Stokenut Rejoining?

Stokenut's been wanting to rejoin WG for a while now.
I told him he could, but he's not sure if he'll be accepted by the members.
I want to take the temperature before inviting him back.
He's made a post for you to consider, so please read before voting.

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So why should WG accept me back into their community?

To list some of my positive points, I'm a stubborn egotistical asshole who offends people with his immature attitude and Runescape account that's much better than yours.

Wait. I'm trying to earn votes here. Let's start over.

Since I joined this clan in July 2005 as a level 70 with 65 magic, I've not only developed as a character and leader but grown as a person. In real life I've grown up alongside WG. They've seen me through the good times, the bad times and even the near-suicidal-draken-burst-depression times. This clan has become a part of me whether I like it or not and no clan, not even DI, can compensate for the friends, community and close bond I feel when around this clan and it's members.<br>
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I'm often mistaken by my forum posts (intros, trial guardians and new members especially) as some arrogant cunt flaming WG and it's leaders when in actual fact, It's my stupid way of making suggestions and perhaps even showing my jealousy at the fact I'm no longer a member, or leader, of this awesome clan.<br>
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Will I change if accepted back? Not hugely. I am who you see. However, my comments towards people I don't know personally will cease and I'll try to improve relations with the new members.<br>
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Details of this topic cannot be leaked, actually, if you don't want me back, just leak the topic. Once Brian reads this I'll be kicked from DI for sure. Hate me with such a passion? Then take your vengence.<br>
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What will stop me leaving and going back to DI? Well, it's taken me 6 months to attain proud member rank in DI. I was there for the entire 10 hour P2P multi clash with RoT and died for over 30M in gear and as we discussed calling it off, I voted no. That's how dedicated I am... and I'd throw it away in a heartbeat for another shot in this humble, quiet, but somewhat raw family.<br>
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I don't want to make this pitch tl;dr. If you plan on voting no then I'd like you to PM me your reasons. If you have any questions, do the same.<br>
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One more point, I'm expecting the "he's doing it for ranks" replies. My stance on that? Well, I enjoy leading. It's what I'm good at (if I may say so myself) and yeah, if given the opportunity I'll apply for raid leader. But it's not my primary motive right now. You guys are.
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I Null'd my vote as the good and the bad cancel each other out. Stoke is a rare and unique member who is bitter and sweet at the same time. His reasons for leaving DI are .. ? Although he pushed his ex-member rank to the edge there is a chance that should be given.

He has proven to be active on our forums (sometimes as a troll) but it shows a dedication that no other ex-member has. He is a ancient of WG and that needs to be respected.

I admire steve's dedication but the thing that bothers me is the fact he wants to rejoin when the raid leader apps open which to me is no coincidence. I mean sure I would like him in wg but to ask him to quit is clan to come be a raid leader is the most desperate sounding thing ever.

I would love to see Steve rejoin. He's more active on forums than some of our members, and we all know how well he can pk. Bring him on.

I voted yes.

I know that he has seemed pretty 'troll-like' lately in some of his posts, but Steve is as much a part of WG as any member, tertiary or council member could have been and I am sure it is a fairly tricky choice for him to drag himself away from the #1 p2p clan to join WG's community.

I'm sure he will aim to be staff at some point in time, but I trust in council or the clan to make the right choice and if he is the best person for that role at the time then who are we to say no.

As I posted the story, I am aware of that.
But he's referring to his history in WG.
Every time he's returned he's shortcut his way into leadership.

Stoke and I are actually quite similar in a lot of ways, whether you know that or not. I really enjoy seeing him around on the forums and in IRC. He is a legend in WG and is a great PKer and skiller actually.

The thing that turns me off by his rejoining is his egotism and how he expressed it so, even if he did want to re-join WG. He put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and annoyed more than a few. Only those that know Stokenut can understand part of where he comes from. I only have a brief understanding because I have only had brief encounters with him.

I know he has WG in his heart, especially from what I saw on a raid where he said he tried to keep DI away from WG. Another thing that does irritate me is how he put WG down and praised DI with such valor when we had a worse case of trolls on the forums. Are his intentions to improve WG to an "old school" level? It something that could have it's pluses and its minuses.

