My Ideas on how to fix WG

So yeah, part deux of my other rant topic, here it is, my solutions .

ACTIVITY BY ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE
We did this in Team Kenya with much success.

We have a spread sheet with everyones name, and in one column we have our total amount of events, and in the other we have amounts attended by that member. Divide one by the other, x 100 and you got your activity percentage of each member.

I recommend starting at about 60% activity, 6 out of 10 events isn't really that much to ask for. And if events are out of your timezone or you have another overriding issue you can work something out with council or whoever will be managing it. Make Joe do it he's our excel and attendance man .


SKIPPING

Regardless of rank or merit, if you skip a war or pk, you get 40-60% Warn and a two week suspension. I would say just kick them but I'm trying to make a slight compromise for the hippies .


HIGHER REQUIREMENTS

Been alot of discussioni about this in level 2, matter fact it looks like we're going to go through with it (Pro leak ), but I figured I'd post it here anyways.

I personally suggest either

~ 100+ FA, 105+ TG, 108+ full member ~
- Pros: Still have 100+ req
- Cons: We don't keep out old trial system, the new system would be more complicated.

~ 105+ TG, 110+ Full member; OR 100+ cmb with 94+ mage or 95+ range. ~
- Pros: More solid req., the 100+ alternative has good p2p member potential (many lvl ~100's that are mage/range tanks).
- Cons: Still means having low levels, but they can still be rather beneficial now no?

I likd #2 better myself.


ALL WARS MANDATORY SIGN UPS

) Signing up for every event with a prep over 3 days is MANDATORY. **

2) For every war/raid that you don't sign up for, you instantly get a warn level. ***

3) If you sign up as Yes and don't come TWICE, then you will be warned. ****

4) If you don't come to 3 events in a row WITHOUT legitimate reason, you will be warned, and if youre really that inactive probably kicked eventually.

5) Every Raid/War, matched or what have you, will be treated as EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, and will as stated have mandatory sign ups.


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** - Meaning that anything over 3 days prep, EVERYONE must sign up. Under 3 days and you're inactive at the time for whatever reason, and you don't sign up, ur gud.

*** - For every 3 events consecutively signed up for after that, warn level for not signing up gets erased.

**** - For every 2 events that you do sign up as yes for and do ccome to, warn will be erased.


MORE TRANSPARENCY

The Members don't know what is going on in levels 3 & 4, and we hear all the time "Don't worry it's being discussed in level 3/4" Then nothing ever comes out of it. Why not give like a weekly or monthly announcement, jsut saying what you guys are talking about, or maybe just talk about more things in level 1. I don't really think most of the stuff you guys talk about in there is UBER SEEKRAT.

The Members really feel distanced from the Council atm, and I think it's hurting us.


WAR BULLETINS TYPE THINGS IDK WHAT TO CALL IT

Just have BIG and BRIGHT notices at the top of the Forum with links to the fight topic, or have a different way of making noticing events easier. The PvP events forum hardly ever gets read, even though it should, and it's because people only see the bumped topic from the forum index, not all the other ones. And it can get a bit confusing when you have alot of wars in one week.

EXAMPLES:

Forum Heading:
http://img194.imageshack.us/i/eventnotice1b.png/

Alternative Events Forums layout:
http://img717.imageshack.us/i/eventnotice2.png/

They're ugly and annoying but they work pretty damn good.


AUDIO

Get Teamspeak 3. It's just as clear as mumble, has cooler stuffs, and it is far, far better for allied events. I invite the Sabres to pretty much all of our pks but they don't come because only like 3 have mumble downloaded, and you can't blame them really.

That's about it for now, if I think of something else or you want me to add something else, I will.

Discuss. AND DON'T FUCKING IGNORE!!!!

Good work lil fella.

good ideas but i dont like the 40-60% warn for missing a war :/ not everyone can be available all the time

IF this gets done then EPIC. I'll watch this space. See what council say.

Yes.

Yes to everything. Only problem is spur of the moment raids/events which should never be mandatory.

Thank you Joe for yet another useless post

Before people say that I'm too new, I have been going around and talking to people to get their opinions and ideas. This is a summary of it so far with my own ideas added in.

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The first part: a new spreadsheet should be made for everyone and the same for new members who join after and events only start counting for them from the time they've joined.

What about when people go inactive with reason for extended periods of time and there percentage drops below it?

Personally I'm also more a fan of the second requirements option. However I don't feel we should raise the requirements before we start winning wars again.

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A couple of things I'd like to add:

Start making sign ups for ALL Wars and Raids that have a prep time over 3 days and make signing up mandatory, miss 2 sign ups and you'll be sent a warning. Miss another without excuse and you get the boot.

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The members need to start contributing and when the council do agree to the option of starting to discuss stuff in public/ level 1 or 1.75 the members should not respond to serious topic with joke posts. The members need to start helping out the council as well by pointing out people who haven't signed up yet and by helping them to spam reminders in irc once in a while.

