Hatred to the Quran

It's true this douthbag lawmaker published a movie telling everyone that Islam is all terriorist and that the Quran will lead to the invasion of Europe. UM WTF DUDE. PISSES ME OFF. WHAT AN IDIOT!


...I myself am Muslim and take this very offensively, I really wanna punch that guy in the face....

Wow...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080327/ap_on_...ands_quran_film

Didn't know you were muslim.

Wow, that guy is a total douche.

F the dutch.

:\ The world is not a nice place, can't appeal to everyone but hey I don't care what anyone else thinks, I am Muslim, and am not what this man this a Muslim is. I would never even dare THINK of doing such a horrible thing. All these people on TV you see saying oh well God said so lets go kill them. Those are not the real Muslims, in the Quran it also states that a Muslim ONLY attacks in self-defense of ones self. NOT FREAKING KILL EVERYONE. I FREAKING HATE YOU AL QUIDA. Screw it up for all of us and give us a horrible reputation. THANKS FOR THE EXTRA SECURITY SEARCH BIN LADEN. Welcome to Earth . :lmao:

That's fucked up. Some people are idiots with very prejiduce ideas. I would take offense to that, too.

'Never heard of it or him before.
If he's comparing people like you to terrorists, then I really can't say I'm convinced.

On the other hand, although, however misinterpreted it may be, I can't blame him for having a negative view about Islam.
You should know more than anyone here how these extremists are giving a bad name to Islam.

It is a matter of putting the blame in the right place.




I'm noticing increasingly more the generalization of religious people. It seems the world can't understand that people who have a religion are still people, and are susceptible to the same habits and behaviors as those who don't.
Like the stars, some are bright; some are dim.
Irrelevant? Maybe. But I thought I'd share my views anyway.

Well the thing that really angered me about it was at the end of the movie he was like.

We stop the Jews from taking over Europe.
Now we must stop the spreading of Islam and defend Europe and end it.


The thing is Fire, I bet he has at least 1 muslim friend. He knew that there were nice muslims, so why aim it at the religion in general? Just say Al quida, terrorists. He cant be a complete idiot.

His exact quote:

"In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe. Now the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

Am I right in thinking there's 2 version of the Qu'raan? One which promotes peace and one promoting 'protecting the faith'? That's the latest story I've heard. Of course I know very little about it.

wow thats rough...

I'm a Muslim too and this really disgusts me. Fine, everyone has their own opinions and such in this modern topsy-turvy world. But this dude here is taking it to a new level and somehow trying to influence his opinions and ideas to other people, thereby causing more hatred to my religion.

There are more people who don't know Islam well and with Wilders' nonsense running wild, more people will tend to adopt his opinions.

Our muslims must remain strong and steadfast. We need to remember to be patient and protect our religion, like how the Quran and the Prophet (pbuh) taught us, not through causing violence and havoc. People nowadays are often misled by their egos and wrong mindsets, not following what is being taught.

After all, these are all the signs of the nearing of the end of the world.

I will put this all into one sentence of why this movie is garbage.


The Quran can only be truly understand in Arabic, you CAN NOT translate it.
There are many ways for it to be translated into English. It MUST be read and comprehended in Arabic.

People like that are totally ignorant. I have several Muslim friends and they are totally cool. They acknowledge other religions, and do not try to cleanse us like many people think ALL Muslims try to do.

I hate how people like him play on the fear of the people in order to make loads of money. I mean, none of us can deny that the fact was the terrorists committing these crimes were Muslim, but to generalize that every single Muslim is like that? That is absurd. I's a small group of people who analyze the Koran the way they want to see it.

My friend explained to me that technically the jihad is not an actual battle between people, but more an internal battle of keeping to the religion or succumbing to temptation. Personally I think that is really cool. Most other religions say that you can repent, which is basically saying that you could do what you want unless you say you're sorry, in which case you're totally clean.

Islam is a very interesting religion. In actuality it's very peaceful, there just so happens to be one group that wants to deviate from that, and sadly because they get the most air time, all the ignorant people in the western world just accept it as though every single Muslim is a terrorist and that they're all out to get us.

I hate that.

Just if there were more Colonels in the world.

I have seen the film, and to say it is hateful is putting it nicely.....

I really do not see how someone can publish something without expecting a damning reception. Yes the contents of the film scared me, the extremism is worrying, the beaheading it contains among other things shows the BAD SIDE of Islam, however the film makes one gigantic mistake....

