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[Planning] Staff Meeting - 5/11/09
By Back to Own on 11/05/2009
Bto edit:
Alright so we have some input from the elites. Now we have to weed out what we won't use, and what we will use.
George Edit: This has been moved down to Level Two so we can get your opinions on the following ideas.
Please remember that these are just IDEAS, not concrete plans.
This was a spontaneous meeting. We managed to get Andrew (for a bit), Saad, Bto, DZ, Darf, and George in this.
Staff - We're slacking to some extent
- EVERYONE needs to do their jobs more efficiently
- Stay Active in event creation
- Bring back the "Abs" plan - Make weekly tasks for leaders - Failure to comply results in a painful death.
- Remaining positive; Don't complain about turnouts. Emphasize the good things.
- Appoint some new staff; See Warring.
Warring
-Back to CWA
- Raid/Warlords need to act; Refer back to Staff Activity.
- George's 3 strike system for raids to increase raid activity
- Assign an Aussie/GMT raid leader - All warring leaders are EST
PLANNED EVENTS
- Less spontaneous raids
- More Matched fights
- Reduction in PKRIs.
Recruitment - Recruitment team is NOT working
- Appoint a new rank for leading recruits?
- RSC is too competative
- Find alternative methods of recruiting
Activity
- George's 3 strike system - Implemented into raids/wars/sign-ups
- Incentives and Recognition as opposed to punishment
- Revice old incentives, improve, and actually make them work (War badges, Guardian score, Hall of Fame etc.)
- Recognition - Little things make a big difference (Praise certain people in IA, Complements, #WG_lobby/#WG topic, etc.); Refer to Staff - Remaining positive.
If you have any questions/concerns/additions, feel free to act. This really was just a brainstorming session; nothing is concrete at the moment.
After, Maybe we should move this down to level two? Theres nothing too valuable that can be shared with the Elites. If anything, our vets are the ones that need to know that we're coming with change.
By Mickey on 11/05/2009
A good idea would be to create a topic in General Matters/IA forum listing all the planned events for the week. This way members can refer to a single topic rather than having to read several different ones.
By Kyle on 11/05/2009
Actually I think it would be good to bring it down to level 2. Members want to know what we have planned; this is a prime example of what we need to tell them.
By David on 12/05/2009
I think it would be good to have a non-staff leader for the Recruitment Team. Gene put me in charge of Recruitment, but having a non-staff would be beneficial to this. If I have any say, I'd like to have Lefty as the liaison because he seems like he'd be willing to put forth the effort needed.
I am currently trying to think of new ways to do recruitment events, but besides running around/public events there isn't much to do in-game as a clan. RSC is tough as well because it's open warfare. The BEST way is really to just strike up conversations with people in-game that meet our requirements.
On the topic of raids, I'd be up for more spontaneous raids because I never get to any except the Aussie raid. I think we should promote someone in the Aussie timezone to Raid Leader that way that area is covered. As it is, we've got one Raid Leader in the American timezone.
By Back to Own on 12/05/2009
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ May 11, 2009 07:34 pm) |
I think it would be good to have a non-staff leader for the Recruitment Team. Gene put me in charge of Recruitment, but having a non-staff would be beneficial to this. If I have any say, I'd like to have Lefty as the liaison because he seems like he'd be willing to put forth the effort needed.
I am currently trying to think of new ways to do recruitment events, but besides running around/public events there isn't much to do in-game as a clan. RSC is tough as well because it's open warfare. The BEST way is really to just strike up conversations with people in-game that meet our requirements.
On the topic of raids, I'd be up for more spontaneous raids because I never get to any except the Aussie raid. I think we should promote someone in the Aussie timezone to Raid Leader that way that area is covered. As it is, we've got one Raid Leader in the American timezone. |
That brings up an interesting point. With mickey leaving, all of our warring leaders will be EST.
Lordy - AEST
Randy - EST
George - GMT
Darf - EST
Bto - EST
Glenn - EST (well more west, but w/e)
1Col - AEST? (Idk, sorry lol)
Groedius - GMT
Saad - EST
If we want to continue our coverage of all timezones, we're going to need to appoint an aussie raid leader. Maybe just go ahead and appoint moose without the process. Sure Lordy can lead the Aussie Raid, but we cant be dependant on him all the time.
