9/11

Do you still recall where you were when 9/11 occurred? It was 8 years ago in 2001. It was truly a tragic event. Now I hear that there are some rumors about how this was an inside job and all but now a days you don't know what to believe honestly. My friend showed me these videos on youtube and they were just unbelievable. This is just some of what happened on 9/11, bone chilling stuff here. WARNING: If you are sensitive to these kind of films I warn you not to watch them.

There were 4 flights in all. Two hit a tower. The other plan hit the Pentagon. And the 4th one was Flight 93 (yes there is a movie) and the passengers revolted and brought the plane down before it hit its target.

Thoughts, comments of 9/11?? Feel free to post more videos.


Thanks. Rest in peace to all of those innocent people who died in that horrific disaster and to all the brave and courageous firefighters who saved many others while sacrificing their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYZqQWfGIJg
WARNING!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGNZzdwEiM&feature=related

Happy september 11th guys

I was in my health class in 7th grade. My friends were all like "omgz I herd dat a plane hit the world trade center in new york"...and I was all like..."LOLWUT?"

Then our principal came in and told my teacher to turn on the TV and we were all like "woah"

my dad just left for work(we were living on base at the time) and he had the radio turned on and he hadn't gone 20 ft in his car when he ran out and yelled at my mom to turn on the tv. There were F16s above the air force academy in minutes.

I went to school for an hour or so and then i got the day off from school..... to think how fucking stupid we were back when we were...... what 10, 11, 12. I was just happy to get out of school, I mean, i felt bad for the people that died, but honestly, it wasn't until the next week or so later I realized what exactly had happened and what it meant.

It defiantly was a tragedy, and I don't think it will ever be forgotten, most likely it will be remembered as the "Pearl Harbor" of today or something.

If their is a god, I hope he put the souls of all those who died to rest, what a horror it must have been for those people, in the building, around the building, and on the airplanes.... and for the families that never got to bury their husband's, son's, daughter's, or wife's remains.

I was in 5th grade.

I almost didn't go to school that day. My teachers brother worked at the WTC and we didn't do much that day until he found out that his brother had called in sick that day.

Its a serious day in history. And it makes me angry when people act like its a joke.

RIP all those live that were lost on Sept. 11th

I was in fourth grade when it happened, if I remember correctly... I remember everyone getting pulled from school and joking with a person next to me "We're gonna end up being the last ones here, lulz." I got called right after I said that, ironically...

One of the few tragities of the Bush administration that we might not actually be able to blame on him, although there are conspiracy theories out there... I don't think our government would be desperate enough to bomb our own buildings and kill 3,000+ people just to go to war in the middle east, though...

Oddly enough, back then the thing that hit me hardest was the firemen who died. My Dad's been a fireman for over 20 years. I'm actually shaking a bit, remembering all this.

I'm intentionally not paying attention to the WoW trade chat for the next 48 hours because all they'll be talking about is how the government did it. Stupid pricks.

^ Totally forgot I had this on my phone. Its from the newseum in DC when I was there in January. Its part of their exhibit on 9/11. The picture is sideways, but its the radio transmitter from the North tower, I think it was? Its either one or the other, but its the actual transmitter from the tower. On the wall, you can barely make out the images of all the newspapers from across the world. Not the country, but the world. All of them have front headlines saying "Terrorism" in their respective languages and show the picture of the towers up in smoke. Its quite a powerful exhibit if anyone is going to the DC area(*looks at Lordy*), and I recommend going to see it.

Although I'm British I can still remember where I was, I was 13, in school when both towers were hit, got home and it was all over the news, I think that was the first time I actually properly watched the news, and I was glued to it for about 2 hours, watching the footage over and over again. At the time I didn't really feel anything (Sorry, I know). But since then, and watching the repurcussions, it's hard to not see how damaging 9/11 was, not just to the unfortunate innocent victims but to America, and the world as a whole. I think the world is still recovering from a horrendous attack.


I was in NYC 1 year later, and you could tell the city was still mourning, understandably.

Never forget.

I went to NYC in spring 2005 with our school band and we drove past where the towers were. Wasn't much to see. Just a big cement hole in the ground.

