#wg_lobby
(02:27:09) <%Zemus> o hi
(02:28:11) <@His_Lordship> Hi
(02:28:30) <%vephyrus> hi
(02:28:45) <@His_Lordship> Veph you're right
(02:28:52) <+mtoise> no he's vept
(02:28:54) <@His_Lordship> I'm going to ban Mickey for a few months then take it off
(02:29:29) <@His_Lordship> what
(02:29:36) <%Zemus> wat
(02:30:20) <%vephyrus> .gu
(02:30:21) -[KL]RuneScript- *** [ GE UPDATE ]: We last detected a GE update approximately 16 hours 50 minutes 12 seconds ago.
(02:33:45) * +Theevildead2 sighs...
(02:34:08) <%vephyrus> whats wrong?
(02:34:35) <%Zemus> U R WRONG
(02:34:37) <+Theevildead2> As always I seem to disagree
(02:35:01) <%vephyrus> Well ya...but he shouldn't be banned a long time.
(02:35:14) <%vephyrus> Is it the fact that Gene is kinda backtracking on a ban again?
(02:37:45) * +Theevildead2 slaps vephyrus around a bit with a large trout
(02:37:49) * +Theevildead2 points to #wg
(02:38:16) <%vephyrus> Gene get in #wg please
(02:38:23) <%vephyrus> if you want to read the arguement...
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(02:36:28) <+Theevildead2> No its that we're sending the message that its fine to read the private council forums for 3+ months without telling anyone, then only own up WHEN it suits him
(02:37:37) <+Theevildead2> There's a very good reason those forums are COUNCIL only & mickey himself will know that now he has had a good fucking read through them
(02:38:00) <%vephyrus> Did he use that information against us?
(02:38:22) <+Theevildead2> Oh so again, its fine to do stuff as long as its not malicious
(02:38:37) <+Theevildead2> What do we have rules for again?
(02:38:46) <%vephyrus> Well we should have tightened up our security.
(02:39:10) <+Theevildead2> I'd also like to remind people that we wondered why Mark's (aardvarks) info got leaked to DF very quickly, I think we know where it came from now
(02:39:14) <%vephyrus> That was a pretty big oversight having same password for that long on our Robbie's account.
(02:39:55) <+Theevildead2> it wasnt the same password as robbies acc
(02:39:55) <%vephyrus> Ok so we are arguing that he should be banned based off of what premise again? To set an example?
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(02:40:40) <+Theevildead2> That he breached our trust and too 3+ motnhs to own up to it, he obviously knew what he was doing was wrong etc.
(02:40:45) <%vephyrus> sec
(02:40:49) <%vephyrus> ge
(02:40:55) <+Theevildead2> I know I need to get to GE quick too
(02:42:16) <+Theevildead2> It just seems like these days you CANT get banned from WG
(02:42:37) <%vephyrus> Can you prove that he had some sort of malicious intent?
(02:42:48) <+Theevildead2> if you cant get banned for reading lvl 4 when not council WHAT do you get banned for?
(02:44:06) <%vephyrus> Well we are all playing a game. I think we shouldn't overreact to much to this instance. He never had the intent to harm us, yes he commited a major breach of our rules, trust and security. His punishment should be severe, but my point is it should not be forever.
(02:45:13) <%vephyrus> Ban him 4 months. Ban him a year. Set a measurement of how much you think it hurts us and how much of an example you need to make but don't make it permanent. He isn't Mugger, He isn't Dale. He isn't like the other majority in the Hall of Shame that have blatantly disrespected us.
(02:45:33) <+Theevildead2> Vephy, what bigger breach of our trust can their be other than having illegitimate access to the LEADERS forum while an ex member/guest? If he did not have any sort of malicious intent he would have told a council member/robbie as soon as he found out the bug
(02:45:59) <+Theevildead2> Yet he knew what dale does/did, and he still didnt own up when he knew dale had access there as well
(02:46:04) <%vephyrus> So not telling is directly linked to Malicious intent?
(02:46:23) <%vephyrus> Lets go back to my earlier point that this is a game. This is a clan centered on a game.
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(02:47:24) <+Theevildead2> I think yes, knowingly having access to the council forums, anti-spying information & knowing other people have that information who will definitely use it maliciously is enough for a permanent ban
(02:47:25) <%vephyrus> It shouldn't be that severe of a punishment because we are all friends here, he did not backstab us to another clan or leaked our information as far as we know at the moment.(innocent till guilty)
(02:47:42) <+Theevildead2> So why dont we just unban everyone else?
(02:47:55) <%vephyrus> Well I concede the point about Dale, it is almost like secondary murder(lol)
(02:47:58) <+Theevildead2> I mean dale only tried to hack council members, but its only a game so it doesnt really matter?
(02:48:02) <%vephyrus> No, not everyone else.
(02:48:24) <+Theevildead2> mugger was only a really annoying troll who tried to make us look bad on forums related to this game?
(02:48:24) <%vephyrus> Your skewing the point I made that he never had malicious intent to hurt us.
(02:48:30) <%vephyrus> That is what I am saying.
(02:48:41) <+pminogue>
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...topic=10281&hl=(02:48:46) <+Theevildead2> yet he knowingly kept it from us when he knew that dale had access to it as well
(02:48:52) <+pminogue> my fav memory from here so far
(02:48:59) <+Theevildead2> that on its own is unforgivable
(02:49:00) <%vephyrus> It is much more obvious in the case of Dale and Mugger that they
had no respect for this clan at all. If Mickey didn't have any respect he would have said nothing.
(02:49:07) <+Theevildead2> and shows that he doesnt care one bit for WG
(02:49:20) <%vephyrus> Your stretching your points a bit there I think.
(02:49:31) <%vephyrus> How well do you know Mickey?
(02:49:58) <%vephyrus> I think until we figure out the full extent of his betrayal his punishment should be severe but not permanent.
(02:50:15) <+Theevildead2> No, I'm not, He knows Dale is one of WG's arch enemies. If he
knew Dale had access to lvl 4 he knows he should have told us IMMEDIATELY, no ifs or buts, that is inexcusable
(02:50:23) <%vephyrus> A ban of several months, during that time we can figure out how bad the damage is maybe? And maybe what respect he has for us.
(02:50:46) <+Theevildead2> Meh why bother having rules then
(02:50:54) <%vephyrus> Lol
Want to weigh in on this? I'd like some outside opinions.
Some ideas for punishment but less severe than permanent...
(02:58:49) <+pminogue> i think he desrves guest staus
(02:58:50) <+pminogue> no ex mems
(02:58:56) <+pminogue> and 6 months ban
(02:59:00) <+pminogue> no chance returning
(02:59:15) <%vephyrus> ya the punishment will be the thing
(02:59:25) <+pminogue> not allowed to come to any events