Bottom line, I do not know what I will vote. I will not null it as I might be a bit more opinionated at a later time. I am on the fence though. He did leave with haste from WG when the PvP here gave him a dis-taste to go to DI. What stops him from doing something near it? Having experienced top clans and finally relaxing in his home?

I voted Yes.

Here goes: Stoke is one of the best pkers/leaders I've ever seen in my Rs career. His skills are very useful for us and could help us improve to a high level in P2p/F2p. I know his attitude isn't helpful in this situation, but personaly It doesn't bother me, like something that might offend someone, I'd laugh about it so his attitude I can't debate on.

Didn't read the last two posts but I wanted to jump in. He should get a chance, however it is way too much of a coincidence that he mentions raid leader at the end. Wait well after apps are done AND when raid leader has been filled. Then let him join.

I like doing corp beast with him, maybe he will be a cool member? Lul. He impressed me with his skill there. Things that were difficult or rare skills at corp he picked up fairly easily. So I know from that he is a good Runescape player.

100% yes.

only if colin gets auto-iaccepted back to wg and given emeritus/ the rank he wants.

Voted Yes

He is a dedicated old school member, who i think will benefit WG. He can be a bit of a troll at times, but i say we give him another chance.

Yes . . . absolutely YES!!!!

This is not because he can PK or lead or anything other than he is a great person. Steveypants and I have stayed friends for a long time and I'd love him back in WG.

I am not going to try to say he isn't a troll at times but he isn't all that bad most of the time. People try to point out all the bad and overlook all the good. He is very helpful to our members when they ask things in irc or on the forum. I sometimes go to Steve for training advice or whatever I need even for dating stuff.

Does it really matter if he gets the rank of Raid Leader? I don't think it does. So he doesn't have the rank, do you really think he won't be having some input with WG raids/wars or whatever anyway. PK stuff is just part of who Steveypants is.

My only thing is he once mentioned he would leave DI and rejoin WG when he planned on retiring to due our lax standards and the emeritus rank.

Voted Yes, i don't know him personally but i respect the dedication i've heard come from him.

It's above 90%, let him join.

Although, saying that, I think he should have to apply, not just immediately be given guardian.

Full on Intro > Application > Trial Guardian

why the hell not

Stokenut is one of the only pals I've kept throughout all my days in DG/WG from the day I applied 'til now. I can't deny I'd like to have him around.

I voted yes for the following reasons:
When he may seem like a total douchebag and asshole, he's not. It's just his way of telling ppl they are wrong or trying to suggest things. He's actually very nice and good, in his own special way. However I think he should go trough the whole apply process and trial members shouldn't be able to apply for RL because we saw that is 1 bad john. Power hungry people who just go inactive.

I love steve to peices. I would open my arms to him rejoining. Ok you dont want to see him skip anything. That is fair. And your all like 'oh, hes rejoining just to get raid leader'....what you dont understand, is that steve is almost on the same par as Kenshln. He is an epic leader...and it would be an honor, no a privalidge, to raid under him again.....

I like Stokenut.

I said yes, he deserves to be welcomed back after all he has done for WG.

NO!!!!! NONONONONO~ He smells like pee pee.. Like serious, and i met him irl, can't have this!!! Lol pns

Of course i'm totally joking, i think steve's a great guy and i'd like to see him back in WG. The one thing i'm hoping for is that he's not treated like a god and given special rights, like some people *cough Lee cough*.
He should just be treated like a normal member with experience, i really don't wanna see the bias stuff.

I actually can't come to a full decision yet.

changed my vote to no b/c colin won't be given emeritus like he should and since steve has past his 2nd chance.

Rules are rules.

If he rejoins LOL WUT RULES?

NO EXCEPTIONS LOL WHAT?

Yea bull shit, we just play favorites, lordy you played favorites the second you made this topic. Its not allowed by the rules, o dam.

hes a funny faggot,

I like faggots,

YES

Kiwi, I don't understand. Stokenut rejoining is not against any of WGs currently rules. If he wanted to, whether this pole is successful or not, he could. Stoke just wanted to know the clan's opinion on the matter before perhaps ruining a reputation in DI.

I think most people seem in favor of this. Steve is really a cool guy personality wise when he isn't trolling. Just wanted to add that besides me just saying how good at corp he is.

Didn't we have the rule where you can't leave wg more than twice? Stokes left wg more than twice.