There is no diffirentiation between the majority 'good' and predominantly pacifist/level-headed sections of Islam and the Minority extremist sections.

I cannot behlive that any right minded person could take what the film is saying to be true, however there are allot of people in this world who will. I almost see the current persicution of Islam as a whole reflecting an almost modern crusade against a religion, and it saddens me.

FYI-

Osama Bin Laden/Al Queda has threatened/vow'ed to execute all the 'Live Leak' staff after they published it online, hence it has now been taken down.

I heard they also threatned the guy(Mr.Wilders)....I want to see how this one plays out. One thing everyone is not seeing is the protests going on. I was instead watching the Arabic news and it showed us all of these protests and all governments of the world denouncing and rejecting the video.

what ever....well Moch brought along couple of very interesting quotations of the Quran, you should definetaly read them, you'll tfind them in the topic "Religion"

Most of the people are more likely to belive what this gyu is teliing about Quran and i can truly understand them. Untill now muslins have shown only the bad/violent side of Quran and their whole feith.

It is honestly Disgusting.
I'm also a fellow Muslim, and to read those words really makes me sick. Islam is far from what he published, it is nothing i repeat NOTHING like what he makes it look like. Islam is a religion of peace, what happened at 9/11 was done by extremists, and they are by no means considered true Muslims.

Yes, I'm not surprised by this. My surprise about what idiots - in general - have against Islam, considering only and only what they get from the media, came last summer when I was looking up peoples' opinions towards Islam on the net.

They call it "freedom". I personally do support freedom; who doesn't. But freedom has limits. Freedom exists as long as it does not affect any other person/race/religion/country/whatever.

Today, idiots use the term "freedom" as a defend to their actions made against Islam. Why? I mean, nobody would kill someone and say that it was based on my will, meaning freedom. Freedom has bloody limits.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but a Muslim friend of mine told me that the word Muslim technically means submission to the lord, or something like that. Which is why when those who follow Islam put their heads to the floor when they pray, symbolizing that they're submitting themselves to the lord.

What interests me is that the extreme Christians who believe that the Bible is the word of God also know that when Jesus prayed, he put HIS head to the floor. He submitted himself to the lord. That made him a Muslim, but a Christian. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure about this.

My friend also told me that in the Koran there are some references to characters in the Bible, and that some are highly praised like Moses I think it was. How he was the only person to every actually interact with God, and that Muhamad (sp?) was actually illiterate, but had good memory and that an angel told him what God was saying and just memorized it and repeated it for people to write. Hence the practice of memorizing the Koran.

I find it so interesting that practically all these religions are totally linked. My friend explained it to me as though Islam is like the latest religion. I'm not sure if this sounds insulting, but it's as if each religion stemmed from the previous one. So before Islam there was Christianity, then before that was the Jewish religion (can't remembe the name right now) and before that there was another one. It's amazing how they're all linked, yet in one way or another they're totally different and any slight deviation from the "correct" one warrants a punishment.

Islam really is a beautiful religion. It speaks of peace and tolerance. Yet the extremists are so caught up in their warped reality (sorry if this offends anyone) that they practically overlook that. If they're so loyal to Muhamad (sp?) why is it that they're killing in his name? Why would they put this on him? Does he really want all these people dead, in his name no less? I highly doubt it. Yet they do it, and say it's right. They have no tolerance. They get all the attention. All the followers of Islam get the blame.

I hate the ignorant people who just blindly accept what the media spits out. Not all Arab people are evil or want us dead. Frankly, most of them are pretty nice. I heard that Iran was home to the nicest people you'd ever meet, including Americans which at this point in time is hard to believe. I've not come across a Muslim, or an Arab person who ever tried to convert me, or insult me for not being like him or her. They let us be, and we let them be. It's just sickening that all these deaths are the result of these extremist groups who are killing in the name that they're worshiping. That only makes their religion seem worse, and prolongs the fight.

Muslims shouldnt be angry at this guy for making the video though.
Instead , blame the guys who made him make the video;The extremists etc.

So being angry at this guy is stupid I'd say. Even the people who arent extremists are thinking like them because of this video and want to hurt/kill this guyI'm sure and thats just helping the man prove a point. Instead , the anger should be turned to the f@gs who like killing people in the name of god.

