Bringing up dirt on people

It is very sad to see within the clan people ripping a good person up for his sorted past whether it is well based or not I thought this clan talks about second chances and things


Do you all call the person who wet their pants in first grade to remind them of that too?

Grow up and let things go


The clan is to be like a family and you know alot can be told and brought up on any one of us We trust each other with private issues and real life matters

Can I trust when I make an error in judgement that 2 years later your not going to be like harrassing me with it?

Maybe my views are silly to you but you know your hurting someone by bullying them in your rude remarks in public and the things you say in private

If you dont have a clue about this Good The drama stinks

Unsure who you are talking about or what it is about, be more specific.

I don't understand...can you explain more by giving examples please?

Your post was more of a general theme and it seems you have had a peronal problems with this.

It'd be hard for Council to help you with your problem if you have yet to give any details.

On another hand this would not be the best place to do it.
PM one of the Council Members about your problem and see what they can do to help.

I fully understand what you mean here having been on the receiving end of some attacks at my character. I've also witnessed the mocking of other members simply to ruin their public image and it's not nice.

Are we not supposed to all be one big family?
Some of you that do gossip need to take a step back and ask yourselves; would i want people saying things like this about me?

well one thing is that I was warned by many members not to talk to a certain man because he likes to take advantage of new wg females I had already made friends with him and found that hard to believe

I was told that one of the wg females was very moody and would repeat and gossip anything I said It really has made me think more about what I would discuss with her or how close I'd get in our friendship

These are just two things I wanted to be general because really I would hope you all think before you hit the enter on your pc keyboard Alot of stuff just deserves to be backspaced

I would hope that I could be treated in the same way that I would treat you. I dont go around making statements about my fellow members, all this does is divides the clan up. We are all a big family and trust should be given to all our members.

To be a good friend you have to sift the rocks from the sand and throw them away.

Yeah I understand what your trying to say. Everyone has a bad past No one is perfect! I personally don't like it when another member comes to me telling me bad things about the other. I mean I joined cause I see a strong clan. I still see a strong clan. I just hope i don't come across someone talking bad about me or anyone else. I love all WG members. This is like my home. Hehe. I would like to see everyone get along and have a good time. The past is the past. learn to let it go. Thats how i see it. I never want my future to be haunted by the past. Anyways I love you all. WG rules.

There's gossip going around!? Damn it. Left out of the circle again!







Actually... On a more serious note:

I understand what you're saying.
Honestly, however, I don't think there is any helping it. Especially considering the fact that this is the internet.

About the examples you provided...
From my experiences in WG, I would simply pass them off as jokes. WG members always tease eachother... It can sometimes be a bad thing... but it can also be a good thing, depending on the level of understanding between those involved.
It's that kind of kid stuff that happens with friends at school.

On the otherhand: I don't know the exact details of what you've been told... And I may be oversimplifying the situation.

In any case...
Personally, I do my best not to take other people's word for it - if I have the choice. I'm selfish, impatient and inconfident in other people's abilities; it's just the way I am... But I find it much easier to experience things for myself and get a better understanding from my own perspective than relying on someone else's... If I have the choice.

Gossip is, afterall, simply an expression of one's opinion about another (obviously). Which means, it relies on one's own perspective; which means it shouldn't be immediately accepted, as it may not necessarily be based entirely upon fact.

Yes, we are one big ol' family...
But families fight; families gossip (to some degree); families sometimes hold grudges/rivalries...
There is the argument of rejecting this fact... But, in reality, it is the truth.

I don't like dealing with or commenting on issues when there's no evidence / chat logs to gain an understanding from, but I won't ignore it. It just means my comments will be far less use, without a scenario to mould it around.

I think, in general, its a male thing. Joking around is a thing that this gender does. Females are often more cohesive, they prefer to be respectful and friendly. Of course, there's exceptions either side.

If its actualy harrasment in that the receiving person doesn't like it, it should be stopped immediately. If its all in good humour, nothing much can be done about it. If you're unhappy with what someone says, feel free to approach them and discuss it with them. If they get aggressive, tell a teriary leader or something.

Again, without more information, I can't assess the severity of it and how it can be resolved. Hope it works out anyway.

Thanks for at least trying to understand

Digging up dirt on people is stupid, and totally breaks up the community. It totally destroys the atmosphere, because you'd never know if people are telling the truth about anything.

However, as bad as that is to any community and especially a clan, there is really nothing you can do to stop it. There will always be people who have some scrap of "evidence" that they can use against you no matter how flawed their argument. In this day an age, with the internet this type of thing is getting much easier than it has ever been.

You just need to rely on your gut. If you feel that this man has in fact been a good person and is not fitting to the profile you were given, toss that profile to the side. It's nothing.

As bad as this situation of trashing each other is, you need to just try your hardest to push it to the side because what other people say about someone is almost always biased.

If someone isn't active on the forums but is always at events, does it mean that person doesn't give any time to WG? No, they just choose to show their involvement in-game rather than by writing posts.

You'll get multiple opinions about the same person from various people, some of which may complement your own opinions, but the fact is that you came up with something on your own, and that is what counts.

Okay, if we want to talk about being mature, here's my 2 cents worth.

Sure, everybody will have their own pasts. Nobody is perfect. Take this for example:

Jabroni has a history of being a thief
1. If this Jabroni continues stealing things, people will always call him a thief and continuously bring up all his pasts.
2. If this Jabroni stops stealing BUT playfully does it, like for example, stealing his friends' belongings but returning them after, some people will STILL call him a thief and be reminded of his history.
3. If he stops stealing in all sorts of manner, be it playfully or not, people CAN stop harping on his past and move on.


Now, I know every scenario would be different, we can always say "But in this case..." If we haven't already noticed, there is a clear similarity. It is human nature to give tags to individuals. If the individual doesn't take the effort to improve/change, then the fault lies on him too. (Notice, I'm NOT saying others are NOT wrong)

Some people have to learn it the hard way and we have to accept this fact. There is no use whining of all sorts, especially if we have brought it upon ourselves. As much as we don't like it, whenever something goes wrong, the FIRST person we must look at is ourselves.

This is because, it is much more difficult for us to try to change others. People will always have their own thoughts and opinions and it is up to ourselves how we want people to brand us.

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As far as WG is concerned, I'm not siding with anyone. Like in reality, whenever something goes wrong, everyone will have their own faults, like it or not, no matter how big our egos are.

I'm just providing another point of view. Like I said, as we mature, we will accept the fact that humans will be humans, we can preach good morals but we cant change every single soul out there the way we want it to be. That is why we are told to look at ourselves and reflect.

And finally, other members have made good posts, esp. Tnuac and Colonel. It'll be good for us to digest what they said.

WG is my secondary family. I've given up so much time to chatting in IRC. I love talking to you guys. I'm not sure about the topic though, as stated above.

If you need to talk I am always here and I am not afraid to whip someones ass if they give you a hard time.

Take care sweetie.

Your not the only one who feels this, i have been constantly bullied by members and it's upsetting, they know they upset you but they don't care. Thank you rachel for standing up and posting something.