While I'm on the topic...I love NYC..lol

I was in the Philippines when it happened, it was late at night.

Stoke..."happy" 9/11?

Wouldn't say it like that...

I was in reading class when it happened, the school was evacuated shortly after so I got the day off. Yay!

Bringing up Hiroshima is irrelevant simply because that was a wartime decision. Yes, civilian casualties were lost, but consider what would have happened had those bombs not been dropped.

The Japanese were relentless. They knew we had them beaten once we started island hopping and taking key islands. I *think* it was Guadalcanal that was the main island. It gave the USA an airfield near mainland Japan which allowed us to run continuous bombing runs. Japan really had nowhere to go...but what did they do? They kept fighting. They would have continued to fight until the last Japanese person was standing. Had this been the case, the American death toll would have been MUCH larger than it is. But we used the best weapon that we had at our disposal...and we finished it.

Funny enough, Truman had to LIE to the Japanese to really get them to surrender. He had to make them believe we had stockpiles of the A-bomb. Because after the first, they were still fighting...one atomic bomb just wasn't enough to stop the war.

So yeah, maybe Americans might be biased towards 9/11, and we damn well should be. Our country got fucked over royally, and there is no way to sugarcoat that.

Saying "happy" in relation to 9/11 is like going up to someone on the anniversary of their parents death and saying "Happy day your parents died!" and when they get pissed you respond with "Hey, don't overreact now, people get blown up everyday, your parents were just two people." Yes...it is a big fucking deal.

Bringing in hunger is also irrelevant because people dying of lack of nourishment isn't murder. Flying a plane into two buildings is, in fact murder. You COULD look at hunger as murder if you wanted to say that corporations are knowingly withholding food from areas that are in need of food. But they got this far right? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of starving people, and what some corporations are doing (withholding food) is wrong, but comparing that to 9/11 is laughable at best.

Oh and by the way, the Japanese were WILLINGLY killing themselves during the war, just so they wouldn't be killed by the Americans. The threw themselves off cliffs and killed their children because Japanese propaganda depicted American soldiers as cannibals and that they would eat their children. So they were sacrificing their civilians without our help...

I am an American. Damn proud of it too.

Besides, we're not trying to belittle any other tragedy. It just so happens this was a pretty big one.

I mean I know of the Australian situation in Galipoli. That was pretty fucked up too...but do I think those lives were any less valuable than American lives? No. I'd mourn them just the same because what happened to them sucked massively and didn't they didn't deserve it.

It just so happened that 9/11 was pretty much televised globally...and after it happened the entire world mourned for us. It's not the biggest tragedy by far, but something about it makes it "larger" than it is.

9/11 is not the same for the rest of the world as it is for us here in America.
I know in my mind that "bad" things happen all the time in other parts of the world.
For most of here though we can remember this, we were there. This was terror on the heart of our land.
It saddens me to see people belittle it simply because "there are other tradegies in the world" or "so you Americans cause grief all the time"
I personally don't appreciate being told to stop whining basically.
The hurts that we as Americans have you wouldn't understand anyway.

I would like to thank all our soldiers fighting everywhere in the world for our rights and the rights of others to be free and live a good life.
Thier sacrifice will not be forgotten nor will those of the innocent people who lost thier lives on 9/11.
We will never forget.

Sure, mourn people who die due to other events, but that does not detract that on this day, 8 years ago, possibly the largest terrorist attack occured, if it had happened in any other country it would get the same reaction.

Yes, 25000 people may die each day from hunger, but 3000 people don't die each day due to terrorism. For the love of God, I'm not even American, but at least give America this day to mourn the loss of 3000 innocent lives, it's not like they bring it up every day and say that they've had the worst disaster ever. All they want is one day to remember the people who died, but some people can't even give them that.

I can guarantee, if this attack had happened somewhere else, people from that country would mourn just like America is and hate it if other people posted belittling it.

