Will You Believe Me Now?

We've had a 2 month trial, in which time our recruitment has halved.
We can't be certain it was the requirements that did it.
But I personally believe it is mostly the requirements.
I. TOLD. YOU. SO

And you didn't believe me.
So here we are.
Thanks to the clan not trusting my judgment, our recruitment has fallen flat on its face.
Since we are in a critical state, I feel it is my RESPONSIBILITY as the leader to advise a lowering of the requirements immediately.

Right here:
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=9864
34/93 opposed the changed.
59/93 wanted the raise.

I always agreed that it was bad.

Guess we were right

Change back please.

i voted to get it down to 100+ i think ur right

I voted to keep it as is.
Pros

• Higher reqs are more appealing to higher level'd people looking for clans (Eg 2 clans post on a thread, a 100+ and a 105+, they will most likely lean towards the 105+)

• Higher levels in general in WG, most levels lower than 105 probably will get koed/not do much with their stats in wars and raids.

Cons
- Restricts the amount of people able to join by 5 levels. This really isn't alot, and training from 100-105 shouldn't really be a problem especially if they're dedicated/really want to join.

:?

I still maybe having 100+ FA might work out, or be worth a try anyways.

The lack of people isn't due to the reqs at all, we had a fuc load of intro's as you saw, if we got every one of those people to apply, we'd be up to like 70 people on the ML now. If we keep up the recruitment efforts, we will gain people. Trust me, it's not the reqs.

Well I voted yes- take the reqs back down to 100....
However I pose a question: Did we actually have many applicants who were between the combat levels of 100 and 105?

Lordy I'd just like to know, why do you want the lower reqs? (aside from your belief that it brings us more recruits)

I'm just wondering

I never wanted the requirements to be 105, however, I believe it does give us better combat levels in WG. In order to give to both sides, why don't we make it 100 or 102 for trial, and then make it 102 or 105 for graduation. This will give us the sense of having the higher combat levels, and it should allow people to get into the WG environment faster so that they know what WG is like instead of having to sit outside in the lobby the whole time.

We want those that want to be in WG to be in as much as they can, so that they can see what WG is like. If you force them to wait for 5 combat levels, then they will have time to look at other clans and to look for a clan that will accept them at their level.

Hell... if you don't think that the trial can get 2 or 3 levels within their trial, then give them 4 weeks for the events and to show activity and give them 2 extra weeks to get the combat levels.

Just trying to throw some ideas out there....

I say change it back. The clan never improved when we raised the requirment..

Didn't want that change in the first place, maybe now people will see how requirement raises have NEVER gone well in WG.

i have been always for 100+ req....
i hate 105+... it also delayed me joining WG for like 3 months

I never wanted to change so I get to say I told you so also.

I honestly think the recruitment team is the problem, not the reqs. When we first changed the reqs, we had like 2 intros a day. Which leads to the other problem, getting Intro's to apply.

I'm still in favor of a triumvirate clan structure between skillers, and two groups for lower- and higher-level fighters. WG keeps trying to do too many things at once; we need to strategize it to make it work properly.

And to reiterate:

History repeats.

All the old members said keep it at 100. Listen to us k?

That being said, didn't we just go through the "Emeritus-aren't-active-so-they-have-nothing-to-contribute-to-current-clan-situations" phase? Oh the irony.

I get to say "I told you so also"....(high 5s Joe) and my argument against needing higher lvls for defense still stands since I am 99 defense and a lousy tanker.

Go back to the Intro's forum and look at the first two pages. Look at how many intro's we got when we had 105+ reqs. Why is this? It's because our recruitment team (mostly moose) were recruiting their asses off and doing what they were supposed to do. Since it seems we have slacked off a bit and haven't organized the recruitment team very well, and now we're seeing the consequences with that. We were also not trying hard enough to get intro's to apply, thus they never did and forgot about WG.

So I think reqs have absoultely nothing to do with us not getting more mmembers, we just have to recruit better, work on winning fights, and improving our community. Then we can bring ourselves out of this slump.

Eugene i would NEVER normally use this word with you, but are you STUPID?

Honestly either you ARE or you are using this just to get your own way.

its not the FUCKING REQ'S ITS THE FACT THAT OUR CLAN IS INACTIVE AND THAT WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO JOIN A INACTIVE CLAN THAT GETS RAPED EVERYTIME IT GOES HIGH LVL WILD AND IS FORCED TO PK LVL 30 AND BELOW.

Sorry for the caps but until The council/Eugene and the RANKED members wake up and smell the shit that's bussing around here then we will never improve. Blaming req's will not make this clan good again lol, and if you think it will it's pure bullshit your speaking/thinking.

We don't need sectors again. It seperates the clan. What exactly do we benefit from by splitting the clan into skilling / community / fighting ? It will play out just as it did last time:

- fighting cliques
- skilling cliques
- skilling sector complaining constantly because they don't get enough respect
- fighting sector harassing skilling sector.
- the community sector turning into a bunch of people just lurking the forums and irc
- constant bitterness between sectors.

IT. DOESN'T. WORK.

inb4AWMIGAWD

I am a strong supporter of keeping the requirements as they are. Why?

Your typical "level 100" is a kid that's never warred before. Most likely, they were forced to intro from a friend in WG or they think the idea of a clan is cool. They go through the steps to get TG. Now they are in WG. Maybe with some help they'll get Teamspeak. Most likely they won't bind because "its too difficult." If they do happen to, they'll most likely get koed over and over, not that it matters because most get koed in rune anyways.

A lot of these freshbloods are still "runescape fans," meaning that their primary goal is to level and progress from the standpoint of runescape. They want level X or want to have X gps. Of course it is a generalization, but more times than not it is true and you know it. They won't return, they'll get koed, they're shitty statistically, their primary focus isn't on a clan, but on the game, they're poor, and they are just prey for higher clans.

