5 mil of gear when applying?

I don't really care how other clans are coming along. When I hear that WG's memberbase are weak at the moment, I try to find some ways to solve the problem. And my first suggestion would be to take away some of the requirements.

Colin and Chip also mention that half of the gear isn't required. it just doesn't make sense to me.

I do understand why people don't have the money. If you're used to have 500k laying around in the bank and you suddenly are asked to make 4,5 mil in order to join a clan, you'd rather spend the 5 mil on something benefitial for yourself rather than "wasting" half of them on something you might never use..

.. and if the memberbase is weak at the moment, you'll have 5 mill of equipment that you probably will lose because the clan doesn't have the required ammount of opts to win fights.

- Dallar

There's the main list of items to get, and then there's the mage gear, OR the range gear. You have an option to get either one. :\

I myself Like to have both range and mage gear to switch between styles depending on the fights

That's very much down to opinion though. No arguing, there will be disagreements. Still, one month to get it is fairly reasonable. After all, if you're joining WG you have to have the dedication.

I know. I just quoted your post disagreeing and then contradicted myself. Fuck.

Like kero said. 5 Mil, is nothing. You can EP and make cash every time. Everytime you raid. Only raid leaders can 'sometimes' make a loss, returning alot. But when I lead, I still make a profit 3/4 of time with EP gained on the raid.

If you think 5mil in gear is alot. Join a powerhouse like, VR or EoS. Lose 2mil of gear in a f2p PKRI. Then try and make the cash in f2p. Jut try it. I did, for 1 month. Ruined my bank. I've since made most of it back. All my cash is in raid gear. Simple.

If you can PK Although I suppose loot on WG raids is epic anyway

I wish every post in this topic didn't start with that

Good argument

I know 5 mil's not a big deal but the whole point with it is to help more future members joining. I ain't ranting because I know the items will be easy to get. I'm just saying that the high requirement of gear MIGHT frighten more applicants away than it will make them join if you know what I mean. If WG has a week memberbase, you should only consider this a suggestion to how we could make more people join. Nothing else. I ain't complaining. Just to let you know.

I'm also not saying that they shouldn't get those items. But as someone said earlier which I wasn't aware of, it's nice having events that help them getting the gear. I thought at first that you were left on your own when getting these items which would be a killer.

I ain't saying the regulations should be permanent. Just until there is enough members to pull reasonable opts at fighting events. If people keep dying in fights, it kinda cuts away some of the quality of being prepared. But I get the picture from Colonel.. It was a great post

I really think guests need to be very careful making statements like these because you really can't see what is happening within WG from the outside. I actually think WG is the strongest it has been for a long time, and we are doing extremely well with our current p2p focus.

Yeah I know, I'm sorry. I just acted on what other people wrote.. :S

Yes, a high gear requirement might frighten some people away. If that is the case, do you want that person? Think of when you apply for a job, even a job that is just starting up is going to need trained professionals. If you're starting up a business, are you going to ask that applicants have degrees in business management and have had some experience before, or just say "Hey, if you think you can do it and maybe know some economics, you've got yourself a job!"

If people walk away saying "Damn, a degree in business management, I don't want to go through that," then you really don't want them in charge of your business. The same deal here. If they see that gear list and think "Holy shit," then they're not suited for us. We're not a joke, and we want dedicated members.

If 5M is enough to scare someone off, then there are lesser known clans out there that will take all applicants.

Also, like Evil said, the current state of WG is the best it has been in months. We've got morale and that is transferring into our P2P abilities. We've got talented leaders that inspire our members to attend.

In all honesty, our memberbase is anything but weak right now.

I just heard some people mentioning the current state weren't positive. I responded by making a suggestion to loosen up the problem. Of course I vote for better and more loyal people and I get your point

Maybe I was too fast when I posted this topic. I know I am not in the position to speak for WG's condition.. I basically thought my suggestion based on something I read about the condition, maybe could help you guys. Nothing else.

But it was a great debate and I'd like to thank you guys for your inputs. You taught me a little lesson in clanning. It's good to be freshen up

... You know I wanted to write up a response to this but I think after 4 years of knowing you I can finally accept that fact that I will never be able to change your opinion on this. xD

Besides, in recent times you're probably right.