On the 7th of July 2005, Britain was subject to a terror attack, 52 people were killed, 52. That's about a 60th of the number of people killed in 9/11, yet on that day, on the news, I saw an American citizen holding a sign by a roadside that said "Today, we're all British", why can't people be like this, yes you may have had it worse at one point, or someone else may have suffered more in the past, or regularly, but for one day, let people who have suffered a major tragedy mourn, and not have people posting "Happy 9/11 day" or "Well, people die of starvation all the time", or "150, 000 people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki"

We're not telling you not to mourn. We're aware of the fact that it's a different tragedy if it happened close to you and such things have happened all around the world in other countries as well but do you see those countries always bringing it up? In almost every debate regarding America 9/11 tends to be brought up and quite frankly people grow sick of it and want to just move on. We're not telling you not to mourn, we're telling you to mourn in silence.

In the end 9/11 is just a tiny pebble in the never ending river of time.

There's still annual commemorations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Leave us alone. Those events symbolized the realization of atomic weaponry, which played a massive role during the Cold War era. Today, 9/11 plays a similar role in the War on Terror era. I think there's nothing wrong with making a big deal out of it the whole year round.

I was in 3rd grade, Principal annunced that the first tower was hit over th intercom. But I didn't think anything of it cause I didn't even know what the towers were. And then the second one hit. I didn't really know what to think because I was so young, it took me a while to really grasp what happened.

RIP all those who died

And the 9/11 attacks aren't just significant because of the innocent people that were killed, but the effect it would have on the history following it.

Steve, Lordy, and others. I think you'd feel a little different if a large chunk of London or Sydney's skyline was destroyed. You'll never know how it really feels until it happens to you.

The fact is some of you aren't mourning the deaths that happened (my apologies in advance to anyone who did lose someone close in the event, just disregard it) but just the fact that America's image of being 'untouchable' got ruined.

We're willing to be compassionate. It's natural that we get sick if you're going to throw it at us at every occasion you get. Other countries have problems and suffer from needless violence as well, you're not the only one.

You can have your day. I just don't want to hear 9/11 being used as an excuse or reasoning for everything. Because that is more disrespectful than people saying they just don't care that much about it all.

Loving the resulting debate from my initial 4 word troll.

Thankfully, Lordy explained something I didn't have time to explain this morning because of work. This event is blown out of all proportion. Hell they might as well make it a national holiday. At this rate we'll be giving christmas-style gifts to each other to commemorate the occasion.

What about the millions of others that die needlessly each year as a result of diplomatic and religious trates out of their control?

Compared to the needless violence and resulting suffering that occurs on a daily basis, this is squat.

Another important point to make is that by giving it so much attention you're letting the terrorists get what they wanted - Attention for their cause.

Please don't mistake me, I sympathize wholeheartedly for the unfortunate individuals that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think 4 of the students at my... (it's a long story, won't call her my girlfriend)'s university died in the attacks.

When it happened I was too young to really understand terrorism/war/etc. so I wasn't sure what to think. At the exact moment, as a policy of my school district, they were not allowed to tell any of the students (to prevent chaos), so my parents tried explaining it to me when I got home. After the attacks I realized how much more patriotic the country became as a whole, which made me much more patriotic myself. It's a sad moment that we'll get to tell our kids we witnessed.

For the trolls, shut up, a simple RIP would of done.

Bullshit Stoke.

Not sure who locked this without a reason, but I would have done the same thing.

People are entitled to their own opinions, that is the gift of free speech, so don't go biting someone's head off because of THEIR opinion.
Yes you can disagree with it... but in a polite manner... I won't tolerate anything more than that.

This is a very sensitive issue and I am sure that no offence was intended, although some has been taken.... don't be offended.
I can't as a Brit begin to imagine what it must have been like for Americans, but similarly I bet you Americans can't imagine what the London train bombings must have been like for Brits in 2005.
I am not condemning or judging anyone on their opinion.

All terrorist attacks are sensitive issues and should be treated as such.

~George

I locked it.

Lordy I understand exactly what you mean as I can put myself in a non-American's footsteps. However, going "Happy September 11th" is what really sparks the flame. That's just being disrespectful.

It's just a day of the year. It's not like we're all gonna be like OMG 9/11 tomorrow or the next day. But I think one day of mourning is not going overboard like everyone is making it out to be. Plus, you can't really blame us for forgetting everything else when the ceremonies are literally on every tv channel and they talk to us about all day in school.