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Wars need to by hyped up more and members should be told to train for upcomming wars to get them pumped up and leveld up. When you spent a lot more time preparing for a war the mentality will be better and you will want to win more. Negativity needs to be removed from the forums and members need to stop posting demotivating comments such as 'we're going to lose anyways' or things along that line.

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The council needs to get more involved with the clan members and should become more active and start engaging in IRC conversations as well, some do this yet several are lacking.

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A large part of the problem is that the community is too divided at the current time and unhappy.

When it comes to the events part, I am part to blame at the inactivity that occurs at them. I honestly do not have time to be event active in WG and that is why I previously asked for Emeritus, but I have not been given that. Because of this, I am not going to input my opinion on what happens at events or the attendance of them.

Transparency would be nice. It is something I have advocated since I have been a higher guardian.

Higher requirements are said that they will improve WG. Why not try? I don't mind having the FA requirement actually.

Mandatory war sign ups would also be nice. It would bring people onto the forums. Something that you have to know and do though is make sure that there is a way to keep the PvP events forum clean. I look in it and it gets extremely messy.

I forgot to add though that the Important Announcements forum should be used more often not just to advocate your winter awards which could have just been handled without posting in IA except for the winners.

It should be used to advertise actual important stuff regarding events and clan decisions not the winter awards and such.

I agree. But we need a nazi in the council. Which we don't have. Keeping track of attendance is seriously long, boring, monotonous, time-munching. If you don't have at least one person that'll take the time and effort to be the one everybody hates, then it's useless to implement any activity requirements.

One further thought before I sleep - you want more planned raids? How the hell can we do that when 3 staff have just walked out on us?
Yeah I didn't want to have to say this, but cmon, it's quite frankly a disgrace.

We, as members of WG, need to give the staff support, especially those who are newer to the job and have less experience.

We all need to work together, or NOTHING will get done and WG will remain as it is.... which I think we can all agree would destroy WG as we know it.

Good ideas Chimpy. If we want to do better we're going to have to get more strict. That's just the way it goes.

One problem that I see is members will use the Emertius rank to bypass the activity requirement while still coming to the events they want.

Possible option I guess is to limit emertius rights. I know emertius like to cry about this subject, but if they want to play with WG I think they should just join as a member. If they can't keep the activity requirement, than they shouldn't be qualified to fight with WG.

One example of someone who has done this in a way is Kero2, who was never talked to about it, so it is viable and possible.

ACTIVITY BY ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE

Please, and if Joe would like to do the Excel work, I'd be really happy.

SKIPPING

Agreed

HIGHER REQUIREMENTS

Can't do until Lordy okays it, so it's at quite a standstill.

ALL WARS MANDATORY SIGN UPS
Ye that'd be good.

MORE TRANSPARENCY
Okay

WAR BULLETINS TYPE THINGS IDK WHAT TO CALL IT
I don't know HTML, ask Robbie lolz

AUDIO
See above^

Hassle the pandahof, Kyle.

Excellent ideas Chimpy. I agree with almost every single one.

--- Post was made before seeing Gene's topic, kindly ignore it. :< ---

Did you read the recap of the Mumble Meeting?
http://92.48.69.8/~wgwilde/forum/index.php?showtopic=16389

I do not like the idea of the percentages. Our members over the age of 18, it would be most difficult for them.

Another idea I posted in lvl 4 is this:

IN a nutshell

ACTIVITY BY ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE
This is Robbie's next project, when he has time of course. I'm totally with you on this. We're recording the percentage over 60 days, perhaps 90. Not decided yet.

SKIPPING
I think if you give 100% to this clan you can afford to skip the occasional raid if you so choose. Loyalty is not measured in attendance.

HIGHER REQUIREMENTS
Lol, just no. We've been over this for three years and every generation makes the same mistake.

ALL WARS MANDATORY SIGN UPS
YES! This is already in place but I would like to emphasise it. I very much agree with you here.

MORE TRANSPARENCY
I suppose we can do this. Right now level 3 and 4 is all talk no walk. We need more action and I'm going to push for that as a high priority. As for members feeling seperate from the council, it is going to help that I am giving all council members tertiary jobs, to get back in touch with the members.

WAR BULLETINS TYPE THINGS IDK WHAT TO CALL IT
We do, but not for every war. Frankly, a war a week is too much anyway. I can't keep that activity up myself so I don't expect it of another member. Wars should be rare treats.

AUDIO
Mumble vs Teamspeak. I'll think about it but I'm not warming up to the idea, simply because Mumble is finally starting to establish itself in WG.


AND DON'T FUCKING IGNORE!!!!
I want to finish by saying your posts in this forum are really rude, and its only because I care so much that I'm bothering with them.
You need to work on your attitude.

Reposting this for emphasis.
We are not raising our requirements... ever.

I don't care if I'm the last person in WG who wants them the same.
I'm flexible on other matters but never on this.

