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Changes to gear requirements

By Quikdrawjoe on 14/12/2009
The current requirements are:

CODE

Teamcape 9 - 20
Amulet of Glory - 10
Shark - 300
Anchovy Pizzas - 300
Spirit Terrorbird Pouches - 100
Leather Boots - 30
Amulets of Power - 30
Saradomin Brews - 30
Super Restore Potion - 20
Prayer Potion - 30
Water Runes - 3k
Nature Runes - 2k
Earth Runes - 3k
Red Chinchompas - 300
Full Rune (kite and granite interchangeable) + Scimitar - 10 (not as many plates required)
Helm of Nietiznot - 5
Dragon Dagger (p++) OR D Scim - 5
Dragon Spear - 3 (optional, but highly recommended)
Superset - 20
Rune Gloves (Recipe for Disaster required) - 10
Games Necklace - 20


With the choice of either mage and/or range. I instead recommend mage be required and people can choose to also have range. Along with that the current gear reqs be changed to:
CODE

Teamcape 9 - 20
Amulet of Glory - 10
Shark - 300
Anchovy Pizzas - 300
Spirit Terrorbird Pouches - [color=red]50[/color]
Leather Boots - 30
Amulets of Power - 30
Saradomin Brews - 30
Super Restore Potion - 20
Prayer Potion - 30
Water Runes - 3k
Nature Runes - 2k
Earth Runes - 3k
Red Chinchompas - 300
Full Rune (kite and granite interchangeable) + Scimitar - 10 (not as many plates required)
Helm of Nietiznot - 5
Dragon Dagger (p++) OR D Scim - 5
Dragon Spear - 3 (optional, but highly recommended)
Superset - 20
Rune Gloves (Recipe for Disaster required) - 10
Games Necklace - 20


And for the new required mage:
CODE

Full Mystic OR Splitbark Mage Armour - [color=red]10[/color]
Ancient Staff - [color=red]10[/color]
Death Runes - 1k
Blood Runes - 1k
Water Runes - Additional 3k on top of amount required for all members (6k in total)
Air Runes - 3k
any f2p staff - 10
Wizard Top - 10
[s]Wizard Hat - 10[/s]
[color=red]Monk bottom OR uncharged fog bottom - 10[/color]



By Randy on 14/12/2009
Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

By Quikdrawjoe on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   WG_KR
December 14, 2009 02:03 am

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.


The current requirements say
QUOTE   His Lordship
July 29, 2009 03:38 am


From the three fighting styles, EVERYONE must have tank gear (ie. Melee). You also MUST hybrid, so pick one or both of the two remaining styles.


Two remaining styles being mage or range.

By Sxe Asher on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   WG_KR @ December 13, 2009 09:03 pm)

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

By Randy on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Sxe Asher @ December 13, 2009 10:05 pm)

QUOTE   WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:03 pm

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

What's with everyone in WG calling themselves worthless?

If you're low mage, train.
If you're low combat, train.

We can't have people with such low stats that they can't even do the fundamentals of pking, which in this case is freezing them.

By Lee on 14/12/2009
U need 82 mage for blitz, its fucking easy...

By Quikdrawjoe on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Leecable @ December 14, 2009 02:13 am)

U need 82 mage for blitz, its fucking easy...

If Lee can do it so can you! thumbsup.gif

By Planolocal on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   WG_KR @ December 13, 2009 09:08 pm)

QUOTE   Sxe Asher
December 13, 2009 10:05 pm

               
             
QUOTE  WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:03 pm

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

What's with everyone in WG calling themselves worthless?

If you're low mage, train.
If you're low combat, train.

We can't have people with such low stats that they can't even do the fundamentals of pking, which in this case is freezing them.

Not everyone has the money to train mage. It's expensive as shit.

By Quikdrawjoe on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Planolocal @ December 14, 2009 02:18 am)

QUOTE   WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:08 pm

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 13, 2009 10:05 pm

               
             
QUOTE  WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:03 pm

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

What's with everyone in WG calling themselves worthless?

If you're low mage, train.
If you're low combat, train.

We can't have people with such low stats that they can't even do the fundamentals of pking, which in this case is freezing them.

Not everyone has the money to train mage. It's expensive as shit.