So we need more GMT + Aussie leaders. Ill add that to the main post.
I also agree that we need to find alternative ways of recruiting. There is too much competition on RSC. Maybe we need to reach out to tip.it or other sites? We would also have to build reputation to reach out.
By David on 12/05/2009
Yeah I'm 2 hours behind AEST. I'm in the same timezone as Gene.
By George on 12/05/2009
Moved down to Level Two!
By JC on 12/05/2009
Since I'm bored I'll address every point I can:
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Staff - We're slacking to some extent - EVERYONE needs to do their jobs more efficiently - Stay Active in event creation - Bring back the "Abs" plan - Make weekly tasks for leaders - Failure to comply results in a painful death. - Remaining positive; Don't complain about turnouts. Emphasize the good things. - Appoint some new staff; See Warring. |
Though you bring up issues with event creation, I think the greater issue is with IRC activity. I'm currently looking at IRC and it's been 4 hours since the last Leader (tertiary/Council) was online and this isnt something unusual at all.
The 'Abs Plan' I recall was pretty ineffective without allot of time being put into it, it started off with a 'hiss and a roar' then quickly ran out of momentum and the posts stopped being made and/or updated. If it returns make sure you're willing and capable of keeping on top of it.
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Warring -Back to CWA - Raid/Warlords need to act; Refer back to Staff Activity. - George's 3 strike system for raids to increase raid activity - Assign an Aussie/GMT raid leader - All warring leaders are EST PLANNED EVENTS - Less spontaneous raids - More Matched fights - Reduction in PKRIs. |
Back to CWA, great! I've actually always enjoyed f2p cwa in particular as it allows people to get extra warring practice with no risk. Lets not do CWA with tko again though

Can't comment on the 2nd point.
Its been mentioned a couple of times the '3 strike system' so I assume it is a project for improved activity via punishment? this seems to contradict the general message that we want to improve activity via positive rinforcement rather than "attend or you get kicked/warned" etc?
Council knows my position on point 4.
Planned raids. Didn't we just get rid of these because people were 'intentionally offline' when these were coming up? I personally dislike spontaneous raids because 99% of the time it will be interuppting me doing something else if I'm on RS, but I dont know if we can afford to have people avoiding raids atm. Maybe have some planned CWA events?
Less PKRI's and more matched wars sounds good

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Recruitment - Recruitment team is NOT working - Appoint a new rank for leading recruits? - RSC is too competative - Find alternative methods of recruiting |
Wasnt the recruitment team the brainchild of several members who are no longer in Wg and might that be the reason it isn't working? I still think it should at least be closely watched by members of leadership even if you don't want to have any staff being the 'recruitment team leader'.
At the moment we recruit on: RSOF/RSC/Tif? what other ways are there out there? Of course there is in game recruiting which we also do, but really I can't think of any other methods that will work. Maybe start RSMV's involving WG? a greater presence on youtube could give us members I guess?
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Activity
- George's 3 strike system - Implemented into raids/wars/sign-ups - Incentives and Recognition as opposed to punishment - Revice old incentives, improve, and actually make them work (War badges, Guardian score, Hall of Fame etc.) - Recognition - Little things make a big difference (Praise certain people in IA, Complements, #WG_lobby/#WG topic, etc.); Refer to Staff - Remaining positive. |
3 Strike system, I addressed that above but without having seen it I dunno exactly what it is

I am curious of what other incentives you think we could offer to improve activity? We already have a few systems in place such as the Guardianscore and MOTM (though that has lapsed recently). Since we can't really offer much else, what do you think WG can offer as a reward? I do NOT think the idea of ranks based on activity is a good idea at all.
Good stuff on re-looking at our current systems, it'd be nice when they work properly. I have not only attended 3/4 wars

Recognition is something that I would suggest you should be very careful with. It will be GREAT if its implemented equally between all WG members, however there is obviously going to be issues of bias or just purely that some people work really hard but because they did it quietly they might not get noticed, or even just because someone else is doing a bit more. Recognition works only if everyone gets recognised no matter how much/little they do, if you miss someone out they will get hurt.
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Lordy - AWST Randy - EST George - GMT Darf - CST Bto - EST Glenn - WST 1Col - AWST Groedius - GMT Saad - EST Darkzero101- EST |
Anyone wonder why I ran for council?
