On the subject of the requirements.

By David on 18/05/2009

Here is something I've suggested before.

Given Gene's recent topic about the requirements going back to 100+ I feel this might be a good time to repeat this idea.

We create a training regiment for our newcomers, and even for our current members. It'd have to be reasonable and not to time consuming so members can do what they want with their time, and not do what we want of them 100% of the time.

So, we have requirements at 100. We encourage people to get 105 by the time they post their graduation, but don't require it. But we state that getting it greatly increases a person's chances of getting full member. In order to implement this part, we'd have to be more selective with our graduations. As it is, most people graduate their first try...

Anyway, if someone does get full member and is 105 we say they have a requirement of 1 combat level a week (or two weeks if one week is not enough time). We could keep that system until people are 115 or whatever is adequate.

Obviously we don't want to be forcing people to train 100% of the time, but getting to 115 isn't that difficult.

Opinions? Tweaks?

By DZ on 18/05/2009

I like your point about the 'getting 105 greatly increases your chance of being accepted'. If we emphasize how much 'greater' their chance of being accepted as a full member is I'm sure they'll train.

I think a combat level every week or so is a good idea too, but how would we go about enforcing it?

By His Lordship on 18/05/2009

Yes, some very notable points.
Graduation potential sounds great actually.
I'm all for it.

By David on 18/05/2009

QUOTE (Darkzero101 @ May 18, 2009 05:30 pm)

We could just set aside a day (Sunday, Monday?) and have that be the start of the "WG week".

So let's say my first week as a full member I am level 105. It's Monday, May 1st 2009. Then on Monday, May 8th 2009, I should be level 106.

It would take an incredible amount of work to do, no doubt. Managing all the people -115 and then making sure they all meet their requirement. It would take a lot of effort. But I think it's worth it. We could all divide it up, so each of us takes care of maybe 7-8 members.

Enforcing it would have to be strict. Maybe something similar to the three strike system. You miss one week, you're warned. The second week (you're supposed to make up for the first, and also complete the second) you get a suspension. Third week you're kicked.

Also, like I said, if we implement the "greater chance at full member acceptance, we'd have to show that we're not letting in every level 100 that applies. We need to set a new standard of member. Not just some person who slaps together a post.

I mean I stalk DF forums sometimes, and they're always telling new applicants that adding color helps their chances. It's about appearances because making things look better means more effort was put in. I'd rather take a 100 who is putting fort the effort to stand out than the 105 that just slaps together some sentences that qualifies as an "application".

By DZ on 18/05/2009

Yeah sounds good, especially if we divide it up between all of us.

Couldn't agree more with your other point about applications, I can't stand shitty applications and how they always get accepted anyway just because it's a completed form.

By Indivi2you on 18/05/2009

I implemented this idea for intro -> trail guard a while back, but it makes more sense like this.

Good idea, im up for it.

By Back to Own on 18/05/2009

Sounds like a good idea, but we really dont have the luxury of declining at the time. We need all the help we can get.

By George on 18/05/2009

QUOTE (Back to Own @ May 18, 2009 09:22 pm)

Sounds like a good idea, but we really dont have the luxury of declining at the time. We need all the help we can get.

Bto and I share the same opinons on a lot of things, this thing included.
Can we really afford to be picky with our applications at the moment?
I think we should hold off on this until we get to say... 70/80 members again...

David, perhaps think about it properly and come up with a way that this can be easily implemented. Think about the training scheme etc.
(Obviously combat skill of the week will be great for this)

~George

By David on 18/05/2009

BTO, I'm not saying we should be picky, but that we should just put a little more emphasis on quality than quantity. I'm saying we should have slightly higher standards. Not DF quality standards, but like DZ said, more than just filling out a form.

Implementing this would be simple: we just be slightly more selective. Not just accept everyone that submits an application, but really take a look. Is everything mangled? Does it look like they just wrote some stuff up to fill up space?

The training regiment would be a little more complex. I think DZ/BTO/Glenn would be better at coming up with figures for that because they're the PvP guys.

I would say 1 combat level a week until the member is level 115. That gives each member 10 weeks of consistent training and then they're "free" but by that time we'd hope they'd developed some affection towards combat. If not, well, at least they're 115.

I mean, that seems pretty reasonable to me. Sure, that means people have a little less time to do their own thing, but shouldn't the clan fit in somewhere too?

By Indivi2you on 19/05/2009

The thing with the combat schemes is when they take place, it is like the #1 priority of the clan. All other things stop short in thought of training combat. I really hate that about it.

By George on 19/05/2009

That's because no offence.. but a lot of the staff are inactive, so all the work goes on to 2-3 individuals who can't cope with everything....

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