*Insert long rant about how everything was better 2-3 years ago*

Darf is the reason we can never have anything good.

Hey, some truth in this topic finally

Just because the person doesn't have a rich RS character doesn't mean they wouldn't be a valuable asset to the clan though.

Although I see your point.

Well the reqs are just a guideline to ensure you have the basic supplies for survival... the more experience people can make up their own/better combinations in the field I guess.

I'm glad the 20 RoL req is gone. Everything else there seems reasonable to me... although would rune gauntlets be a suitable replacement for rune gloves?

Yeah. And you have to do like the hardest quest in RS to get them.

Isnt Cook's Assistant hard at your Combat level?

To be honest, Cook's Assistant has a slight increased difficulty for VERY new players because for some reason you can't milk cows in the first week of RS.

Don't ask me why, I dunno.

Nothing in rs is hard what are you talking about, psh.

Except Joe when raiding with RoT

Never said that a poorer person wouldn't be an asset.

What I did say was that a person who took a look at our gear requirements and thought "Um, I'm not sure about all that..." is not an asset.

What if they were F2P?

Then a large part of the required gear would be taken away. Things like Super Restore Potions and Prayer Potions which cost LOADS of money wouldn't be applied obviously.

All the F2P players would be responsible for is making sure they've got the Rune to raid with, the range gear to use, food, capes and Strength Potions.

Using PvP - not 76king, but no-arming friends and stuff to actually earn money is easy. My friend trains cooking in F2P then no-arms me he makes roughly 300k per 100% EP. Do that a few times a day, a few days a week and you'll have all the Rune you need just from drops, not even taking into account any Corrupt drops or artefacts you might get.

Yes, getting 5M is hard in F2P, I will not dispute that, but it can be done.

Why on earth would you waste money on a d pick or d full helm if it's not pocket change for you.... you are not a good money spender.


And 5m reallly isn't that much money if you wish to be in a pking clan. I suggest that
1)You get over this fact that you will not graduate if you are not willing to spend this money.
2)If you don't know how to range or mage...you fail at 'scaping. You will die faster then a event leader at a pkri if your not ranging or maging. It's just a must have. No amount of whining will get you out of it. Pleeeease refrain from asking this question again as that is all I have received from your posts so far.
3)I suggest you start formatting your replies so that it is easier to read.

I would "waste" money on a d pick and have already "waste"d money on d full helm because I like to show off these items and use them.

1)Ok
2)I will look into hybriding range and melee. And yes I agree I have been whiny in my posts so far. I will try to refrain from using this tone as much as I can in the future.
3)Ok I shall try

I have now examined the items required. I am aware that you have amonth to get them. I am also aware that you think all these items mean someone is prepared to get into a war at anytime. I don't believe the requirements should be kicked off completely. This is a suggestion please consider it.

I think it should not be specific as it is at the moment. The food should be just some sharks and prayer pots and some super sets. The rest just listed as reccomended.

The armour should be full rune, DDS should be required, the team capes required, the rest of the main section just be listed as reccomended. Unless theres some that you would like to include as must have items.

The range or mage gear is fine I think. However, the armour should say the best kind of d hide that you can wear for range. I think this goes for the rest too. I can't summon spirit terror bird, so why would I buy a bunch of the pouches? same with anyone who has low summoning.

Some of that gear like 200 red chins, and spirit bird pouches and the runes if your not a mage is not really "acceptable gear" Full rune, dds, d long/scimmy or some good wep, sharks(or sara brews if you want), super set, some prayer pots, some range/mage gear, is the standered gear is it not? Those would be required and are not welfare. Those other things are accesories that should not be neccesary.

This suggestion/ comment/reply is in my opinion way more thought out than my previous comment. I am sorry for my previous comment I was ignorent of the actual requirements at the time of me posting it . Thank you for taking into consideration my suggestion.

May your battles be victorious.
Redwaller66

If you don't want people to welfare, then put gear requirements for events instead of applications. On the application put up reccomendations instead - it doesn't hinder the in-flow of members or make WG look like welfarers to possible applicants.

If we did that we'd end up worse than we are now, with a shitload of members, who don't have the gear to attend events, and can't be bothered to get it, so just don't attend the events.

