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Raging Mage2
By Abmanju on 05/04/2008
Raging Mage2.
Chance to be allowed into Wg again, yes or no?
Please NULL your vote if you do not know him or know what he used to be like before he was banned.
Quoting Hall of Shame:
Raging Mage2: Flamebaited another few members in response to several topics and was banned. Was previously on 80% warn because of this over a period of time. He had been warned previously that if his behaviour did not improve he could be up for a ban.
He was an incredible trouble maker and personally I did not feel secure when he was around, I was afraid he'd flame fragile members and attack them.
I want to know what you guys think.
~Abs
Chance to be allowed into Wg again, yes or no?
Please NULL your vote if you do not know him or know what he used to be like before he was banned.
Quoting Hall of Shame:
Raging Mage2: Flamebaited another few members in response to several topics and was banned. Was previously on 80% warn because of this over a period of time. He had been warned previously that if his behaviour did not improve he could be up for a ban.
He was an incredible trouble maker and personally I did not feel secure when he was around, I was afraid he'd flame fragile members and attack them.
I want to know what you guys think.
~Abs
By Gusmighster on 05/04/2008
Personally, I would give him another chance. It isn't hard to ban him if he messes up.
By chip54321 on 05/04/2008
nulled, but from what i hear i prolly wouldnt have voted yes
By Zlatan83 on 05/04/2008
umm.... no.
and besides, he will just go emeritus and play WoW
and besides, he will just go emeritus and play WoW
By ArSeNaLfAn32 on 05/04/2008
I am only slightly for this, but I voted Yes. From his being in the lobby, I haven't seen any trouble. If we do let him try to join and his attitude comes again, disallow him to enter the clan.
By Buzzard1985 on 05/04/2008
I voted no. He's just too disruptive..
By Mr Death 13 on 05/04/2008
Nulled because he was here before I was. 5-4 in favor of no though...
By Flame5107 on 05/04/2008
nulled i dno who he is
By Mickey on 05/04/2008
It's going to take some thinking for me. It was a while ago I last met him, I don't realy know if he has changed or not. Whwen I ever spoke to him a while ago he seemd ike a bit of a tigh ass guy who thought he was above the world.
EDIT: I'm putting yes because there is no point basing my decision on past events. You never know, he might have changed.
EDIT: I'm putting yes because there is no point basing my decision on past events. You never know, he might have changed.
By Quikdrawjoe on 05/04/2008
He's a scumbag and he backstabbed his own clan, never will I accept him.
By Pyroclastic0 on 05/04/2008
he was a great member a while ago he should be aloud back in to see if he is the same member he was before.
he should at least be given the chance that other members have had
he should at least be given the chance that other members have had
By Yingyang06 on 05/04/2008
You gave job and myself 6+ chances, so why not Raging?
By Indivi2you on 05/04/2008
...
Whoever deleted my post... why?
Anyways, ill repost my opinion.
I think he should be given his last and/or another chance.
For the time he has been gone, he seems that he matured. He's been around for 4 dyads i think, and i haven't seen 1 bad move from him. I've talked to him plenty, haven't noticed 1 bad remark. Also, when he did get banned or kicked, he was only bad for the last few month he was WG. Before that, he seemed fine.
Anyways, it's just what i think.
Whoever deleted my post... why?
Anyways, ill repost my opinion.
I think he should be given his last and/or another chance.
For the time he has been gone, he seems that he matured. He's been around for 4 dyads i think, and i haven't seen 1 bad move from him. I've talked to him plenty, haven't noticed 1 bad remark. Also, when he did get banned or kicked, he was only bad for the last few month he was WG. Before that, he seemed fine.
Anyways, it's just what i think.
By Elyxiatic on 05/04/2008
In casting my vote, I personally remembered the times I had spend with Joel on the aussie raids all so long ago. In the slump period, he was one of 3 (me, joel, jrm) who constantly attended the aussie raids. Such a dedication, I respected him for. He was that member I actually looked up to, when he was around. 98 rc, purple phat. Two things that I would long for while I played rs.
Sure, he may have flame-baited/flamed a few member, however I actually saw none of this. Sure george, he may have flamed you, but look back at what caused this. I hardly doubt it would be out of the blue.
Surely job was given many more chances than joel here, and I strongly believe that joel should be given at least another chance.
Sure, he may have flame-baited/flamed a few member, however I actually saw none of this. Sure george, he may have flamed you, but look back at what caused this. I hardly doubt it would be out of the blue.
