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[Recap] "F2P War" (tank practice)_[Updated]
By DZ on 02/12/2009
Yeah the war against DW that was posted was a lure to get a good turnout to a a war practice event. If your going to get angry at anyone for tricking you all like that get mad at and talk with me. It was my idea and Lee helped me out by hosting.
Instead of having the F2P war like advertised, we went up to GDs in the safe FFA arena and had our practice:
- We had two snipers, Randy and I who were to hit any hybrids we saw.
- When the hybrids were hit by us they were to put on their rune, and the snipers would move to another target.
- Lee would order WG to DD, we did, and Lee would call out a pile, WG was to attack/bind that person.
- The person who was selected to be piled (at random might I add) was to tank around the area until death.
Overall I was very pleased with the turn out, I guarantee we would have not been able to get this kind of a turnout if it were advertised as a war practice and not a war itself. We probably won't trick you guys again so don't worry.
Lots of things can be worked on,
- Hybrids have to put their rune on much faster when being sniped. Randy and I almost KOed some of you, imagine a full sniper force on you.
- Our spam has to keep up all the time. Yeah whatever it's a practice, that doesn't matter. Never stop spamming in game.
- Binds were really good for the most part, now if everyone would bind to every F2P fight we get we would be golden.
Attendance:
If you are not in the attendance picture let us know.
Thank you to everyone who attended.
Instead of having the F2P war like advertised, we went up to GDs in the safe FFA arena and had our practice:
- We had two snipers, Randy and I who were to hit any hybrids we saw.
- When the hybrids were hit by us they were to put on their rune, and the snipers would move to another target.
- Lee would order WG to DD, we did, and Lee would call out a pile, WG was to attack/bind that person.
- The person who was selected to be piled (at random might I add) was to tank around the area until death.
Overall I was very pleased with the turn out, I guarantee we would have not been able to get this kind of a turnout if it were advertised as a war practice and not a war itself. We probably won't trick you guys again so don't worry.
Lots of things can be worked on,
- Hybrids have to put their rune on much faster when being sniped. Randy and I almost KOed some of you, imagine a full sniper force on you.
- Our spam has to keep up all the time. Yeah whatever it's a practice, that doesn't matter. Never stop spamming in game.
- Binds were really good for the most part, now if everyone would bind to every F2P fight we get we would be golden.
Attendance:
If you are not in the attendance picture let us know.
Thank you to everyone who attended.
By Lee on 02/12/2009
Yea, I know who left, and logged btw. So I will be having words.
By Sxe Asher on 02/12/2009
This was fun 
By Back to Own on 02/12/2009
Gotta keep that spam up, especially if you guys still want to do well in P2P.
Learn to type with one hand, its easier than you guys think (W+G+Enter with left hand).
Learn to type with one hand, its easier than you guys think (W+G+Enter with left hand).
By Jayson on 03/12/2009
its true we wouldnt have gotten that attendance for a tank practice, thats what made it so useful.
and yea, we need to keep up the spam, the spam towers are VERY intimidating
and yea, we need to keep up the spam, the spam towers are VERY intimidating
By Kung Man149 on 03/12/2009
guys this event was lots of fun but lying to us isnt a way to get us out there y'know
By Quikdrawjoe on 03/12/2009
I chased a bus for two blocks trying to get back in time 
By Back to Own on 03/12/2009
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I chased a bus for two blocks trying to get back in time
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Why didnt you do something NH like steal a persons car?
By Chimpy on 03/12/2009
Gained
By Sxe Asher on 03/12/2009
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guys this event was lots of fun but lying to us isnt a way to get us out there y'know |
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I agree but it wasn't as if its a weekly thing where Lee lies about wars just to get practices. It was a one time thing that left a message to all of us.
By Dallar on 03/12/2009
I think it was a great way of doing it. It was somehow mandatory and we would never have gotten so many people to join it if we told em it was a practise..