I've disliked him ever since he left. But I'm willing to give him a second chance, but I'll never see him in the same light again.

To be honest, the reaction of the clan to this doesnt suprise me at all.

I have no problem with Steve personally. Alot of people think I just hate him, but thats not the fact. The only problem I have with him is when he hurts WG. I know that he personally has a problem with me and thinks im just powerhungry and power abusing, but I try to be reasonable.

I have endless points and I know that I will change nothing seeing most of you have forgotten and made up your mind, but just the thought of him rejoining makes me so tired.

Alot of staff can definitely vouch for this. He treats us like complete and utter shit. I know that alot of the staff remember this, because alot of the abuse was directed towards us.

Remember when everyone left and all we barely had anyone left? Remember when we were all struggling to stay together, when all the Ex-members (well SOME to be fair to the others) were giving us crap?

Am I the only one who remembers the "Ex-members would win" arguement because "all the good ones left?"
How only the power hungry stayed behind cause they were hungry for ranks?
How promoting Lee was a "Desperate move" because everyone else sucked?
How incompetent WG's leadership is and how we wouldnt last even a month?
How much WG went to complete shit while he was so glad he left to join DI?

At every turn, you could see him there. "Harsh love?" A load of utter bullshit. He claims he loves WG and tries to help when he can, but all I've seen is him giving us shit. WG slumps? LOL all the pkers left and all WG has are incompetent powerhungry leaders. WG's first real P2P victory in ages? Oh that clan sucked, you guys were lucky you won. First P2P PKRI in a long time? "Who? Lol you guys were lucky you werent fighting a real clan." Modifications in PvP policy? "Wow WG have gone down the shitter"

Look at some of the previous posts vehemently arguing for his acceptance. I don't mean to be rash since I have a ton of respect for many of you, but ALOT of you weren't around when we got all of our shit.

If any other person gave us as much shit as he did, they would be banned. If anyone could get away with posting posting racist comments on public forums, posting nazi symbols and trolling he can. You know why he was never banned? No one is willing to do it. Even in level 4, there are multiple topics discussing him, the latest one replied to within the last couple of days.

Remember all the ex-members that got banned/demoted/warned? What about stoke? It took him months to lose his ex-member, and that was on a unrelated charge.

Did we also forget hes on 60% warn level, all 60% which were from being outside of WG?

I restrained myself so much. If I really wanted to ban him, there would be countless things I could have done. But even then I knew knew the truth. I could do nothing, because in the end, everyone would forgive and nothing would ultimately happen.

The fact is, hes gotten away with everything, and once again. No one else gets away with that much in WG, and he knows that he can. He even brags about it sometimes, claiming its an "art."

You've got to be fucking joking me.

I have to agree with BTO. I love Stoke and consider him a great guy.
I don't think he should be able to abuse us so much then want to come back like this.
If life in DI is so great why does he want to leave?
What true loyalty has he shown by wanting to come back only to be disillusioned in a few months and leaving again?
It is honestly time to stop the drama llama.
You can't tell me that someone who is basically an adult can't control themselves enough to be civil and to respect other members.
I also remember the time he posted on RSC the semi-nude recruitment and the horrible backlash we got from other clans.
He is a fun guy and people love to be around him but sometimes you have to draw the line if you want to move on.
I honestly feel WG has moved on and this seriously needs to be discussed.
I know from a council standpoint how frustrating he can be to deal with.
I also know how awful it can be to make a decision that people want to jump on with both feet.

I still remember the times he said he would rejoin WG when he planned on becoming inactive because we're more lax than DI.
How bout the times when he did virtually nothing as staff for the second or third time? Or when he KBed everyone?
He always mentions how WG is his bitch and we're nothing without him.

Ditch the bitch, we've done without him and don't need him back with his attitude.

Wow those are some new things I haven't seen before. Makes me rethink my vote a little bit...

dudewut? get his ass back in here already. I love this fool.

I've been here for a while now. Not a long time, but long enough to have been here for the last "collapse" of WG, and knowing what it was like. And so long as he doesn't get staff. I stand by my choice.

It's tricky...

I know what Steve has done for WG...and it's very impressive, but I think he's honestly depending solely on that. He has many friends in WG, and based on that the poll is almost a joke, but something that was necessary.