Surely job was given many more chances than joel here, and I strongly believe that joel should be given at least another chance.
By Winddancir on 05/04/2008
I saw his posts on the old forums, constant negativity. But I feel I don't know enough about this to give a clear answer on this other than to post my view on it.
Nulled.
Nulled.
By Cameronm123 on 06/04/2008
I talked with him on the irc, i think hes changed.
By Karel Dude on 06/04/2008
Give him another chance.
By Robertw56 on 06/04/2008
I said yes, everyone deserves a second chance, look at Job.....
By Mickey on 06/04/2008
| QUOTE (Mathsnerd18 @ April 05, 2008 09:56 pm) |
| In casting my vote, I personally remembered the times I had spend with Joel on the aussie raids all so long ago. In the slump period, he was one of 3 (me, joel, jrm) who constantly attended the aussie raids. Such a dedication, I respected him for. He was that member I actually looked up to, when he was around. 98 rc, purple phat. Two things that I would long for while I played rs. Sure, he may have flame-baited/flamed a few member, however I actually saw none of this. Sure george, he may have flamed you, but look back at what caused this. I hardly doubt it would be out of the blue. Surely job was given many more chances than joel here, and I strongly believe that joel should be given at least another chance. |
But he went off to play wow and left WG. Wow, thats dedication -.-
By Elyxiatic on 06/04/2008
| QUOTE (Maddness990 @ April 06, 2008 10:05 am) | ||
But he went off to play wow and left WG. Wow, thats dedication -.- |
You sum all the dedication I saw in 10 words?
"He left wg and went to play wow"
People change, they can't always be the same. Even me, a couple of months ago was going to quit wg. I sold my whole bank, wrote a leaving post, and looked forward to a future without as much rs. So I have no dedication to wg too?
You can't expect people to stick with 1 game year after year. Now I reckon joel played rs for a lot longer than you have (comparing the stats). Now, 2 years from now, even you may want to quit + play another game. Will I judge you then? No. I would be happy knowing whatever choice you made kept you, yourself happy. I wouldn't criticize if you tried to come back to wg 1 year after that. I would accept you with welcoming arms.
The only difference in joel's case, is that he had a few run ins with members previous to this. Forgive + forget I say, not repetitively, as in jobs case, but at least welcome him back without a grudge against him, or even that thought in the back of your mind that you still may hate him, for flaming you all those months back.
A lot of you post on this topic, however, none of you know the time I speak of, maybe bar snowzak/dz + some older members. When wg was in the slump, he would continuously turn up to raids week after week. Even though we only pulled <20 opts to some. If you were in his case, what would you do? There was such a high risk back then of running into df, or another clan with at least 50 opts, which would continuously own us. Not a very positive image of the raids, you lost set after set, but he still turned up to them.
Yeah he may have changed, but for better or for worse I don't know as yet + I'd like to give him time to show us.
By Mickey on 06/04/2008
I voted yes anyway. And I've played rs for 6 years. Don't judge how long i've played on my stats because I did have another account at level 92 which got hacked.
By Elyxiatic on 06/04/2008
| QUOTE (Maddness990 @ April 06, 2008 11:07 am) |
| I voted yes anyway. And I've played rs for 6 years. Don't judge how long i've played on my stats because I did have another account at level 92 which got hacked. |
How long you played isn't the topic of the argument.
However, what I meant by that point was basically:
"How do you know you're not going to go to another game in 2 years?".
Sorry for accusing you of playing < 3 years.
My mistake.
By Snowzak on 06/04/2008
I'm against the "giving x amount of chances" policy. Raging is a person that has been given over fifteen chances BEFORE being banned.
I'm strongly opposed to his return - he'll bring nothing good to WG aside from one more inactive emeritus. Let him be Ex-Member if he wishes, that's all he deserves.
I'm strongly opposed to his return - he'll bring nothing good to WG aside from one more inactive emeritus. Let him be Ex-Member if he wishes, that's all he deserves.
By Squelchyfish on 06/04/2008
Lol his last flame before the ban was to me. I hate him and my vote was no. We have enough good members to have the liberty of denying trolls 2nd chances.
| QUOTE |
| Whoever deleted my post... why? |
Lol someone does that to me alot. I think people delete them if your opinions conflict with theirs.
Never happened before the moderator rank...