By Dallar on 03/12/2009
I have successfully updated the attendance of this Event. The new attendance can be found here:
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/attendance/main.php
Thank you,
~The Staff
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/attendance/main.php
Thank you,
~The Staff
By Boogers102 on 03/12/2009
Sounds like a good turnout, sorry I couldnt make it, I was asleep, havn't been feeling well the past couple days. =\
By Kwaichi on 03/12/2009
Bad joke.
But i have to admit it did the trick
Not bad turnout, but if it were really a foul out vs DW, i think we wont have enaugh ppl to outnumber them.
Sorry i dced in the middle, some local netrwork problem.
Nice practise anyway.
But i have to admit it did the trick
Not bad turnout, but if it were really a foul out vs DW, i think we wont have enaugh ppl to outnumber them.
Sorry i dced in the middle, some local netrwork problem.
Nice practise anyway.
By Snowzak on 03/12/2009
Nice and effective lure, but tis a one-time thing, the pull actually wasn't bad for a 1 day prep. 
By rachellove9 on 03/12/2009
I came late. Lee had warned us that he might do this. 
I was sick so I probably would of skipped had it been listed as practice.
I was sick so I probably would of skipped had it been listed as practice. By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
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Yeah the war against DW that was posted was a lure to get a good turnout to a a war practice event. |
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Last time I arranged a similar event and disguised it as an official war for a better turnout, I was High Council of another clan and got forced to step down and leave the clan because of it.
I was out at the time but if I had showed up and found out it was a lure for another event I would have left without a second thought and sent a complaint to the top ranks myself. I don't think anyone wants to be in a clan where the ranks can lie to the members about what an event is just for a better turnout.
By ThisIsUnique on 03/12/2009
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Last time I arranged a similar event and disguised it as an official war for a better turnout, I was High Council of another clan and got forced to step down and leave the clan because of it. I was out at the time but if I had showed up and found out it was a lure for another event I would have left without a second thought and sent a complaint to the top ranks myself. I don't think anyone wants to be in a clan where the ranks can lie to the members about what an event is just for a better turnout. |
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That is something you're wrong about. People would just skip if it was war practice
and i want spam wg cuz im left handed using mouse
i spam like m m or sumthing L
By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
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That is something you're wrong about. People would just skip if it was war practice and i want spam wg cuz im left handed using mouse i spam like m m or sumthing L |
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That is true but the staff lying straight out to members about what events are being hosted isn't the way to solve that problem.
By ThisIsUnique on 03/12/2009
The practice was important tho
By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
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The practice was important tho |
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I would get into a whole cwa practices are useless in PvP debate but in any case the bottom line is staff should not lie to members for any reason.
By mtoise on 03/12/2009
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I would get into a whole cwa practices are useless in PvP debate but in any case the bottom line is staff should not lie to members for any reason. |
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It's not like the members lie to officials to skip war practises is it
XXXXXX: War Practise Mass W 27 now
*******: Oh sorry man my Dog just died
******* has logged out
1 hour later.
!track ******* @1hour:
Runescript: ******* has gained 45,121 Attack xp
By Lee on 03/12/2009
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That is true but the staff lying straight out to members about what events are being hosted isn't the way to solve that problem. |
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Well trust me, we have tried everything. And well, if people think it was bad and stuff, send me your grievences. If anyone has that much of an issue with it, ill step down. Simple.
By Frozen_10 on 03/12/2009
Mhe, I dced. 
I understand why you guys did this, but Imo isn't this the way to get a good turnout.
I mean, people may cancel things irl or other stuff.
Anyway, I'd love to see more practice events like this, but not in a lure.
I understand why you guys did this, but Imo isn't this the way to get a good turnout.
I mean, people may cancel things irl or other stuff.
Anyway, I'd love to see more practice events like this, but not in a lure.
By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
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Well trust me, we have tried everything. And well, if people think it was bad and stuff, send me your grievences. If anyone has that much of an issue with it, ill step down. Simple. |
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@mtoise - Lol. Well if the staff can lie to the members about the event, the members should be able to lie about why they're not coming. But to be fair, training 45k attack xp is more productive than a cwa practice for some people.