Link

Free magic exp guide. Also, Soul Wars, Pest Control, making your own runes

By God Reports on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   WG_KR @ December 13, 2009 09:08 pm)

QUOTE   Sxe Asher
December 13, 2009 10:05 pm

               
             
QUOTE  WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:03 pm

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

What's with everyone in WG calling themselves worthless?

If you're low mage, train.
If you're low combat, train.

We can't have people with such low stats that they can't even do the fundamentals of pking, which in this case is freezing them.

Remember our level requirements. If there is such an issue then raise them.

By Nick on 14/12/2009
I would mage if it is needed. Look at my combat level.

Combat levels are nothing. Grow some balls and die. You can't always survive.

By Sxe Asher on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Quikdrawjoe @ December 13, 2009 09:20 pm)

QUOTE   Planolocal
December 14, 2009 02:18 am

               
             
QUOTE  WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:08 pm

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 13, 2009 10:05 pm

               
             
QUOTE  WG_KR
December 13, 2009 09:03 pm

Everyone needs mage sets.
We didn't have any mages when we fought TNG and they were running free.

But do the people who would be worthless as magers (i.e. no Ancients or very low Mage) need Mage gear?

I have no issue in buying it since I already have it all but for future members it could be changed around.

What's with everyone in WG calling themselves worthless?

If you're low mage, train.
If you're low combat, train.

We can't have people with such low stats that they can't even do the fundamentals of pking, which in this case is freezing them.

Not everyone has the money to train mage. It's expensive as shit.

Link

Free magic exp guide. Also, Soul Wars, Pest Control, making your own runes

25k at max per hour is slow as hell, even for f2p.

you can get 80k/h from enchanting at MTA and bryan told me he had like 15M in a week (around 25M with price adjusting) if you use the other 3 rooms after you have your desired mage lvl.

for range theres yaks, aviansies, fire giants

for melee theres AZ, monkeys, slayer, etc.

By WG_Keanu on 14/12/2009
Unreachable compromise is unreachable.

The gear debate is going to go on forever. I believe the reqs should be changed, or better yet abolished completely, but stopped trying to argue the point long ago.

By Majeic on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Quikdrawjoe @ December 13, 2009 09:14 pm)

QUOTE   Leecable
December 14, 2009 02:13 am

U need 82 mage for blitz, its fucking easy...

If Lee can do it so can you! thumbsup.gif

I got lee 94 mage#

By ThisIsUnique on 14/12/2009
I think everyone with 82 mage should have mage sets true

By Groedius on 14/12/2009
Well you can force people to have mage sets ludo it does not mean that they are going to use them. And today I am going to restock to 25 f2p and p2p sets once again lol. To be honest i really do not think the gear requirements are that much at all ... Stokenut said we want to be a top 10 clan. Those guys have gear reqs of like say 100 + rune sets and alot of p2p sets too. We are only asking for a fraction of that and from what ive seen in other events and heard in the IRC WG is not a poor clan.

By Lee on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Groedius @ December 14, 2009 08:36 am)

Well you can force people to have mage sets ludo it does not mean that they are going to use them. And today I am going to restock to 25 f2p and p2p sets once again lol. To be honest i really do not think the gear requirements are that much at all ... Stokenut said we want to be a top 10 clan. Those guys have gear reqs of like say 100 + rune sets and alot of p2p sets too. We are only asking for a fraction of that and from what ive seen in other events and heard in the IRC WG is not a poor clan.

Lies, evens VR's reqs are only 30 f2p sets. Which is fuck all..even less than our current gear req price.


By Quikdrawjoe on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Leecable @ December 14, 2009 02:01 pm)

QUOTE   Groedius
December 14, 2009 08:36 am

Well you can force people to have mage sets ludo it does not mean that they are going to use them. And today I am going to restock to 25 f2p and p2p sets once again lol. To be honest i really do not think the gear requirements are that much at all ... Stokenut said we want to be a top 10 clan. Those guys have gear reqs of like say 100 + rune sets and alot of p2p sets too. We are only asking for a fraction of that and from what ive seen in other events and heard in the IRC WG is not a poor clan.

Lies, evens VR's reqs are only 30 f2p sets. Which is fuck all..even less than our current gear req price.

Cool I have enough sets to join VR bye noobs

At least people will have the sets instead of going oh hey range sets are cheaper and buying them instead of mage. The changes I recommended still keep what people need stocked and reduce the stuff they don't. 100 terrorbirds, maybe when we start going deep all the time increase them or people will stock em because they need em and want to come on raids.