But seriously it is a bit sad at the moment that we have all our main warring leadership in EST-WST. Its even sadder that 6/10 staff are located in the US as well.
I hate to say it but it needs to be said that the council elections this time were a joke purely because WG needed one thing, but because most members are narrow minded they all voted for people they liked and not for the good of the clan. We got 2 GREAT council members, but frankly, the fact that we have 60% of our staff located in North america is a really big issue for me, and probably the rest of the clan.
The irony of it is, Eugene objected to 2 council because he didnt want too many staff, and now we HAVE to elect more because otherwise we will have no Australasian/European warring leadership.
By George on 12/05/2009
IRC activity can't be solved, because we haven't any aussie/nz staff apart from Gene (who is busy mid-week) and David.
The Abs plan was always up-to-date, he put a great deal of effort into it, and it worked, it was not ineffictive.
Evil, we don't mean PLANNED RAIDS as in.... like weekly set times. Just plan a few days in advance, get sign-ups going perhaps. To raise awareness.
The Recruitment Team was Randy's idea, and it involves all council members, I think some staff too, plus select other members.
A leader is needed for this, to pull it round and into new places.
I suggested that we make the separate rank "Recruitment Leader", this would be assigned to ONE person, that person would become a staff member, with lvl 3 access, but would not be a staff member from the beginning.
I don't think its "sad" that most of our leadership are US.
We have many more US members than we do aussies.
I can lead wars/raids when necessary and have done in the past. I am European. -.-
By Starzhine on 12/05/2009
Are we going to have a skilling sector?
Goals must be measurable, otherwise they are just wishes. How much of an improvement in attendance do you want?
If you want to encourage attendance with positive things than you can't punish for non-attendance.
I strongly recommend backing off on
dictating to the members how they should fight when we are going to war or raid. Recommending what a fighter should try to do is great. But please let the members, who show up, choose to fight with the style they feel they are best at. We have plenty of members who are skilled at swtiching between styles. We don't need everyone doing it. I think a lot more will show up, if they feel they have a chance at survival. And it won't sound like you want them bringing all their stuff so you can pick it up when they die.
And the TS, I know I speak for more than myself when I say, it is not fun to listen to our "Leaders" have fun, with talk and banter. You really make the rest of us feel like (pardon my language) SHIT! And you don't do yourselves any favors either. It can be disgusting to have to listen to. I know you know that you can have fun with out being disgusting. Not everyone thinks your body parts and what you do or do not want to do with them is funny.
Now on a more positive note: Congratulations to the new council members. I wish all of you good fortune. And am more than willing to help. Especially at any tasks that are behind the scenes. I actually like working on the forum.
Also if you give me at least a days notice, I can make everything except rune items. I am working on my smithing. But anything and everything else I can make. My cost to you is only the raw materials. And in some cases not even that.
WG
By George on 12/05/2009
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And the TS, I know I speak for more than myself when I say, it is not fun to listen to our "Leaders" have fun, with talk and banter. You really make the rest of us feel like (pardon my language) SHIT! And you don't do yourselves any favors either. It can be disgusting to have to listen to. I know you know that you can have fun with out being disgusting. Not everyone thinks your body parts and what you do or do not want to do with them is funny. |
Huh? Why do you pick on the leaders for this...? The members do it just as much, seeing as how we are all human.
I don't understand why you would pick on the leadership for this accusation....
Edit: Unless you mean when the channel is moderated? It has to be moderated for wars because otherwise people talk over the leader.... and leadership of the war falls apart.
By Back to Own on 12/05/2009
QUOTE (Starzhine @ May 12, 2009 01:02 pm) |
Are we going to have a skilling sector?
Goals must be measurable, otherwise they are just wishes. How much of an improvement in attendance do you want?
If you want to encourage attendance with positive things than you can't punish for non-attendance.
I strongly recommend backing off on dictating to the members how they should fight when we are going to war or raid. Recommending what a fighter should try to do is great. But please let the members, who show up, choose to fight with the style they feel they are best at. We have plenty of members who are skilled at swtiching between styles. We don't need everyone doing it. I think a lot more will show up, if they feel they have a chance at survival. And it won't sound like you want them bringing all their stuff so you can pick it up when they die.