@Lee - Yes, I have an issue with 1) Hosting a war practice in CWA which is counterproductive anyway and 2) The staff valuing event turnouts over honesty to their members, and from the looks of things I'm not the only one. I could not attend at the time so it is of no loss to me, and I know the activity issues WG is experiencing but I honestly did not expect the staff to do something like this. I shall take the matter up with Gene when he returns and we'll see how things progress. For the moment I would expect that the events we host from now on are what the hosts say they are.
By mtoise on 03/12/2009
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@mtoise - Lol. Well if the staff can lie to the members about the event, the members should be able to lie about why they're not coming. But to be fair, training 45k attack xp is more productive than a cwa practice for some people. @Lee - Yes, I have an issue with 1) Hosting a war practice in CWA which is counterproductive anyway and 2) The staff valuing event turnouts over honesty to their members, and from the looks of things I'm not the only one. I could not attend at the time so it is of no loss to me, and I know the activity issues WG is experiencing but I honestly did not expect the staff to do something like this. I shall take the matter up with Gene when he returns and we'll see how things progress. For the moment I would expect that the events we host from now on are what the hosts say they are. |
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So given your recent training I guess you've been spending tonnes of time at CW practising.
By Randy on 03/12/2009
You'll get over it when we start winning.
By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
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So given your recent training I guess you've been spending tonnes of time at CW practising. |
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No, I simply haven't been doing either. I have an overloaded College course as well as a social life and while I meet WG's reqs I prefer to spend minimal time on RuneScape which is non-event-based. CWA is a great example of a waste of my time because it has no productivity whatsoever in terms of training besides inferior amounts of xp.
By Sxe Asher on 03/12/2009
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No, I simply haven't been doing either. I have an overloaded College course as well as a social life and while I meet WG's reqs I prefer to spend minimal time on RuneScape which is non-event-based. CWA is a great example of a waste of my time because it has no productivity whatsoever in terms of training besides inferior amounts of xp. |
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To be honest, I think a lot of you are overreacting.
Its not as if Lee has a bad history of lying to us about events. As far as I know and can tell, this is the FIRST TIME it happened in a long time, if not forever. Plus, Lee was sort of upset that he had to lie to us which means that he most likely will not do it again.
Second, for those who are saying that they prefer turnouts over honesty, I think you need to calm down and relax. The leaders just wanted to show us that many members would not come to a War Practice. I think they made their point by how many people were able to come to the practice on a weekday.
Also, every WG is event is important. If I remember correctly (If I'm wrong, please say so), there is a rule that if you are on at the time of the event, you are suppose to come. Are you saying that if this wasn't a war, you wouldn't have bothered to come because it wasn't "important enough"? Every event is important to this clan, because it shows not only our members, but other clans as well, that WG is an active and strong clan.
Lee did what he had to in order to show all of us how to improve. I think we should take this experience as a lesson and try to improve, rather than complaining that Lee "betrayed our trust".
Thats just my two cents.
By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2009
I'll end the quote pyramid for convenience.
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Its not as if Lee has a bad history of lying to us about events. As far as I know and can tell, this is the FIRST TIME it happened in a long time, if not forever. Plus, Lee was sort of upset that he had to lie to us which means that he most likely will not do it again. |
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The "I'm sorry, it won't happen again" response. Nice.
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Second, for those who are saying that they prefer turnouts over honesty, I think you need to calm down and relax. The leaders just wanted to show us that many members would not come to a War Practice. I think they made their point by how many people were able to come to the practice on a weekday. |
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Oh, so instead of lying to us for a better turnout they lie to prove a point? Love it. This is not a situation where you can say "calm down and relax" and pretend honesty between members and ranks doesn't play a huge part in WG.