Groe, stop posting 100 sets unless you can screenshot a clan that has reqs that high. When you have a sensible argument post again.

By sgtswordfish on 14/12/2009
instead of having people specialized in everything to have a few that specialize in a few tasks.


By WG_Keanu on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Quikdrawjoe @ December 14, 2009 05:30 pm)

Groe, stop posting 100 sets unless you can screenshot a clan that has reqs that high. When you have a sensible argument post again.

Hey, someone's gotta be the first blink.gif

By Sxe Asher on 14/12/2009
I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

By Chimpy on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Sxe Asher @ December 14, 2009 03:00 pm)

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

80 range is really low. Try 90+

By Sxe Asher on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Chimp Y @ December 14, 2009 03:06 pm)

QUOTE   Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 03:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

80 range is really low. Try 90+

Yeah I realize that but you can still do some nice damage with Diamond (e) with 80 Ranged.

And if we're tanking someone (especially in F2P) who has Melee Protect, Melee is basically useless (or less useful I should say) when compared with how well Ranged would hit.

By WG_Keanu on 14/12/2009
QUOTE   Sxe Asher @ December 14, 2009 09:00 pm)

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

By Mmangler on 15/12/2009
I think mages are necessary. If more people mage, it makes it easier on everyone. They cannot target everyone. If only a few mage, those few become an immediate target.

By Sxe Asher on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   Mmangler @ December 14, 2009 07:48 pm)

I think mages are necessary. If more people mage, it makes it easier on everyone. They cannot target everyone. If only a few mage, those few become an immediate target.

The problem is not everyone has the actual levels to be successful. Sure 82 is required to actually be helpful, but you probably need 90+ to be really effectice in wars.

Also, I just thought of this but I'm sure I'm not the first:

We could have a couple mages who's job it is is to "Vengeance Other", as well as "Heal Group". These spells are really effectice and helpful, but for some reason I never see them used in PKRI or Wars

By Jayson on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   WG_Keanu @ December 15, 2009 06:24 am)

QUOTE   Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless

By Nick on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 14, 2009 08:24 pm)

QUOTE   WG_Keanu
December 15, 2009 06:24 am

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless

+1

Have fun getting anything accomplished pure meleeing P2P.

It isn't our fault if you get barraged and chinned to shit.

By WG_Keanu on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 15, 2009 02:24 am)

QUOTE   WG_Keanu
December 15, 2009 06:24 am

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless

Meleeing and binding. If WG required everyone to hybrid we would have a level requirement for Mage and Range. As we don't, I will be focusing on stocking up on gear for the moment, that seems to be the priority.

And don't worry, I won't be complaining anyway smile.gif

By Quikdrawjoe on 15/12/2009
1000 rune sets does no good if you lack mages.

By Jayson on 15/12/2009
joe, maybe we should also change the runes req, i dont see why we need 1k bind runes at any time, i dont think anyone binds enough to use 1k binds in one PKRI let alone 1 weekend

By Sxe Asher on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 14, 2009 10:23 pm)

joe, maybe we should also change the runes req, i dont see why we need 1k bind runes at any time, i dont think anyone binds enough to use 1k binds in one PKRI let alone 1 weekend

I think someone said you should bring 50-100 bind casts per trip. so 1k binds is around 5-10 wars/PKRI and since we often do returns, you can probably use it up in a weekend if we had 2 F2P wars/PKRI in a week...

By WG_Keanu on 15/12/2009
Ok, my suggestion on gear:

Style – Priority – Requirements

F2P Basic – Required – 100+ F2P Combat (40+ Att/Str/Def, 20+ Mage)
25x Team-9 Cape
10x Strength Potion (4)
500x Swordfish
200x Anchovy Pizza
Recommended: Stronghold of Player Security boots
Recommended: Explorer’s Ring (3)
Recommended: Charged Druidic Mage Set

F2P Melee/Binds – Required – Above
10x Rune Armour Set (Legs/Skirt & Kite/charged Berserker interchangeable)
10x Green Dragonhide Vambraces (charged Gauntlets interchangeable)
10x Leather Gloves & Boots
10x Amulet of Power (Strength interchangeable)
10x Wizard Hat
10x Wizard Robe Top
10x Leather chaps (Monk robe bottom interchangeable)
1000x Nature Rune
3000x Water Rune
3000x Earth Rune
Recommended: 10x Green Dragonhide Body
Recommended: 10x Staff of (Air/Water/Earth/Fire)