He has ridden the train of "Look what I've done for WG," for far to long. If he wants in, which I support giving him the chance to do, he should be treated, as if he were totally new to WG, regardless of what he says in his introduction and application. No bias, and if any different treatment, harsher treatment. Lately he's been showing a lot of disrespect to WG and its members (yes, there is bias here because I'm American - but I'm voting yes so do with it what you wish).

Steve walks the line between "good fun" and insults all the time and when he's called out, he runs and hides behind excuses such as "power abuse" and "whining". It's never him. Who can honestly say that he hasn't deserved some of the shit he's received - oh right, he did a lot for WG.

When he applies, because I support giving him the chance, all rules apply. As a trial, if he receives a single warn, he's out, since trials should be on their best behavior.

I like Steve. I'm also tired of the shit he says and does. I'm willing to give him a chance, but I'm not enthusiastic about it at all.

I null'd. Reason being I've always liked stoked, I've known him since old school WG. I used to be able to tolerate his cockiness and stuff but he's like 100% worse now and it's really bothersome. The way he talks it just seems like he thinks hes so much better then everyone and he's got to get overhimself.

Yeah okay your rich but that doesn't make you better then others.

Are you all forgetting what I was like when I left WG?
I was stung by you people and I did my best to put you behind me, tossing remarks about you on RSC.
The Real life meeting in Paris... I completely denied I was associated with WG.

The most dedicated of us act in strange ways on the outside.

the semi nude recruitment thing I found ages befoe steve put on rsc, he just added text.
I think it's hard for me to say anything about the last few years as I was too busy and missed alot of it, but was about when he was there for wg so my opinion is going on that. but people change alot as they grow older and get more mature. I think the very least he deserves a chance, I mean other people have left on bad terms, left at bad times and still been given the oppertunity to rejoin.
On the other hand I don't really read rsc so haven't seen his posts, and am probably going to go inactive again when I return to uni so it will not really effect me as much.

he's been on the sidelines providing sarcastic feedback and nothing to show.

i'm truly interested in seeing how he can pull his words with actions. thus allow him to join but be regarded as a new member. that way if he continues to act as before and not in a manner befitting of a member then its best to let him go.

*just an observation*
the way i read it. he wants to join because he thinks he can change us. there truly is nothing to change but to improve upon what we've developed. if he wants to "change" wg then he's probably started on the wrong foot

Go ahead and do what you want to about the situation Gene. You want him back so make it be so.
We all have our own opinions about how this will shake out, but you are ever the optimist and see good where others don't.

Looks like I'm right again.

Yes. He's earned himself legend status in WG.

Lost sheep is always welcome.

I voted yes and I noted instances in the past where he was a bit caustic but he is not the only one. I am still of the opinion that sooner or later we all need a second chance and it would be appropriate for a family like WG to give someone another opportunity. We all grow and change--hopefully for the better.

I voted no because of what I've seen from him on the forums and in irc. Fights seem to happen most when he comes around. He's a troll. Not to mention, he was jsut demoted to Guest from Ex-Member.

I understand that he's been around forever, bu i have no respect for him personally, and don't see him as a beneficial addition, or re-addition.

That's just me, but you know what they say-first impressions.

If he is allowed to rejoin, I think that he should have to go through the entire process, beginning with an intro, and ending with graduation to Guardian from Trial, with all the rules we have for said process.

If he says anything about hat being unfair or taking too long, etc etc (i.e. "tl;dr"), then this dedication people have talked about obviously isn't what it seems.

No where do I see the mention from the members of the hurt and abuse he has endured from WG. It is not all one sided. When he was in WG I remember seeing a female member twisting and trying to get him banned on purpose. It was her hatred for him that eventually backfired and she became the one not welcome here.

What about when he left over his distress from his personal relationship with a WG member? Does that make him some monster too? I think not.

I realize he is not an angel and I've had my own fight with him in the past. Mostly he is a great guy and just gets misunderstood and judged harshly by members who really haven't taken the time to truly get to know him.

If he is allowed back in and any one has an issue with him, you can come to me and I will help work it out.

No

Quick delete before Stokenut reads this!

*facepalms*

nice touch

lmao

Lol...When promoting someone, search security forums for their name, then move all topics to Level Four@@@@'

lal. I was going to move it, but thought naaaaa ill let steve read it.

THE FAIL IS IMMENSE

Inb4lock

*sighs*