Absolutely. Steve said what the non-Americans were thinking, but he took it that step too far. As a result I have demoted him. He was quoted in my original post because he was expressing the anger that the rest of the world felt at the over-emphasis.

A day of mourning is fine, but I am BEGGING you not to forget the rest of the world. We often feel like America is overlooking us.

After all, you did take it upon yourselves to govern peace in other parts of the world where military forces are required. So you are seen as an international representative. So you can imagine, when you privilege 9/11 over other things, we get a bit upset.

Gene, getting into WW2 was our response to Pearl Harbor. Using the Atomic bomb was our way of ending it, not our "Ah ha, we got you now!" moment. We had that once we started island hopping.

I don't think anyone is saying other tragedies aren't also tragic...just that today is our big tragedy.

Besides, you said it yourself. When Americans were "meh" about the bushfires, you didn't like it.

This is the one day that we jsut say "Yeah, another year since that sick day...may those people rest in peace." And we're hit with all this? "Go mourn in silence." "Other tragedies have killed more people."

We're not saying it's the worst in history and that every other tragedy is minute compared to ours (although some may think this way, I personally don't).

one thing about 9/11, it was the biggest Terrorist attack ever.....

50 people is what England's bombing had, it was very sad as well, but the world trade centers had 3000 people die from nationalities across the globe.

Biggest terror attack ever? Most likely one of the biggest ever, Hopefully the biggest ever, and done in one of the biggest cities in the world.....

That is why it was a big deal.

The biggest terrorism attack ever was Hiroshima.
My definition is "an act of mass homicide upon civilians used to instill fear"
You scared Japan into surrender by killing innocent people.

Sorry, it's true.

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Anyway, why should terrorism be all that matters? Why does it matter HOW people die? People who die of world hunger are somehow lesser human beings?

Totally unnecessary.

~ David

I'm sorry but everyone is having some huge problem with each other.. Somone posted a topic about 9/11 because it was today. Then a troll posted "Happy 9/11" which was rude and it brought up a whole bunch of shit. Now our leader is on a tangent and putting down the U.S. as well as pretty much saying 9/11 was nothing. Maybe 9/11 wasn't the worst thing ever but THAT is NOT the point of this topic. People need to calm themselves down and respect others.

Why go for a civilian city? The same reason NYC was attacked - the economy. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the main economic centers of Japan, and with them destroyed Japan had nothing left (no pun intended).

Personally, I think that the USA getting into the war was less selfish than staying out of it (I get what you mean by us getting in only when we became directly involved).

Granted the attacks were harsh and in many ways a huge jump from what had been taking place ("regular" and continuous bombing runs) they were necessary, and that's why I don't see them as terrorist attacks.

What exactly is there to derive from 9/11?

Too much attention? A single day where it's just a simple "Hey, it's that day again, may those people rest in peace." And that's just on these forums. I personally don't like being smothered with all the "re-caps" of that day, but every 9/11 of each year the news just goes over it...shows video footage and all that jazz. It's almost like re-living it each year (exaggerated, but I think you get the point.)

If your point is that we don't bring up the tragedies of other countries, then you may be right. But I don't think anyone here would belittle any tragedy of any other nation.

I for one know I wouldn't simply because I've lived a more international life than most and have been brought up in other nations and continents.

I know I'd gladly mourn the loss of life that occurred during the bushfire incident in Australia.

As I said on RSC:

Although we do not all agree on this day being such a big deal or not, either way they were the results of a terrorist attack and it killed many innocent people. Hopefully this will never happen to any country, weather or not they deserve it, etc. Everyone is created equal and a life in the Western Hemisphere is worth just as much as a life in the Eastern Hemisphere, same with North and South. Across the world this day in my opnion, should symbolize the WORLD's fight against mallicious acts such as this. RIP to all people around the world not only from 9/11 but from these violent disasters of today and we should honor and praise those who put their lives on the line across the globe. We are one world and one people in the end. So why is there reason to kill your own people? There is none, but we all ask for one.


