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Suggestion: 'Trial Managers'
By JC on 04/08/2009
So, recently there has been a bit of discussion about the way applications are being handled, and talk of the return of the 'application manager role'.
My suggestion is a whole new idea of a rank.
'Trial managers'
Whats the difference between trial managers and app managers?
Before, when we had application managers the general job of them was to Accept and process applications, yet once the person is within Wg they have little or no responsobility for them. With Trial managers I suggest a rank which not only can accept applications, but is able to work alongside mentee's with guiding members through their first month/trial period within WG.
At this stage I think this is the biggest weakness of WG's application/new member system, the relative lack of support for new members from Applying to Graduating, as this topic shows:
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=12020
Allot of trial guardians are falling through the cracks and as a result we're not getting as many members as we potentially could.
What will they do?
I however do not think that it would be good to have the ability to accept graduations be given to anyone apart from council as this is an essential step in filtering WG's members.
Benefits?
Obviously this will take a large amount of work off council, which has to be a benefit. Obviously council can still (and will probably need to) process applicants, but there is never going to be any harm as a result of having more people able to process applicants as long as they put enough effort into the backround checks.
Greater support during the trial period can only lead to better trial guardians who are more likely to graduate, surely a win-win situation
My suggestion is a whole new idea of a rank.
'Trial managers'
Whats the difference between trial managers and app managers?
Before, when we had application managers the general job of them was to Accept and process applications, yet once the person is within Wg they have little or no responsobility for them. With Trial managers I suggest a rank which not only can accept applications, but is able to work alongside mentee's with guiding members through their first month/trial period within WG.
At this stage I think this is the biggest weakness of WG's application/new member system, the relative lack of support for new members from Applying to Graduating, as this topic shows:
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=12020
Allot of trial guardians are falling through the cracks and as a result we're not getting as many members as we potentially could.
What will they do?
- Research into the history of new applicants
- Processing applications including updating memberlists
- Managing & Assigning mentors
- Assisting trial guardians with any questions between acceptance & graduation
- Checking gradutations for mistakes & advising applicants of any mistakes
- Work on a new suggestion by David which will help intergrate new members into WG better (I'm sure he will post that soon, it sounds like a good/easy idea)
I however do not think that it would be good to have the ability to accept graduations be given to anyone apart from council as this is an essential step in filtering WG's members.
Benefits?
Obviously this will take a large amount of work off council, which has to be a benefit. Obviously council can still (and will probably need to) process applicants, but there is never going to be any harm as a result of having more people able to process applicants as long as they put enough effort into the backround checks.
Greater support during the trial period can only lead to better trial guardians who are more likely to graduate, surely a win-win situation
By David on 04/08/2009
Here is the suggestion JC mentioned.
JC told me about how my idea could be managed by Application Managers and I agreed.
However I think this idea (JC's) is just as good as re-implementing the old rank.
Yes, it'd require a lot of work.
My only suggestion would be for the rest of staff to be given these responsibilities as well. So instead of having 2-3 guys in this position plus the Council have to handle all the applicants and mentor assignments, allow us Event Leaders and Raid Leaders to pitch in, just to make sure all applications are tended to. This way no one is burdened with the entire load.
JC told me about how my idea could be managed by Application Managers and I agreed.
However I think this idea (JC's) is just as good as re-implementing the old rank.
Yes, it'd require a lot of work.
My only suggestion would be for the rest of staff to be given these responsibilities as well. So instead of having 2-3 guys in this position plus the Council have to handle all the applicants and mentor assignments, allow us Event Leaders and Raid Leaders to pitch in, just to make sure all applications are tended to. This way no one is burdened with the entire load.
By Bassism on 04/08/2009
I'm down with that.
By Lee on 04/08/2009
| QUOTE (Bassism @ August 04, 2009 03:20 am) |
| I'm down with that. |
Il go down on owen.
Naa, im kidding..Or am I?
Yea, im not bothered, let us tertiries do apps, or bring back the old rank for JC and owen todo. It would lift a load off alot of people.
By His Lordship on 04/08/2009
Flat out no.
The App Manager Rank isn't coming back.