By Pseudomage0 on 06/04/2008
I say no, because you never know if he will flame again or so on. THis could affect the way recruits look at us if someone flames them. so i say no to this
By T Dwag on 07/04/2008
He was a good member and with WG for a long time. He can be very dedicated and a great asset. As long as he has good behavior he is an overall great member.
I voted yes.
Brandon
I voted yes.
Brandon
By Jrm 04 on 07/04/2008
Come on guys, Joel is an awesome person!
Abs, your post is bias in some way, all negatives? Give the guy some credit, he was an excellent member before he tumbled down hill. He was an active raider, a constant and polite person in IRC and very friendly. In my opinion, he was a fit Raid Leader.
I believe what might of caused the bad behavior of Raging was the fact that he didn't get Raid Leader, this lead to some negative feelings. Then, he got hooked by WoW, which probably added to his 'I-don't-care' attitude towards the clan.
Guys, give him another chance, you don't know Joel like I do.
Abs, your post is bias in some way, all negatives? Give the guy some credit, he was an excellent member before he tumbled down hill. He was an active raider, a constant and polite person in IRC and very friendly. In my opinion, he was a fit Raid Leader.
I believe what might of caused the bad behavior of Raging was the fact that he didn't get Raid Leader, this lead to some negative feelings. Then, he got hooked by WoW, which probably added to his 'I-don't-care' attitude towards the clan.
Guys, give him another chance, you don't know Joel like I do.
By Karel Dude on 07/04/2008
If Joel doesn't get a second chance, then explain how Job got 4-5, committing much worse offenses.
By Mickey on 07/04/2008
| QUOTE (Karel Dude @ April 07, 2008 01:26 pm) |
| If Joel doesn't get a second chance, then explain how Job got 4-5, committing much worse offenses. |
Like Snow said, he's had about 8 chances already. I think that is more than Job.
Let people make there own decisions.
~Madd
By Jendy on 07/04/2008
I never had a problem with Joel before so I voted yes but I may have just not seen it. I didn't have any problems with him when I was a mod that I remember either. He can be a bit mouthy on occasion but personally I think most teenagers are like that. 
By Pazenon on 07/04/2008
He flamed me in #wg_lobby in my first week in WG, gave me the sense of not being welcomed to the clan.
You can't know what to expect from him.
You can't know what to expect from him.
By Spicy63 on 07/04/2008
Yes, thought he did have bad traits I do tihnk his others over ruled them.
I've known him for over a year now and believe he can do well.
I've known him for over a year now and believe he can do well.
By Kiwi011 on 07/04/2008
| QUOTE (Indivi2you @ April 05, 2008 09:36 pm) |
| ... Whoever deleted my post... why? |
same has been happening to me. Can a council member check the mod logs to see who's deleting the posts?
But on a further note. I nulled but leaned more towards the no side. he was cool way back, but then he just started to be like mocha, maybe worse and was pretty much totally negative and hoped he would get kicked.
Another chance? well everyone deserves one i guess no matter what if it wasn't horrible.. but well thats why i nulled, conflicted feelings.
By Tnuac on 07/04/2008
Again, without the past evidence its hard to come up with an accurate justification. Its just guesswork (and I have a bad memory)
He really did turn bad in recent times. He looked like he was almost possessed; he seemed to me as an immature version of rick.
People can turn around after 8th time, its possible, just less likely. Its not really hard to ban him, just treat him with less tolerance (no its not favouritism, its intended bias which is fairly moulded).
In all, I feel he should be given another chance. Its only a game, give him another shot. New surroundings can bring about new effects.
He really did turn bad in recent times. He looked like he was almost possessed; he seemed to me as an immature version of rick.
People can turn around after 8th time, its possible, just less likely. Its not really hard to ban him, just treat him with less tolerance (no its not favouritism, its intended bias which is fairly moulded).
In all, I feel he should be given another chance. Its only a game, give him another shot. New surroundings can bring about new effects.
By Back to Own on 07/04/2008
I say give him a chance. He was a great member in my early days. Who knows? He might have changed. If you have any doubts, stick him on a high warning level and let his behavior decide how it will change.
And for those he said he "ditched" WG for WoW, think of the other people that left WG for their own reasons. Were Cody and Jon not dedicated? Can you think of people who left WG who were great members themselves? With that reasoning, I would be considered disloyal and undedicated to WG when I temporarily quit because of the wilderness updates.
Give him a chance. With all the time hes dedicated to WG, no one can say that he doesnt deserve another chance.