And the TS, I know I speak for more than myself when I say, it is not fun to listen to our "Leaders" have fun, with talk and banter. You really make the rest of us feel like (pardon my language) SHIT! And you don't do yourselves any favors either. It can be disgusting to have to listen to. I know you know that you can have fun with out being disgusting. Not everyone thinks your body parts and what you do or do not want to do with them is funny.
Now on a more positive note: Congratulations to the new council members. I wish all of you good fortune. And am more than willing to help. Especially at any tasks that are behind the scenes. I actually like working on the forum.
Also if you give me at least a days notice, I can make everything except rune items. I am working on my smithing. But anything and everything else I can make. My cost to you is only the raw materials. And in some cases not even that.
WG |
We probably will not implement a skilling sector in the near future. We just dont have the people to begin splitting WG into sectors again.
As for styles, we try to emphasize binding and maging because its probably one of the most important roles. Without binds or ancients, we wouldnt get any kills. The hybriding hasnt been too much of a problem lately, but usually on P2P Raids, we'll only have around 3, with one of them usually being the fall-in leader

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For Raids, I will rarely moderate the teamspeak unless its a large raid. I have only moderated during raids when members are being obnoxious and deterimental to our organization during times when we need TS to communicate. However, for wars, I have to argue that its really important to keep the talking to the minimum. When we're trying to alert and use special tactics, it usually requires the audio channels being cleared.
Thanks for the input guys, keep them coming
By David on 13/05/2009
QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ May 12, 2009 07:11 pm) |
QUOTE | And the TS, I know I speak for more than myself when I say, it is not fun to listen to our "Leaders" have fun, with talk and banter. You really make the rest of us feel like (pardon my language) SHIT! And you don't do yourselves any favors either. It can be disgusting to have to listen to. I know you know that you can have fun with out being disgusting. Not everyone thinks your body parts and what you do or do not want to do with them is funny. |
Huh? Why do you pick on the leaders for this...? The members do it just as much, seeing as how we are all human. I don't understand why you would pick on the leadership for this accusation....
Edit: Unless you mean when the channel is moderated? It has to be moderated for wars because otherwise people talk over the leader.... and leadership of the war falls apart.
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I think what she's getting at is that the entirety of TS is a little bit relaxed, possibly too much. And when she refers to us, the leaders, it's not that we're constantly flaring up and stuff, but that when we do swear and talk about what we think people should do with their body parts it's disgusting.
Don't take everything that is criticism about the leadership as an attack.
By George on 13/05/2009
I didn't David.
I'm just saying leaders are indeed humans... members do this just as frequently as leaders do... because believe it or not we're all human
By JC on 13/05/2009
Okay, after talking to a council member today I have been asked to expand on this:
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think the greater issue is with IRC activity. I'm currently looking at IRC and it's been 4 hours since the last Leader (tertiary/Council) was online and this isnt something unusual at all. |
What I should have said along with that comment is that I feel WG needs to some form of added moderation alongside out current tertiaries. We often have large patches of time where we do not have and IRC OP or Half-OP active, today there was at least 5 hours where there was no active OP (Robbie *might* have been there).
I certainly think an Aussie based member needs this role, I'm not 100% sure whether a GMT members needs this as well. Though Robbiebot has been relaible recently it would probably be best for a rank like this to have a 'low access' operator such as 5 access (the lowest you can have to get op, but leaves you without +a).
I'm not 100% sure whether forum moderation should accompany the rank or whether it would be best to just have the rank as 'IRC Moderator', as either would do. It could always be helpful to have more mods on the forum to do tasks such as updating guardianscore (or is that council only? I was never sure) or updating attendance. More hands make light work.
Its not only me that thinks this either

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I see it as important to have someone in the red all the time in IRC. It just is more motivating for a lot of people to go to events. Make it a trial or temporary position. We need active leadership in IRC. Even if they are not council members. Create a new forum for them or give them access to lvl 3. |
By Starzhine on 13/05/2009
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ May 13, 2009 01:27 am) |
QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ May 12, 2009 07:11 pm) | QUOTE | And the TS, I know I speak for more than myself when I say, it is not fun to listen to our "Leaders" have fun, with talk and banter. You really make the rest of us feel like (pardon my language) SHIT! And you don't do yourselves any favors either. It can be disgusting to have to listen to. I know you know that you can have fun with out being disgusting. Not everyone thinks your body parts and what you do or do not want to do with them is funny. |
Huh? Why do you pick on the leaders for this...? The members do it just as much, seeing as how we are all human. I don't understand why you would pick on the leadership for this accusation....