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Also, every WG is event is important. If I remember correctly (If I'm wrong, please say so), there is a rule that if you are on at the time of the event, you are suppose to come. Are you saying that if this wasn't a war, you wouldn't have bothered to come because it wasn't "important enough"? Every event is important to this clan, because it shows not only our members, but other clans as well, that WG is an active and strong clan. |
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"All PKing and non-PKing events are, of course, optional attendance" - straight out of Gene's mouth. From the rules:
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You May Refuse To Attend An Event * All events are optional, with one minor exception. You must attend wars/raids/PKRIs unless you are occupied in real life. If you are occupied in real life, you have to at least post on the sign-up sheet saying so. (I.e. - If you are online in RuneScape, you are required to come to whatever war/pkri/raid is on at the time.) |
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I could argue that a cwa practice is nowhere near as important as a full-out war, as is in many cases, but how important the event is to WG and to the rest of the clan world is irrelevant. Our members have the right to know exactly what event is happening and how they should prioritize it.
This also clears up that any members who left the event when realising it was not as it had been announced did not break any rules, as a practice does not classify as a war, raid or PKRI.
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Lee did what he had to in order to show all of us how to improve. I think we should take this experience as a lesson and try to improve, rather than complaining that Lee "betrayed our trust". |
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Really? What did he show us, besides the fact that more WG come to official wars than CWA practices which is blatiantly obvious? How can we improve? Tell the ranks to lie ALL THE TIME about the events we host?
The reason the turnout was good was because every WG member subconciously believes two things:
- That a full-out war in PvP is the event which has the most profound effect on the clan in every way - to the staff, the members and the rest of the clan world - and requires every single drop of dedication and effort to set time aside, show up and give the most from start to finish to obtain the best result possible, both physically and psychologically.
- And that the leadership would not abuse this quality to obtain a better turnout, or worse, make a point.
WG is not the clan to even consider something like this, much less try and cover up the response they knew was going to come with "Calm down and relax".
By Sxe Asher on 03/12/2009
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I'll end the quote pyramid for convenience.
The "I'm sorry, it won't happen again" response. Nice.
Oh, so instead of lying to us for a better turnout they lie to prove a point? Love it. This is not a situation where you can say "calm down and relax" and pretend honesty between members and ranks doesn't play a huge part in WG.
"All PKing and non-PKing events are, of course, optional attendance" - straight out of Gene's mouth. From the rules:
I could argue that a cwa practice is nowhere near as important as a full-out war, as is in many cases, but how important the event is to WG and to the rest of the clan world is irrelevant. Our members have the right to know exactly what event is happening and how they should prioritize it. This also clears up that any members who left the event when realising it was not as it had been announced did not break any rules, as a practice does not classify as a war, raid or PKRI.
Really? What did he show us, besides the fact that more WG come to official wars than CWA practices which is blatiantly obvious? How can we improve? Tell the ranks to lie ALL THE TIME about the events we host? The reason the turnout was good was because every WG member subconciously believes two things: - That a full-out war in PvP is the event which has the most profound effect on the clan in every way - to the staff, the members and the rest of the clan world - and requires every single drop of dedication and effort to set time aside, show up and give the most from start to finish to obtain the best result possible, both physically and psychologically. - And that the leadership would not abuse this quality to obtain a better turnout, or worse, make a point. WG is not the clan to even consider something like this, much less try and cover up the response they knew was going to come with "Calm down and relax". |
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True they may have lied to us, but how many of you do honestly not trust the leaders anymore?
I still trust them 100% and I'm sure everyone else does, but they are just upset about being lied to once.
By ThisIsUnique on 03/12/2009
Closed, moved into general matters because this isn't about the recap
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...ST&f=27&t=15247
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...ST&f=27&t=15247
By Lee on 03/12/2009
Opened quickly just to add, take it to Gene, im sure he will understand Keanu. Like I said, if anyone other than you, have an issue, ill step down. Maybe you think you could do my job better? Lets see you return 50 times a fight.
By DZ on 03/12/2009
Yet another issue that gets pointlessly blown way out of proportion 
Like I stated in the post if you want to discuss what happened you do so with me.
Like I stated in the post if you want to discuss what happened you do so with me.
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