensions on people that would be useful, but not people that would ultimately deserve it.

We're always changing policies and how the clan works, and we wonder why we cannot permon as a stable clan.

I want concrete Yes/No answers no more of this "well bans are now permanent" then unban someone next week. (as an example)

we need concrete policies not wishy-washy, "lets make everyon happy" bullshit.

We keep secrets for a reason as I'm sure any staff member would back me up on that one. Everything is for the benefit of the clan and nothing else. Sorry that not everything we do is sent to Joe's inbox.

I haven't been here long enough to know how it "used"
to be Joe, but I get the impression that rules in WG get
"adjusted" to suit the desire of the leader involved.

I have never been in a clan before, but I am really
disappointed in seeing example after example on irc
and in forums of the lack of loyalty by the leaders of this
clan to the current members.

The current members of the clan DESERVE the backing
of their leaders at all time. When a guest or an ex member
insults one of us on forums or in irc, it should not be
tolerated. Ever. Those are the ppl who left the clan and
we are the ppl that are STILL HERE!!

Seriously, stop making exceptions for people.
You un-ban Bobster because he was mistakenly banned.
You un-ban Mugger because he gave you "good" information and leaked a spy.
You pardon Simon who is banned so he can talk in IRC.

If you are going to make exceptions, let's let some more people that some people like into WG and #Wg_Lobby.

I've only been here a few weeks, but I know rules should be absolute. Without firm leadership, loyalty waivers. I would find a quote from Julius Caesar or someone, but I cbf right now.

Wg isn't the same anymore (Warn lvl me w/e i could care less atm)

It never USED to be like this when Wg ruled p2p and was top 12 F2P.

People used to get banned PERMANTLY, people used to get BANNED for skipping events, People used to get WARNED for talking trash, People used to ATTEND events.

It's so different it's not even in the same clan anymore in my eyes. Idk if council agree's or not anyone who WAS ACTIVE during the Kenshln days knows WTF im on about.

To answer who "Simon" is :

First I have to say my opinion is extremely bias. I love Simon and never have to many issues with him now or before.

The clan's biggest issues with him were due to his join/leave type thing. He would come and go from the clan rather often. I think like twice while I was here. He would get upset and then leave the clan. Mostly because of how he was treated by some members.

He was opinionated and some didn't agree with his opinion. He was more of a skiller then a war person. He voiced this very loudly and clearly. There were people that simply hated him for that. He didn't hold back his flaming in irc when certain other members would attack him for not doing what they thought he should be doing. He wasn't breaking any rules by not doing the stuff. He could of been more helpful in their opinion.

Simon is the one person though that would take the time to take me places to train my combat and keep me company. He was extremely encouraging and I never got into a flame war with him when we disagreed. He was always respectful to those that could discuss in a respectful manner. He didn't tolerate being threatened by some. I don't blame Simon for his leaving/returning entirely on himself. It's hard to be in a situation that he found his self often. But haven't we seen this in other members as well and even in some that were in leadership positions.

My opinion is if he causes trouble then I think Kathy has the right idea. He has been away long enough that a lot of the issues don't even matter now. I, however, support and trust our council on this issue. I'm still close friends with Simon and I don't see that ending.

Remember I admitted my opinion is biased.

Rachel, the thing is is he is banned. I do not have anything against him as a person, but he is the one who agreed that he would be banned if he left again, and he still left. If we pardon one person, then times are going to go by when we have to make the same exception. It only ends up in a circle of mistakes and people are getting the pardons every time they do something.

If we have rules, then we need to follow rules. Don't bend rules for someone you like/don't like/hate/love. It only makes things get into deeper shit than if you hurt the friend for 1 day, or however long they want to stay mad at you for following the rules.

I remember this arguement a while ago.
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First off: The banning of people of banned people in lobby.

I tend to be a very lenient person. Some think I'm too lenient, but my reasons are justified.

In the case of Simon, many will agree that he did cause drama. However, he was banned because of mass leavings, NOT because of the drama.

He doesn't cause trouble in lobby, therefore I let him stay. Hes just minding his own business. However, if it was the case of, lets say Rick Hamm, I would ban him immediately because he WILL cause drama. Simon has not caused trouble. If he did start up shit, we would of course ban him totally.

Lets say Moose left WG, and was banned for leaving too many times (im just using you as an example, ILU MOOSE). Should we ban him from the lobby because hes banned? Hes not causing trouble and chances are he won't.

Sure they're banned, but some of the bans are lighter than the others.

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Second: the revoking of bans on certain individuals

I will admit that I did not agree with the unbanning of certain people and that the leadership should be more firm. I have seen some of the reasons behind this, and I cant say, but we need to hold the information for a bit longer. Sorry guys.

Nick, I'm not saying what council should do, just stating who I see Simon as. I follow the rules the same as the rest of the clan. Whatever is decided is how it will be.

I do agree with BTO there is a difference. Ruling with the ability to see trouble ahead is always a good thing.