The App Manager Rank isn't coming back.
By David on 04/08/2009
| QUOTE (His Lordship @ August 04, 2009 11:16 am) |
| Flat out no. The App Manager Rank isn't coming back. |
Take the Trial Manager Application, and give it to the people that really aren't in it for the glory, and are the hard workers - they are clearly obvious names that should be popping up here.
But instead of tossing all the work on them, distributed it throughout the entire Staff. Give the rest of us tertiaries the same privileges and access.
Then we'd have people designated JUST to manage trials and applicants, but the rest of the Staff could still jump in when things get pretty nasty.
This should help relieve some of the work of the Managers and the Council. Thus the rank wouldn't be as hellish as it once was since many more people are doing it.
By VEPHYSAURAS on 04/08/2009
| QUOTE (His Lordship @ August 04, 2009 05:16 am) |
| Flat out no. The App Manager Rank isn't coming back. |
Ok what is the solution then to the problem?
By His Lordship on 04/08/2009
The solution is that council does apps.
OMFG ROCKET SCIENCE.
OMFG ROCKET SCIENCE.
By JC on 05/08/2009
| QUOTE (His Lordship @ August 05, 2009 12:36 pm) |
| The solution is that council does apps. OMFG ROCKET SCIENCE. |
And make them wait 3 Days+?
Promise to do their app's, then ignore them?
In case we all don;t get the message across... Council only doing Apps is not foolproof
Have you noticed almost everyone here thinks that something is wrong with the way it currently works? What is wrong with having more people able to process apps, I'm sure if I put time to it I could easily help council check applicants carefully, in fact, if it look suspicious I allready take a look
Can you please tell us what is wrong with the idea of having App/Trial managers? Just because it has failed before does not mean it will fail now.
By VEPHYSAURAS on 05/08/2009
| QUOTE (His Lordship @ August 04, 2009 06:36 pm) |
| The solution is that council does apps. OMFG ROCKET SCIENCE. |
You mean the council that didn't quite process applications on time. Okay gotcha. Iguess we can do rush job on applications after quite a few lose interest and leave.
By David on 06/08/2009
Gene, we all understand that the App Manager rank was basically a shit hole, but when you're asking us to recruit as much as we can and when we're able to pull in a large number of applicants we need to have the staff to handle that amount of applications.
You said yourself that you won't be as active anymore due to Univeristy. School will be starting up soon so George and Kyle won't exactly be able to no-life Council either.
If you're persistant on keeping the App Manager rank dead, at a very least let the current tertiaries help out. the fact you chose US to be staff means you trust us. Let us help you.
Just one thing though - if your main concern about the App Manager rank was that is was complete shit because there was so much work with little recognition, what's the difference between that and what some non-staff members are doing?
JC is basically doing the job of an App Manager (the dirty work at least) and STILL wants to help out. I think it's pretty obvious he's not in it for the glory.
Also, there is always this huge warning about Council being the worst position in terms of work done and the amount of shit they get, but BOTH Owen and JC are Ex-Council and WANT to do the job. I think having handled the stress of Council means something when a big concern is that the rank is very taxing.
You said yourself that you won't be as active anymore due to Univeristy. School will be starting up soon so George and Kyle won't exactly be able to no-life Council either.
If you're persistant on keeping the App Manager rank dead, at a very least let the current tertiaries help out. the fact you chose US to be staff means you trust us. Let us help you.
Just one thing though - if your main concern about the App Manager rank was that is was complete shit because there was so much work with little recognition, what's the difference between that and what some non-staff members are doing?
JC is basically doing the job of an App Manager (the dirty work at least) and STILL wants to help out. I think it's pretty obvious he's not in it for the glory.
Also, there is always this huge warning about Council being the worst position in terms of work done and the amount of shit they get, but BOTH Owen and JC are Ex-Council and WANT to do the job. I think having handled the stress of Council means something when a big concern is that the rank is very taxing.
By Sativas on 29/07/2010
If this ever happened I would fap for it.
By VEPHYSAURAS on 29/07/2010
| QUOTE: Sativas @ July 29, 2010 12:07 am) |
| If this ever happened I would fap for it. |
wat
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