We raid low wildy. With 105's, we already have enough problems. Even up to like level 110's we have problems with everyone being able to attack. 5 levels lower and we're going to have even MORE inflated options. Our options are already "fake" enough.

Lordy, lowering the requirements is a desperate ploy to get more people in the clan. Of course recruitment will help the clan, but maybe recruitment isn't our issue right now. We ourselves have enough internal issues. We are inactive and there is no "flare" to help us out. With a week prep, maybe 60% of the clan will read the topic. Of that 60%, most won't make anything of it, meaning they won't even remember that war is upcoming after an hour. No one cares to sign up because they aren't willing to commit to anything in this clan. Ever wonder why we pull 20 man raids? Its because everyone is too chickenshit ti step up and pull their fucking weight in the clan. If you're telling me that 10-15 people are gone, its bullshit. They didn't do their part to prepare. Every clan can pull 60%+ EASILY. We struggle to pull 33%. Its am embarrassment.

Lets get active and have a flare before we mass recruit.

^ That.




Brandon

Quality > Quantity.

I have to go to sunday school, ill post more insight when i get time to go on the comp.

I think that the option where FA would be 100+ and FM 105+ is the best option.

I really agree with Glenn. I think raising the requirements isn't what did this to us, but that we did this to ourselves. We were in a situation like this prior to the raise, and yes, we've only gotten worse. The problem isn't that we're not getting new people, but that the one's we've got now aren't doing anything.

It's gotten to the point where if we pull 10 to any event, we're pleased. 10 people? Please.

It's like slowly but surely, all the organs of this clan are being taken out, and we're becoming more and more weak. It's like we don't have the energy to do anything. I think it's because we've gotten used to the leniency of the clan. We tout things as "important" and "mandatory" but then when people don't follow, nothing happens.

It's sick.

@Chimp

How is this the fault of the recruitment team? Just curious because I can't make that link at all.

Personally Chimp, you are changing your mind on the problems like I change my clothes. Once you find someone with a strong opinion, you change it and agree with them. One minute you are blaming the requirements and the recruitment team, the next you are blaming the members. Nothing against you, but it just really annoys me when people do that. Hell I have noticed myself doing that sometimes.

For crying out loud, forget right or wrong. . . that is past, look forward. Simply say "Ok, that did not work as we had hoped and reduce the combat req!"

Fini

Voted, there is the possibility that recruitment is down because of the change in the people playing RS.

I hear a lot of people who say they want to join WG, but can't because of the lvl req. Many of them are only one or two lvls away from 100. When you add more levels on top of that 100 mark, that not only reduces the chance the person will continue to pursue WG upon reaching (+)100, but also leaves their slot empty longer... when we need them here the most.
Lvl Req should not be raised unless the clan is flourishing considerably, in my opinion.

This is something the clan may go back and forth about, but we all can agree we want more activity. In my opinion, if the lvl 100 is not losing their pixel stuff will be more active just because they want to play rs.

We have had an old schooler hanging in our lobby now for about 2 weeks. He was lvl 95 I believe and now I think lvl 100. He wants to come back to WG but can't yet. Will he train to lvl 105 to get back in?? I'm encouraging him and ask him about how it is going when I see him. He would have war experience. He is the reason I voted to lower the requirements. I have never been for the requirements getting raised in the first place.

I do agree with Glenn about the difference it will make in the raids. In CWA, the lower requirements will change the clans that we can war against and do well at. Unfortunately, you have to make a decision whether it is best to have more members or be ranked at wars. Remember just because we have more members doesn't mean they will attend that many more events. Some coming in may only like a certain thing and only attend that.

Someone said about cliques, I personally still prefer skilling and don't think I am in any kind of clique. lol Start being friendly and including people. What I absolutely hate the most is seeing someone getting torn to pieces for a simple mistake or some lame disagreement. Let's just work on changing "our social skills" so that we really are the best community we can be.

the fact is the trial for 105+ failed up to now. dosen't matter how it started it just didn't end well. i say we let the 100+ take this victory, shove off some dirt. and try again in the near future.

who knows, we might get 100+ who believe in 105+ and that way we'll our chances of success will be raised

i voted 105+ plus raise. my views are always go higher than u can. if u fail, get up try again

for all those that believe in 105+ as much as i do, you guys have vision, this is the time to hold onto it dear, treasure it. and smite all those that oppose it

p.s. smite in a respectful way, don't go around flaming people

I don't think we're in the position to be choosing what we let in. We've got the ability to weed out people during the application process, and that is where we determine what is good for the clan. We can't bicker over a measly five combat levels because they honestly don't mean that much. Sure, it's higher and it means they've got more combat experience (theoretically) but then I know a friend (in real life) who is 110+ and can't do PvP for his life. We'd let him in because he's a higher level, but hasn't got the slightest clue as to what he is doing.

I mean, I'm 120 and am not the greatest tank (inb4 event leaders can't tank). I know what to do, but just can't seem to put it all together fast enough and that just comes with practice. We let in people at 100 combat, they get more practice and then we also build a relationship with that person. They learn to love WG as they grow in combat and get more experienced. We'd end up breeding a generation of WG that knows what to do.

I think lowering the requirements will only do us good. We can and should be a little more careful admitting people, but let more people apply. Let's give more people a chance.

I think that the requiremint level for wg should be level 100 free to play combat.
But mabie if we did this.like you can be 100 combat free to play when you become a member but you have a certin amount of time to get to level 105 combat or higher ot stay in the clan.Because at wars and fighting events the level 100 members are going to get picked out first because they are green for most oather members and its an easy kill.

OLD

In Ray's defense, he didn't necro this. Someone else voted on it earlier today.

*growls*