F2P Hybrid – Optional – Above, 60+ Magic or 60+ Range
10x Staff of Fire
10x Anti-Dragon shield
4000x Air Rune
1000x Death Rune
(85+ Mage) 500x Chaos Rune
(85+ Mage) 500x Law Rune
(85+ Mage) 500+ Death Rune
-OR-
10x Green Dragonhide Set
10x Maple Shortbow
1000x Adamant Arrow

P2P Basic – Required – Above, Membership (52+ Summ)
20x Super Set (Super Att/Str/Def (4))
20x Saradomin Brew (4)
20x Super Restore (4)
20x Prayer Potion (4)
200x Shark (Monkfish/Rocktail interchangeable)
100x Spirit Terrorbird Pouch
20x Games Necklace (8)

P2P Melee – Required – Above
5x Helm of Neitiznot (Berserker helm interchangeable)
5x Dragon Scimitar (DDP++ interchangeable)
5x Amulet of Glory
5x Rune Gloves (Combat bracelet (4) interchangeable)
20x Ring of Recoil
Recommended: 5x Dragon Spear (P++)

P2P Hybrid – Optional – Above, 70+ Mage or 70+ Range
5x Mystic Robes Set (Splitbark interchangeable)
1000+ Air Rune
1000x Blood Rune
(Ancients) 5x Ancient Staff (Zuriel’s Staff interchangeable)
(Ancients) 2000+ Water Rune
-OR-
10x Black Dragonhide Set
10x Rune Crossbow
500x Diamond Bolts
20x Ranging Potion (4)
Recommended: Accumulator

Hybrid styles are stackable with membership, so if a P2P member chooses to hybrid mage, he/she must get both the F2P mage gear AND the P2P on top of that.

By Elyxiatic on 15/12/2009
I don't want to sound mean keanu, but you need to spend more time on rs.

[ TRACKER ]: [All] exp gains for Wg Keanu in last 1wk: Overall +20,720 | Str(82) +10,057 | HP(82) +3,379 | Range(55) +72 | Pray(52) +5 | Mage(55) +4,727

That 20k xp was gained in the 1 hr pkri on sunday.

You're posting suggestions and that's great, but what WG needs from you is more training (more sets as well). Maybe leave the gear requirements to a raid leader or stokenut. I can easily see you've made 500 swordfish, 200 anchovy pizza, and most high levels don't use swordfish anyway (you shouldn't even at low levels).

By Jayson on 15/12/2009
like we said, p2ping with only melee is useless and a waste of sets. hybriding is pretty much compulsory.

and no one uses swordies more than pizza, if at all.

i only use swordies as part of my inven when we have a small matched fight where i know i can tank and use the extra hp, but even then, i use 5 swordies - 20 ish pizza

By WG_Keanu on 15/12/2009
Yeah training I shall work on.

I use a combination. I typically use 10 swordfish and 10 pizzas arranged alternately which saves the pizzas moving to the top of the inventory when eaten halfway, and I still have space for hybrid gear/bind runes.

By Jayson on 15/12/2009
use more pizzas to tank longer.

the pizzas are there for the speedy one click

By Sxe Asher on 15/12/2009
Keanu, you are trying to fix the current "problem" but making it worse. The word "Recommended" (in the eyes of people who don't return or have the required sets) means "Don't bother getting".



By Lee on 15/12/2009
QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 15, 2009 06:08 am)

like we said, p2ping with only melee is useless and a waste of sets. hybriding is pretty much compulsory.

and no one uses swordies more than pizza, if at all.

i only use swordies as part of my inven when we have a small matched fight where i know i can tank and use the extra hp, but even then, i use 5 swordies - 20 ish pizza

No, Hybrding IS compulsory. Ok, it might be written somewhere. If Not, im telling you now. If I see you, out on a raid, without 2 styles, I will personally kill you. I will bind you, and then call a pile on you, for being a lazy peice of shit.

Asher, you regs for maging/ranging are good, But they do need to be higher. Also, it makes people not wanna train to them levels, because then they wont have to get the gear.

By ray1578 on 16/12/2009
I agree everyone should have mage.nonmember and member.Mage is a critical prat in clan pking binding blitzing tbing...if no one has mage then wars will b 10 times harder to win.And if you have low mage alch some it takes 1 day mabie to get to an ok mage level



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