Publishing something like this is bound to elevate animosities towards the filmmaker and those who supported its release. I'm not sure if he even realise this, granted too many wars and fights are just based on religious misunderstandings or associations.

I don't exactly know how the film is like, since its denied anymore access to public viewing. I have many Muslim friends, and they are one of the nicest people. Very down to earth and also from what I've learnt from their descriptions of the teachings, its usually about keeping peace and learning to respect others, which does make me reflect on what grounds are the extremist trying to do.

However, we cannot say it is only a lone issue springing from one religion association, there are others as well in their respective names.

I don't know, some people seemed to like picking on specific differences and making stereotypings. If its not religion then its race, then its the different sexes, then its different sexual orientations. A very busy world. Sometimes, such actions are just simply people who happens to do the wrong things, say the wrong stuffs, make to wrong decisions and happen to belong collectively to a particular group and fingers start pointing.

It would be foolish to let the actions of some dictate that all of everything the rest is the same.


P.S. Lol Tuna =( but that sig was really awesome.

ok now....before 20 more topics are made about why Quran isn't bad or why muslims aren't responable for 911 you should check this: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=328
this is exactly the same what you have posted. My personal opinion is that religious and political content should be allowed to be posted in our forums because it only leads to one thing: more dicussions about 911 and so on. Don't you people have enough of this?....it's like an vicious circle.

all i wanted to say is use one topic for all this religious stuff...not 1000s of topics about one and the same issue. It's called spamming.

Lol, my Egyptian buddy made an anti-Geert Wilders Facebook group.

Join up

Bamb that is a poll about what religion you are it skims the surface, we are going under the water here. That topic is a poll not intended to be a discussion about it....and bamb you don't have to be part of the topic if you feel you want it contained. If this topic for some reason gets out of hand it will be locked. Simple solution. Plus I posted this to tell everyone about it and to show that there are terrorists in Islam, BUT there are terriorists in every religion. Making it seem like we are the religion of evil. Thats false those people are minority idiots. The world needs to know the true Islamic religion not the one you hear on the news.

....seriously, I didn't read all the posts here b/c I didn't have the time but heres something to look at.

If you actrually look at the religions. Judaism and Islam both have large extremist groups with the same aims.

The Talmud of the Jew's states- in a nutshell- 10 commandments only apply to Jews, killing, stealing, raping anyone else in another religion is not a sin.

The Quran of the Muslim's- don't know where, but the extremists take it as purge the world of all other religions, doing something evil to someone in another religion is ok.

Why all the focus on Muslim Terrorists? It gives the people a common enemy and 1 group to blame for the worlds problems. The world today is like Nazi Germany and Hitler, a man lieing to the people to cause the destruction of a religion, except this time its world wide.

Life sucks. Sorry Ali, I no this is hard, but no one can chance whats put in front of them, and not get brainwashed a little.
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The world is in a sad time now.....a bad time. Now heres how I see the world right now.
-2 Large Powers-order of lets say X and O----- X===Middle East, China, Russia. vs- O=== Europe, North America and Australia.
Moderate areas- South America-Venezuela raising a war backing X in SA.
Africa-A living hell with large scale massacres and civil war again.


X and O fight, world becomes hell, losing side uses Nukes. World Population- No more than 2 Billion still alive.
Supposed winning side makes 1 unified deal, something like what the USSR was. Then So called world peace with minor uprisings.
End of the world and as the Bible would state- Armageddon.

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Thats the world I picture. All within a 500 yr or less period starting in 2025AD.

Just wanted to share.

Yeah, thanks for calling me a Nazi, Kiwi. 'Appreciate it.

I read some about your religion and agree it is a small group destroying its rep I think your religion is very close to Christianity when it comes to how you should be leading life.

All religions can find some comman ground and need to be respectful of each other. 9/11 was a terrible thing and all people should agree to do whatever to help stop streading that kind of hatred We have one Earth and need to share and keep peace.

I'm a muslim as well.

Did not watch the video but i it probably would of offended me. After 9/11 more things anti-islam are showing up you know, just because of the actions of a few extremists. DON'T BLAME A WHOLE GROUP ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW..seriously

and yeah colonel muslim in arabic means one that submits their will to god. Islam means submission to the will of god.

