Ok, this REALLY has to stop.

maybe you should start with staff

also heard george was playing trav during the pk

Well I was gonna rape you but since your Emeritus you're half let off the hook. But honestly even if it is boring for YOU stay for the sake of the CLAN. United we stand, Divided we fall. Hard to unite when everybody leaves because they're bored.

More people know me right now more than they know you. If you think that you're some sort of god figure because you were a good member awhile ago then good for you.

I'm sorry almighty one, I'm sorry for expressing my opinion, I obviously must have stepped out of line. I should've known that leaving a raid because you're bored is a valid reason, sorry almighty father o' mine.

Nah, people are pixel huggers wherever they get killed.

When they get killed they LOSE their pixels so your argument is invalid

But really, when we started going to shallow and taking on clans miles bigger than us with safe zones in every other direction, it did get a bit boring.

Surely you jest?

Yeah, I worded that wrong. I can't even think of what exactly I wanted to find out when I asked that. FUCK.

Erm... what's the overall purpose of a raid? That one's a bit better.

The purpose is to have fun.

But it's more fun with more people.

So short-term fun is coming to the raid, medium-term fun is returning, long-term fun is repeating short-term and medium-term fun a lot to recruit more members and have more fun.

Half? I count 4 out of 28 posts, and if that's "spamming the shit out of" a topic, we're all fucked. At least mine weren't either "I agree" or an excuse for leaving early.

This doesn't work at all. Some raids aren't even 2 hours long.

What if someone can stay for an hour and 45 minutes? do they not deserve the attendance? What about an hour and a half?

I'll keep that in mind Jen <3

I agree with Asher (for once lmao), a set duration for attendance points on raids (or anything for that matter) isn't the solution. We need to rethink the events first, as I said before - we lost attendance after we changed the style of the raid and stopped catering for what the members want to do to have fun and enjoy themselves.

Fighting NI fairly deep when there's a good chance of ownage, a semi-decent opponent and the opportunity to get some good drops is something I'd be more than willing to sacrifice a few sets for. Fighting huge clans down in shallow with single and safe spots everywhere I'm not so keen on. Maybe others think the same?

I agree with Keanu on the point that events aren't really doing what is fun. Unless we've got the options, we can't hold ourselves in the low levels of the wilderness because people our level will be able to tank us long enough to teleport out or eat up and get to a safespot. There isn't any fun in running between BH and CWA for two hours getting maybe five kills.

The problem then lies in the fact that that scenario is what people think of when you said "raid". So people think up a reason to not go and then the raid can't actually go any deeper because there aren't enough people.

I remember a system we used back in the day, where if we didn't get enough people, the entire event was canceled. We'd mass up in Edgeville, and then the event would get called off because we didn't have 20 people there. We didn't want to have to hunt level 10 wilderness because the chance of escape is large because a single mistake is fatal. Instead we either went deep, or stayed out.

I think we should employ that system, and see how it works, even if for just a few events. Start hosting raids, and calling them off if not enough people show up. The people who always attend will get the short end of the stick here, yes, but we already know their hearts are in the right place, and I'd hope they'd understand what the system is meant to do. Then people who so graciously make the time for WG will start to get frustrated, at which point they'll understand how the first group felt EVERY raid - getting ready for basically nothing. The goal is to get enough people to realize that they actually ARE hurting the clan by not attending events, because as it stands there is no clear repercussion for skipping an event. Maybe a verbal or forum warning, but that's just to the individual. If they start to see events getting canceled because there aren't enough people, they'll know it was them and one of two things will happen:
1) They change because they feel guilty
2) They leave because they feel guilty

Both are in WG's interest.