Edit: Unless you mean when the channel is moderated? It has to be moderated for wars because otherwise people talk over the leader.... and leadership of the war falls apart.
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I think what she's getting at is that the entirety of TS is a little bit relaxed, possibly too much. And when she refers to us, the leaders, it's not that we're constantly flaring up and stuff, but that when we do swear and talk about what we think people should do with their body parts it's disgusting.
Don't take everything that is criticism about the leadership as an attack.
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David has it soooo right. It was not meant as an attack, just an observation. Remember I am not seeing who is saying what, just that it is said. So us = all WG.
You know I think the world of you George. You are working so hard and you are a good person. Trust that.
WG
By Starzhine on 13/05/2009
I don't like the irc because:
1) I use the RS client to play in and have SK open frequently make me lag.
2) With all the aliases in use, I never know who is who. (I wish we could just use a recognizable part of our RS name with our real name, i.e. Starz|Kristy or when the ops need it Gorge|Sleeping. These are useful and informative.) The way it is now, if someone wants to misbehave they change their name to something weird and have a go at it.
3) And yes, I have not been in the irc much, as per reason 1 and 2.
Again you know I love each and everyone of you. This is not an attack, just a narrative of what I see and hear, when I am in the room.
And Evil is right, usually when I am online there are no ops in the irc.
WG
By David on 13/05/2009
Technically having part of your RSN, or something that is recognizable to the person is a rule for the IRC? I remember reading that somewhere, maybe we can just enforce that more?
I try to be in the IRC as often as I can as well, since I'm really the only person in the Aussie timezone.
By rachellove9 on 14/05/2009
Starz,
There is a rule about the nicknames in IRC. However, there is also a way to check who they are registered as well. It is in the same little box where you huggle and smack with the fish. This might be helpful to you.
JC
That was my quote and I think you and Zemus would be good for those type op position. I hope it is just appointed as needed. I can see why forum moderation might be useful to these people as well. If there is a real issue on the forum I usually pm council. They can then move or edit it.
Gene really needs his rl time right now and we can all help out. I'll keep a watch out with new members so they have friends in the clan. Just them feeling welcomed and like they fit in will keep our intros with WG.
By Back to Own on 17/05/2009
Alright so we got our input. Now we need to act.
Things I think we need to implement immediately:
- Bring back the "Abs" plan; seriously, staff needs to step up. We shouldn't even need to do this.
How are we going to do this? Who is going to make the order of the week?
- Adding George's 3 strike system for raids to increase raid activity
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=10490How are we going to monitor activity?
By Kyle on 17/05/2009
Monitoring activity-
Checking attendances of events and seeing the people who aren't going. If they are IRC active-They're skipping and stuffs.
By DZ on 17/05/2009
Can I be the strict S.O.B?
If we can get an actually system of what people can get punished for and how badly they can get punished I'll gladly spearhead that. I'm all about punishment and discipline.
By Indivi2you on 17/05/2009
QUOTE (Darkzero101 @ May 17, 2009 12:53 pm) |
Can I be the strict S.O.B?
If we can get an actually system of what people can get punished for and how badly they can get punished I'll gladly spearhead that. I'm all about punishment and discipline. |
Yeah, can i be strict S.o.B. #2?
By George on 17/05/2009
S.O.B?
By Back to Own on 18/05/2009
FOCUS.
By Kyle on 18/05/2009
So when do we start implementing it?
By David on 18/05/2009
I think that all of us should be the "S.O.B". I think we should all be looking out for things that are punishable. What we will need though are guidelines, like what DZ said.
I wasn't really around for the "Abs" plan, but from what I understand it's basically a weekly schedule for the Council/Tertiaries?
I think if we get the members in shape, then everything will sort of fall into place. With an active memberbase, Event Leaders will start hosting more events because people will actually come. Likewise with Raid Leaders. A huge part of why we're not "pulling our weight" is because we know the turnout will be crap.
By DZ on 18/05/2009
QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ May 17, 2009 09:03 pm) |
S.O.B? |
Son of a Bitch
QUOTE (Back to Own @ May 18, 2009 12:14 am ) |
FOCUS. |
If that was directed at me I was being serious with my post
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