I see where the two points can mingle with the other. On one hand the American policy towards other nations is very segmented. Basically the United States talks to and cares about countries it really needs to keep on going. If you don't help them, they see no use in helping and caring for your country and its problems. On the other hand, the United States has followed this path much more after 9/11, for an unexplainable reason, when really all the countries of the world sent their deepest condolences and aids to assist the United States during its hard time.

noobs go start a ww2 thread

I was in third grade at the time of this attack. I don't remember how horrifying it was and really only a couple years ago did I actually see the significance of this. Innocent people died for NOTHING. Those people in NYC were minding their own business and all of a sudden they become victims....

We will never forget, you terrorist bastards.

I think the difference is, at least for many people, is that we felt personally involved with 9/11 vs any other tragedies in history. I was watching CNN after the first plane hit the tower, and like most ppl, thought that it had been an accident. I watched live tv as the second plane hit the second tower. As the realization that our nation was being attacked hit me, it was probably the sickest, most fearful feeling I have ever had.

I knew at that moment that life would never be the same.

That is the big difference for many americans. This was an attack on us personally, one that we were living through as it was happening.

For me the difference is not the numbers but the change to America after the fall. We all had this false feeling of safety in our country and a very peaceful nature on our own soil. This was ripped away by some group trying to prove something that most of us can never understand.

It made us stronger as a country for flying our flags and love of our service men. That was really needed but the fear hasn't left. We had to deal with our mail being poisoned and killing people. People randomly shooting at people and killing them on our highways. This was not something that America had ever dealt with before. It is a terrible tragedy to us as a Nation.

Though you may think it is the only one we focus on, my church pays for missionary work all over the world. To help those that have been wrecked through natural disaster. We send aide to those at war. We feed the poor. We buy bedding nets to protect the Africans from malaria. I believe from one small church we support over 50 missions. Think of the thousands/millions/billions that we help each year as a nation.

Don't sit their in your chairs and think that America is not a giving nation. That we don't care about other tragedies. The real shame is that we are not being allowed to mourn our own losses of a idealistic nation that was stolen away. You look at the numbers but we look at the meaning to us at a very personal level. I don't come to you and tell you not to cry over some huge tragedy that happened to you, so stop thinking you are better than America just cause we mourn a loss of our own.

My family is all white and we celebrate Martin Luther King Day. Does that disturb you? That was just one man and we as a nation remember him many years after the tragedy has passed.

Freedom has a high price to pay . . .

I think that we are getting a little carried away here....its getting to a point where we are bragging about with disaster had the most kills.I mean in RS thats fine but...if you think about it 1 death can change the world. So apply that to the number of people that died in the event your thinking of. That's right it changes not only the world, but also its people, their minds, their ways of life, etc.

In all honesty I don't see why the arguing about the different terrorist acts came around...

From looking over this thread I've noticed this reappearing (i'm basically going to sum it up rather quote)

It was an attack that deeply hurt and affected millions of Americans.

I'll agree with this as that is what happened, but this arguing is pointless unless you are an american, or have suffered to a terroist act on a similar scale you can't possiby understand how it feels.

I'm from the UK and I can't understand how they feel, The 7/7 bombings don't compare to this in the slightest the scale is too different and as far as i'm away (apart from the tube) no building structural damage was done meaning there was less casualties.

Also the 9/11 attack was on 2 specific locations the 7/7 bombings were located on buses.

Lordy mentioned earlier about people commerating 9/11 but thinking about the other world issues.

I agree with this, but I think mainly the American people commerate this on 9/11 which is done rightly so.

The silences on 9/11 now become less frequent in some countries this is because yes we do respect the day and what has happened but at the same time we realise America has stabalised itself and now along with Allies is trying to prevent these events from happening once more.

On an extra note if anything I have said offends anyone i'm sorry, I didn't intend that.

Off topic a bit but something caught my attention

Will read it in detail when I return.
I'm over the WWII argument, I really am.
Whatever America did then, it was a generation ago.
Good to remember, but America and the world has changed.

Imperator I don't appreciate being called a heartless foreigner.
For a start, we are all foreigners to each others' countries.
Secondly I am anything but heartless.
In fact I constantly feel for the entire world, and THAT is the reason that America's single-mindedness about this one event annoys me. There was no forum topic about the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, or the earthquakes in Italy. There is such a bias in world issues it makes everything non-American seem diminished, and it frustrates me to the point where I sometimes think of leaving this clan.

