How Strict

At the very first 'TS Suggestion Night', it was said that you, the clan, wanted us to be more strict in wars.

How strict would you like us to be?

Use our own discretion?
Give warning levels for doing things like: starting your own piles, not being on the main pile, sniping without permission, not falling in, running off, giving your own instructions, etc. etc.
Hand out suspensions for doing the above things?
Issue warning levels for flamming on RSC?
Give x number of day / week suspensions for being a constant rule breaker in wars?


Give us some feedback. This is coming off a suggestion night from you (the clan) so I want to know what you had in mind when it was suggested.

I think the best way is trial and error.
If you die watch the war and then monitor members who aren't doing the right thing.

In terms of before the war, enforce silence. If people are talking beforehand, just talk to them afterward telling them about the dangers of pre-war chatter.
There's not need to be so harsh. We're a family, not a dictatorship.

well, we arnt perfect, so we all make mistakes, if you ARE a constant rule breaker:
you either are unexperienced, or just plain stupid, so check it out first, every situation is different
so deal with every situation differently..

This was one of the greatest grey areas back in the wilderness days. You had people like snowzak who'd lash anyone who breathed, and kenshln who didn't give a crap. Both ways under the different leaders worked well, so it was hard to define how much freedom people should have.

I always stayed somewhere around the middle and it worked well. On a raid (or clan wars, whatever), you want people to be ready and alert to jump on oppertunities, but there again, its a game not cadet training - you want people to be having fun at the same time.

If someone wondered from the rules (starting own piles, running off etc) I'd talk to them first. Persuade them that group effort always works best and ask them to co-operate. If they did it again (knowingly), start handing out the warnings (but ALWAYS give them a voice unless they start to get out of hand).

Flaming on RSC should not be tolerated. WG should be a respectful clan. You have no idea how immature it can sound to people not involved in the 'flame wars'. Their opinion on the participitating clans drops significantly.

The most honourable fighters are the ones who treat the enemy the same in face of a win and a lose.

Issue warning levels to rules broken during the war as well as rules broken post-war. Have them both go towards the same punishment that was in oder to stay out of trouble, you must be good pretty much all the time.

Have a tier or punishments, possibly in a range like this:

Level 1 - 1-3: corresponding punishment
Level 2 - 4-7: corresponding punishment
Level 3 - 8-10: corresponding punishment

I guess it could work like this:

Member A beaks rules consistently and eventually earns himself a Level 3 punishment. Upon receiving that punishment, he's given a black mark and has his total warning points reduced to zero. If he is able to earn himself a second Level 3 punishment he is immediately evicted from the clan. He is prohibited from re-applying and could possibly be subject to higher requirements in order to re-join.

Pretty harsh, but if people want to stay in, these are some pretty simple rules to follow.

I dont think that anyone wants wg to lose. I dont really think people should be punished for things like that. They'll learn through experience.

It's all a learning experience. As said before, they are here for FUN. We can't treat them like lifeless beings and just demote them every time something happens. I say we talk to any violator on a personal level. (One on one friendly discussion) Tell them they are doing something wrong that cannot be allowed to continue. Falling off the main pile in between kills is easy, but as you become experienced you become much better at it.
Sniping is a privelage. It cannot just be done by anyone who feels like it. You should only be sniping if told so. If you continue to do it, and are specifically told not to do it, it must be stopped, somehow.
Warning levels should not be given unless they refuse to comply. Warning levels should be saved for misconduct. (Flaming, scamming, etc.)

i wanna get better, i cant stand losing. id be willing to accept any punishment if it helps me improve

I wouldn't say warning for creating your own pile, disobaying direct orders yes, but if theres no orders and your attacking somebody i wouldn't say a warning.

Also i would say give everyone voice rights in TS cos its horrible being muted when people are talking to you... For example today "M Jaxx" was spammed and i heard lots of unlucky Jaxx's, but it was a dummy call and somebody else was KO'd. If i had voice i could of warned that.

Lol, I hope we do not give out warnings for not being on the main pile or sniping or I might get a few warnings. Half the time it is because I am too far away from the main pile and out of energy, or I cannot find the pile. I figure in that case sniping is better than doing nothing. About the other half of the time it is because I see an opportunity to snipe: I might see someone else sniping and help out to get the target to start praying, or I might see a hybrid who is doing some really good binding in which case by attacking that hybrid I might be able to make our tanker last longer.

Then there is the scenario where it is the end of the fight where it is clear we have won, and so I want us to win by the largest margin possible. Say the fight is 15 vs. 5. If we have 14 people on one person, they still have 4 people to pile with and possibly kill one of us. Instead, we could prevent any of us from getting killed by splitting our piles up (In this case 5 smaller piles with 3 people each). The leaders might say stay on one pile, but I am going to go attack another person to prevent a needless death from our side.

Acting like drones is not always the best strategy for winning a war.

Flaming is another story. It only takes a few members to make us look bad as a clan, and if you flame there should be definite consequences.

Sean is of course exaggerating - we wouldn't and can't physically give warnings to those who don't perform the way we'd like in wars. We aren't able to punish you for the simple reason that we don't know the case to case conditions - and that's why it's a personal effort to do what is asked, for each of us.

It's best for everybody to focus on what they're doing and listening to what has been said and repeated (i.e. not wandering off to pile an uncalled person etc...).

We know there's room for mistakes and error, and most of the time we manage to limit the damage, but when we start fighting harder clans, they won't be gentle.
WG needs to get a sense of discipline if we want the machine to work, every cog and every screw that we are should try to turn with one movement.

Of course it's something that comes with time, but it's true we'd like a bit more of an effort towards concentration in wars - we're improving, so let's stay on the right track.

It may come from rushing, it may come from inexperience, or simply forgetfullness. For all three cases, that is solved by preparation before the war (don't hesitate to ask an official or to read a guide, and then over a day or two, go over what you should do in such or such case), and by constant concentration (CONSTANT VIGILANCE!) during the fight, associated with keeping cool - a leader will always instruct you on what to do within ten seconds, MAX.

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Some of those things are far to petty to be giving people strikes or anything of the sort for. For things like calling their own piles we can just have a talk with them and tell them that fall in's and piles will be taken care of by leaders and raid leaders.

Flaming on rsc should not be tolerated one bit. All flaming does on rsc is give the clan a bad image. Also they blow things way out of proportion there so if they see one WG member flaming then they think we are all flamers!

Just listen to the leaders

I think a strike system would be great, but strikes could be counted at wars and in irc for flaming or not attending manditory events. It could be a system where it resets every month and if you get 4 strikes in a single month then you could be banned from events for two weeks or something like that. I know in the war I was getting annoyed with Pigaz when he was running everywhere he felt like going and not having a clue with what was going on. Even in full outs when we are going to win we should practice so that in case we have a matched opts war we can be the best possible.

I think most poor behaviour in the wilderness (the part you can fight in, obviously) should be handled by individually talking to the person. Try to be understanding if its their first time, and help them to understand what they did wrong, and what they should do next time.

If theres someone thats really, really stupid, and people constantly break it, then its possible to give our a warn level. Use your own discretion though. You were chosen as raid leaders, so you trust yourself.

For flaming on RSC though, I think its horrible. Usually, a leader says "Do not flame (clan)", but if someone does it anyway, and continually does it, it should be punished by a warn level. If its the first time, then just talk to them though. if people see us flaming on RSC a ton, we'll loose even more of our respect.

Of course, these are just my thoughts. Seeing as I'm emeritus and rarely fight anymore, they may not be exactly what most people think.