Very good conversation, and no flaming, I am proud of you guys

My concern is not with Muslims in general, but with a particular brand is Islam called Wahhabism. This is the movement from which the majority of the extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, come from. While I do not like to pick out a particular religious beleif, Wahhabism, unlike Islam, preaches intolerance towards both non-Muslims and Muslims who do not obey the strict tenants of Wahhabism.

Again, one must be careful because not all followers of Wahhabism are violent, however if there is a belief system that can be associated with extremism and terrorism it is the Wahhabi movement.

Many people might have the image of total strictness in all aspects of life in Saudi Arabia. The reason of that, they say, is their tight views towards Islam. I myself am a Muslim, proud to be living in Saudi Arabia; the country where Islam was born. You might say that Islamic practices here in Saudi Arabia are a bit too strict, but when a Muslim closely looks at that, he finds himself very fortunate to be living in a country where the good deeds of Islam could be easily accessable, whilst the prohibitants of Islam are far away from reach here; I like that.

I think the main thing we need to consider is the cause of etremeism in society. Nothing that we see today is without an initial starting point at which you can see a religion's standards tested, which results in the conflict we see today.

A good example of an event causing a long lasting conflict would be the establishment of Israel after WW2. Essentially the occupants of that land were evicted to establish a homeland for the Jew's, however they chose one of the most Holy area's of land in the whole world to live on and as a result the palistinean occupants weren't particularily happy to leave.

Since then Israel has fought almost all of its neighbours, as well as 'rebel' cells within its country to retain controll of this area. They now have frequent rocket attacks from their palistinean neighbours and I would suggest that without american support they would not be holding out so well.

All the conflict within Israel is caused by their willingness to occupy area's that are not nessacarily theirs (Gaza strip etc.) and this brings us on to the USA.

America has long had its hand in conflicts within the middle east, it was supplying weapons to Osama Bin Laden when he was making it 'Difficult' for the soviet occupants of Afganistan, and they also thought it a good idea to equip Saddam Hussien with weapons to fight the Iranians. The problem is once these guys were deemed no longer usefull they were ditched, american support was instantly dropped when they no-longer felt they were needed and as a result american 'controll' (for want of a better word) of these people was lost.

With Iraq this resulted in the invasion of Kurwait and unltimately the first gulf war, with Osama this helped to establish the long running Taleban Leadership and as a result caused massive oppression within Afganistan which has only recently been stopped.

However in both cases the Americans have now occupied the land that they invaded.... as a result they are the ones that are fueling the violence. No matter what you behlive there has to be a reason for any person to behlive that violence is nessacary, and though the extremist suicide bombers may have had little reason the USA is now giving fuel to the fire which is only causing more and more muslims to pick up the proverbial sword to protect their faith.

The problem is the USA really needs to leave Iraq, but it is in a state where there is no stable government so they cannot leave.... if they do it will prbably go back to the way it was before, or possibly worse, but if they stay the hatred for Americans by muslim extremists is only going to increase.

Is there acually an acceptable solution?

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'Nuff said.

Don't tell me what to do, Karl. I wasn't flaming or baiting, if that is what possessed you to address me like that.
Nowhere did I deny that his argument was fair. However, I felt it necessary to make it clear that I disagreed with him to some degree... And - as it is within my right to do so - I did.

I will admit, my first comment was a bit inappropriate. I apologize, Evildead. I got lazy.
The meaning behind it is still true, however. And I hope you are aware of it.
As long as your arguments remain clean, I can accept what you have to say... As stated in my previous post.

Omg, Show-off time. Forgive me.


Parlez-vous Français?
[Pawr-Leh-Voo Frawn*-Seh]

French for 'Do you speak French?"
You can switch 'Français' with 'Anglais' [Awng~Glez]. 'Anglais', meaning 'English'.
* R's can be tricky to pronounce in French.

Nihongo ga dekimasu ka?
[Nee-Hong-Go Guh Deck-Ee-Muss-Kuh]

Standard Japanese for "Do you speak Japanese?"
You can switch 'Nihongo' with 'Eigo' [Ay-Go]. 'Eigo', meaning 'English'.
(Japanese characters don't appear on here for some reason, so I use Romaji)
There are about 12 ways to say this phrase, but this is one of the most used.


There you go... A Sample of two foreign languages.
I don't know the other ones, so don't ask.


edit: Had to fix some pronunciations.

I can speak Arabic, except it is very hard to use an english keyboard to type it.