Remember, the USA has a majority on these forums, but in reality, I hold the majority view.

By the way, don't EVER accuse me of this:

Why don't you all just drop it this discussion is pure flaming the only thing that is going to come out of this members may quit and loose respect for each other.

hmmmmm.......just reread all the posts and cannot find where someone said that they did not care about non american tragedies. Maybe I am overlooking it??

Eugene and Steve make excellent points, but what they fail to realize is that if those attacks had happened in their country, nothing would be different. They would have a national day of mourning on every anniversary too. So I don't see why they have to come in here bashing the US.

You guys didn't have to say anything, but you chose to be assholes.

But yeah, it's also a good point that there's no day of mourning for the 1 million+ people that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of our occupation there. Innocent people I'm talking about. How about the millions of people that are dying in Africa all the time from civil war, disease and starvation?

Interesting discussion...

I just wanted to quickly point out all these historical inaccuracies in this thread about WW2.

First of all, we instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor by cutting off trading to Japan during the war and continuing to trade with the Allied nations. That is, by any means, considered an act of war, regardless that there was no military involved.

Second, all this talk the the atom bomb won us the war. You have your history wrong. The Japanese were willing to surrender before we dropped the bomb, they only had one request and they would've accepted peace, and that was that they wanted to keep the Emperor as the leader of Japan. Russia had stated they would declare war on Japan 8 months after the war in Europe was won, and by the end of WW2 the Cold War was effectively already on, or at least in the beginning stages. The atomic bombs were dropped so that we could force Japan to surrender before Russia entered the war against them, and then we could claim control of all the terms of peace.

Personally, I do agree that Americans tend not to pay as much attention to disasters in other places, and I know there are a lot of personal feelings about 9/11, but you have to realize that any disaster anywhere is a shame. Why don't we mourn for the millions displaced in Darfur over the years? Believe me, I understand 9/11 was a big deal, but it's good to put away your personal feelings for a bit and realize that the rest of the world is out there too, and much much worse things are going on in it, some of them even caused by us. I do hate pinheads who are trying to make their career off 9/11 though or using it as an excuse to say....evade trials for having illegal death squads, and illegally torturing people. *cough* Glenn Beck and Dick Cheney

This reminded me of a huge debate about two years ago about Hiroshima/Nagasaki; whether the use of atomic weapons was justified or not under the circumstances. Finally tracked it down to find out the forums no longer exist. FML.

i find it peculiar how 9/11 really is just a mark of history long forgotten.

why? because if it was truly meant anything it probably would have extremely changed the u.s. policy to the world from a dominant to a compasionate one.


outside of politics, it was a sad day especially since it became known to americans that they where truly vulnerable. it also showed the world that the united states can take a hit. i recall seeing the pentagon smoke from the washington memorial on my field trip. my first thought was actually amazed at how a plane just crashed landed. it amazed me how most of my friends where shaky, i guess i was toughing it out or maybe its because i've known death to know when its coming for me and when its just my mind playing games. afterwards i went home and researched the defensive mechanism unleashed...that's when the f/a-22 prototype had been flown worldwide <amazing plane> and how people thought the world was coming to an end...

as for changes, tighter security, more personal screenings, and alot of speculation and assumptions.



p.s. kiwi. the act of taking each others views and accepting each other stances although we don't agree with each other. i guess in the end its not about winning or losing. but the debate and discussion to continue.

I don't mean to take these arguements personally.


9/11 was a horrible day, and when people ridicule it.. its just fucking disgusting. How would you feel about me talking to a Japanese national who lived through the abombs and then was like "Happy day you got bombed lol!" then when they took offense I just said "Lol its blown out of proportion stop bringing it up all the time"

I don't "mourn" this day because it was a great realization that we are not as safe as we once thought. I don't think you quite understand how 9/11 affected us as Americans that day. It is like everything you thought was the most secure just demolished. when the planes hit the towers the fear that was instilled upon us as nation was unbelieveable.

We also commemorate this day as 'Patriot Day' because it was the one day in our history where we had a near unanimous voice to the rest of the world. America was unified for that one day.