What more is to be said on the matter?

i wish i still had my partyhat

Good idea WG_Keanu, and yes there may be a "shitload of people" joining, but if u take away some of the extra stuff that could be taken away (from the must have list mentioned on my big post) then more of those people will get the stuff and participate in more of the fighting events. And the more the merrier right? I mean if these people went to just a fighting trip here and there with the required stuff, it would be good right? They still would fight.

Refrain from talking about that please.. as this post will go from 3-15 pages in 2 day + 3 other similar topics popping up.



Aight so here is one thing that I think you skipped over while reading the gear requirements.

You can have Either the mage set or the range set you are not required to have both. I personally only have range set because I am only 82 mage.


When we say have these items it's not because we think. "O what else can we put on the list, it's not quite up to 5m yet" it's the 5 years of experience that tells us that.
1)Shark + Brew heals more than just a shark alone
2)Having only full rune and going to a raid in full rune will drop you like an event leader.
3)Dhide protects from magic, and is resonably acceptable defence.
4)Red chinchompa's. You need a multi target. You obviously wont be barraging anyone any time soon. So you need these. Say you have 50 people running at you in a tight group, you gunna pick them off one by one before they get to you. Or are you going to whip out your multi style (chins) and hit 9 of them at once (times however many other people are raiding with you). And voila. You have a drop pile.
5)Get 52 summoning. Enough said.



Shall I go through the whole list?
I won't but here are some important ones that you might think unnecessary.
Taken from here

#4 Anchovy Pizza. - Ever tried to eat out of a pile when using swordfish? It doesn't happen. These heal you very quickly if you can spam eat.
#6 Leather Boots. - F2P wars/raids gotta wear someting on your feet. This is your best option.
#8 Sara Brews. - Already explained
#9 Super restores. - Counter the previously mentioned.
#10 Prayer Potions. - ..... duh
#14 Red Chinchompas. - Already explained
#18 Dragon Spear. - Spec is highly usefull in piles. You'll learn
#20 Games Necklace. - You life line and wilderness teleportation device. Enough said.


That is all.

"Dedication" shouldn't be judged by how much money you can make and how fast. Having alot of money is NOT dedication, nor is the ability to buy gear. 5mil IS alot for some people. Everyone keeps sayin things like "chump change", and "i' easy in this day and age". Well, I jus plainly disagree. I don't find making 5mil easy, and 5mil is NOT worth it when you get cut from wars and can't attend any raids because of the fac that NO ONE IS HERE TO LEAD THEM. (Aussie is an exception).

Of course, after all this, dying on a raid, or in a war. You lose yor rune. Who cares? it's only 200k? Well...that's 200k extra that I have to spend because i died, let's say WATCHING a war i was kicked out of.

5 mil is too high to be a requirement. I understand that members need to be prepared, but 5mil is simply too seep for some people.

I don't 76k.
I don't Merch.
I don't barrows.
I don't GWD.

Nor will I, GWD excepted.

I'm beginning to see a totally different side of WG since I applied. It's not the same I was a clan firend of back in the day.

I don't do any of that stuff either. It takes me longer to make the gp, but still 5 mil can be made in less than a month. I do agree that losing 200k watching would totally stink.

Try to understand the other side of this. When it was all going into effect, we got 1 month to show that we got up to this gear and they do random checks on us too. It wasn't like all of us had an easy time getting it either. I'm not one to even go to ge shopping unless I really need something.

I totally did not support this gear list when it was first brought up. However, I do try to follow the rules they set up. Usually, I find they end up being for our own good.

Rachy

This is a warring clan. Of course we are friendly and nice people, but these are the facts. We do war even though we are in a transition of raid leaders. We do have a long extensive history of being a warring clan.

Look please don't start painting a picture of a "different" dark side of WG. This came with the terrain.

This isn't to say we won't help you. Please please pm me to help you get more money. I suggest attending my 76king event, it isn't as bad. It is a clan event. I know you said you don't like 76king, but try to open your mind a bit to easier solutions. 76king is the quickest route to that 5m of gear.

Don't have the combat levels for it, I've asked players that are experienced with these, and was old "probably not :/".

I'm working on combat, though.