Hmm...

Ok, I posted this here, so we can actually have a sensible discussion about this, instead of in rants, where im going to get loads of annoying replies like 'no u'.

Today, one of the more senior members of the clan, had to convince an app, not to withdraw his app. Because they have been waiting nearly 2 days. I know its not like a super fun job...but cmon, we got 5 waiting now...to be done. We are on the increase in size. Drastically...These need to be done ASAP to show that we are active and we want new members here. Or there just going to go elsewhere.

I agree, but then again, I don't understand why people are so impatient. I did my 3-day wait for introduction to application. I then waited nearly 2 days I believe for my application to be accepted.

Sometimes you just have to wait in life.

On the other hand, we are at a shortage of staff right now, so we need to do something about it to get all of the things done that are on the staff's plate. George is gone on vacation, and I have been inactive during the days due to band and work so I wouldn't be able to tell you about Darth or BTO, but I heard Darth is having computer problems.

F it, like I said last night, I'll do it.

Remember, in Gene's one post, we are getting a new council person soon. This should help us with some of the issues.

Maybe see if any of our past council or application managers would be willing to step in and help in a temporary position for 6 weeks. Rotate it around and keep the term of service short so they don't get burned out. I don't think anyone should be doing this thankless job for super long times.

If I remember correctly, that was the only down side to the job. It takes someone a lil harder like Bam or Joe. There are others but those two come to mind of take no crap people. Yeah Owen too. lol

Rachy

I have to agree with the sentiment shown in this thread, and I have been a strong supporter for council in general these last couple of days where apps havent been done. It is extremely tricky to explain to applicants why our applications havent been processed in what is nearly 3 days, especially when those same applicants are saying that they're trying to be recruited by other clans.

Where is our new council that we were promised 3 weeks ago?

Even then, if we had a new council this would be ridiculous for them. Throwing them in the deep end by dumping a shit load of applications on their plate, so as many have said allready, perhaps it is time for a review of the application manager rank?

Something has to be done, because it is incredibly disheartening for all members to be encouraged to help recruit for WG, talk in lobby etc. only for those applicants to be driven away by their applications not being accepted in 3 days.

I'm struggling to find excuses I can give to applicants now.

I'm glad to be back...

Sorry to put so much on your plate at once Darth, you dont know how hard its been trying to stop them leaving.

What exactly does application manager have to do that is so tricky? Maybe all staff can be able to process the apps?

I completely agree with vephy and david. Let tertiries process apps. Would give council 1 less job todo, and with our current influx of people, a great Idea to me

*walks away from this conversation back to Switzerland*
I MEAN ... NO U

K seriously.
We're not promoting new council until AFTER we have promoted the next raid leader (so we should be ready soon!)

I understand the concern and I apologise... but sometimes you just gotta take a holiday

App managers... I don't think we should bring them back... they got shat on, you say it won't happen again but it will.
The job was fucking horrible.

What job isn't fucking horrible?

Seriously, application managers have a task, as do raid leaders, event leaders, and council members. Everyone gets shit put against them, and some people rarely get recognition, if any at all. Don't just say you don't want application managers because you want the "glory" or "specialization" of being one of the only people to do applications.

Like I said before, here and in the IRC. I'm willing to do it, I've done applications before, I know how to approve them, I'd just need to know what ACP stuff I'd need to do.

If the App. Manager rank won't be brought back, what about giving us tertiaries the ability to process applications. It's for the best really. We've already got responsibilities and it'll help the Council. We'll help new members feel more welcome because they won't have to wait to get a response.

Just answer the points about why a tertiaries won't make a good application leader. I don't see any negative toward tertiaries the ability. If it is a problem of not knowing something you can simply teach us. We are all attentive people here and willing to listen to instructions. Please just respond on why you think we wouldn't do a good job. That is all I want to read, thank you.

You have 4 people on this thread willing to process apps. What is the problem now?

That would double those able to do the job. Two require little to no training. That means you basically don't have to do much for them to get started. Vephy and David are both loyal and trusting members of staff. Either of them could possibly be elected to council in the future. LET THEM DO IT.

You weren't in the IRC to see how Darth was treated by Mark. I was really upset about it. Darth is 17 and we have Mark 43 going over and over about how Darth fails and needs to go do apps. Kyle had just returned and he deserved that? It was awful. Remember the warnings given to the people who apply for council, if members start attacking council in public IRC it will be bad. Not only did he attack Darth but he blamed him for stuff that was not his fault at all. He was putting down Gene too. George your name was in all this too.

BTO may be council but he is building the raiding/war part of the clan up and I see that as a very busy job. Gene is busy in rl and he never has really done many apps since I joined. That doesn't leave many people to work on them. We have such an increase right now, a decision should be made within a few days on how to solve the problem. Don't just think it will go away on its own. Do something to change it.

How did I avoid the subject.
Odd that you posted this after I told you what was going on

Eh.. George just drop it.


We're bringing up the idea of bringing back app managers, so I hope that helps cool down some people's attitudes.

Oisorry.
Anyway it's being discussed, IF BTO WOULD GET OFF WOW -.-

I know I know.
I couldn't agree withg you more.
And we could do somthing about it faster... IF BTO GETS OFF WOW AND READS LVL 4 -.-

YES george agree's. Epic. Sounds like a great idea. Ill lock the topic now. Sorted.