And for those he said he "ditched" WG for WoW, think of the other people that left WG for their own reasons. Were Cody and Jon not dedicated? Can you think of people who left WG who were great members themselves? With that reasoning, I would be considered disloyal and undedicated to WG when I temporarily quit because of the wilderness updates.
Give him a chance. With all the time hes dedicated to WG, no one can say that he doesnt deserve another chance.
By Ranma344 on 07/04/2008
| QUOTE (Abmanju @ April 05, 2008 12:29 pm) |
| Raging Mage2. Chance to be allowed into Wg again, yes or no? Please NULL your vote if you do not know him or know what he used to be like before he was banned. Quoting Hall of Shame: Raging Mage2: Flamebaited another few members in response to several topics and was banned. Was previously on 80% warn because of this over a period of time. He had been warned previously that if his behaviour did not improve he could be up for a ban. He was an incredible trouble maker and personally I did not feel secure when he was around, I was afraid he'd flame fragile members and attack them. I want to know what you guys think. ~Abs |
you know damn well he wasn't that much worse than me.. lol
By Kiwi011 on 08/04/2008
| QUOTE (Ranma344 @ April 07, 2008 11:57 pm) | ||
you know damn well he wasn't that much worse than me.. lol |
ranma, he was way worse than you. You had your days, but he had his months.
By Tmal34 on 08/04/2008
There were times when he showed promise of being a good member.
I think he should be given a final shot.
I think he should be given a final shot.
By Valdremia on 08/04/2008
He has his temperaments, but who doesn't? To the most I can remember, he can be playful maybe even naughty but most of all he's very dedicative.
I remembered him sticking by especially during the low times. It counts more than all the yadda-yaddas, especially purely yaddas during high times only. I was aware he has not been in his best behaviour sometime later of last year.
But he is really not someone with a lot of words and long speech. But he likes to make short good points. If you read good into it, you could understand. And for that, there could be reasons of why he could have reacted and behaved the way he had. But it doesn't mean he's not of material.
You cannot judge based on just his recent actions because he has shown dedications of sincerity when WG needed it most at the lowest times not highs. And maybe, while he might flame, perhaps it depends on who it was in the first place - deserve it or not? And even if you don't, was it personal? Being nice all the time don't make you a saint. It's you and why - not always Mr. Nice Guy. Can be very nice indeed for the sake of it. You like that?
And I know him to be a good member even throughout my entire active period here. Sure, he has his rants. So? Don't we all do. Just that we expressed differently or even with audacities and rudeness. And the intention?
He's a good fella who happens to have his times. In general, he deserves this chance. Unless, he has proven beyond any doubt he cannot be trusted without a doubt, changed entirely - there's nothing more to say.
Always easy to kick anyone, but not always able to keep someone.
I remembered him sticking by especially during the low times. It counts more than all the yadda-yaddas, especially purely yaddas during high times only. I was aware he has not been in his best behaviour sometime later of last year.
But he is really not someone with a lot of words and long speech. But he likes to make short good points. If you read good into it, you could understand. And for that, there could be reasons of why he could have reacted and behaved the way he had. But it doesn't mean he's not of material.
You cannot judge based on just his recent actions because he has shown dedications of sincerity when WG needed it most at the lowest times not highs. And maybe, while he might flame, perhaps it depends on who it was in the first place - deserve it or not? And even if you don't, was it personal? Being nice all the time don't make you a saint. It's you and why - not always Mr. Nice Guy. Can be very nice indeed for the sake of it. You like that?
And I know him to be a good member even throughout my entire active period here. Sure, he has his rants. So? Don't we all do. Just that we expressed differently or even with audacities and rudeness. And the intention?
He's a good fella who happens to have his times. In general, he deserves this chance. Unless, he has proven beyond any doubt he cannot be trusted without a doubt, changed entirely - there's nothing more to say.
Always easy to kick anyone, but not always able to keep someone.
By Abmanju on 08/04/2008
It's Tuesday. The Voting is over & Raging is given another chance. Majority of the clan thinks that Raging should be given another chance 
. Therefore Raging will get his chance.
However, when that Warning Log exceeds 80%, he won't be back. That's 5 Chances, and 5 chances to redeem himself if he commits any "crime".
~Abs
. Therefore Raging will get his chance.However, when that Warning Log exceeds 80%, he won't be back. That's 5 Chances, and 5 chances to redeem himself if he commits any "crime".
~Abs
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