WG never learns that this does not help us at all.

Keanu this does not exempt you from training.
In fact I strongly urge you especially to train.

Ya I know I was just enjoying the moment I shall continue training of course

Gene just wrinsed what I was about to write.... I guess all I can say is "yeah that" to what he said.
All good points, but he has explained the reasons for why we cannot go down SOME of those paths.
Others, as he has already mentioned, are already being addressed - the activity percentage system for one, and the transparency thing.

Edit: To add:
Your suggestion about the war/event bulletin type things.
Do we really need them when we have the EVENT TIMES tab that functions perfectly?
Don't come back and say that members don't use it... they should do. EVERY SINGLE EVENT is put on that tab within 12 hours of it being posted. It doesn't take long to do and the HTML for it is simple.
If you hover over the event, it not only tells you how long it is until the event, but it also tells you the time IN YOUR OWN TIMEZONE = win. Clicking on the description will bring you to the topic.

Typing "!event" in #wg will bring up the next event (straight from the tab)..

So encourage people to use that more. It will really help us.

I think I love Snowzak

Gotta adapt to the new clan world and step out the dark ages Gene. Times are changing and we need to learn ourselves that raising requirements do not work.

I don't give a flying fuck about adaptation.
There will not be a requirement change no matter what logic you throw at me.
Accuse me of suffocating WG. I won't care.

I'm perfectly capable of being wrong Zach but right now you are the one strutting around like you know best. The attitude you accuse me of having.. well... lol.

We've tried the whole req raise thing. And how you can bother looking at our levels when we have numbers and organisation to worry about... pfft.

Hurr durr another debate about me

We've also never tried raising them and keeping them there... mass recruiting the is the solution that's been used every time, it's not the other way around.

Mass recruiting is the reason people have used this clan for so many years as a stepping stone to get into other higher leveled clan. Easy to get in, acceptable training for top clans, but unable to maintain a high standard so off they go.

http://92.48.69.8/~wgwilde/forum/index.php?showtopic=11819

Last time we raised for 2 months recruitment halved. I don't see the logic in keeping the reqs raised, because how could things possibly improve? We'd have less choice of members, we'd have harder opponents to fight... \_O.o_/

his lordship is wg leader

if he chooses it thus he can kill the clan on the spot. don't test the powers that be.

your resolve is weakened by your inability to accept and trust. you say you're committed to wg yet you won't stand by your leader? you provide ideas to "fix" when your current task is of much greater importance.

You say we make the same mistake of raising requirements yet not raising them has never worked either.
We still end up in the same cycle, yet raising reqs is the same mistake every time?

Raising the requirements at the current time will only result in more failure.

Raising the requirements during a time in which we prosper will help improve the clan performance.

I'll put it shortly: Raising the requirements now is a mistake and will only result in nothing being achieved. Raising the requirements when we've already gotten a couple of wins behind our belts will improve the prosperity. The last time the Requirements were raised under circumstances where WG was prospering was after OPH and we never had the chance to see how that evolved because of you Eugene.

Requirements in the current picture are petty and insignificant. You can throw 30 inexperienced and demoralised level 100s-126s at another clan or you can throws 30 inexperienced and demoralised 110-126s at the same clan and you will achieve the same results.

What is making WG lose is not the low levels, what is making us lose is negativity, morale and the unwillingness to win that comes with it. Claiming that you could solve everything by something so passive and long term as a requirements raise is ignorance at it's best.

Just because you will raise the requirements it won't make a clan that hasn't won a war in the past 3 months anymore attractive.

YOU start training up for wars. YOU start pumping members up. YOU start looking at your performance and how you can improve. YOU start acting as a guardian. Instead of complaining and pointing out what everybody else is doing wrong you should be looking for ways on how to help those members and you should be looking for ways to also improve on what you're doing wrong.

Winning a war is done through the effort of a clan, not through the effort of a few individuals.

As for you Eugene, I've known you for ages but maybe you haven't known me for so long. I was there during D-Day and I was in your IRC channel talking with you. I know that you are far from an unreasonable person and I know that ego of yours is part of the clan. But you too should realise, even more so after the events back then. That the clan isn't just you. It is everybody who's willing to adapt, change and add another stone to the house, no the monument, that is WG.

Chimp, it doesn't look like we're going to get anywhere with this, the only person who can change this is Eugene, he's clearly and bluntly stated he ain't ever going to do it. So god knows where that leaves members who are success hungry.

I'm prepared to make compromises around req changes, such and forcing training amoung lower levels. But when I founded WG I had some principles to live by and the req raise is in conflict with some of my principles.

I'm sorry for coming across as so defensive, but it's not within my moral code for WG to raise requirements. I want success and I'll listen to your ideas. You had some very good ones which I know I will consider STRONGLY. Requirements are just a flat out no. Now let's find a solution around them.

Mass recruiting has not worked because we've not done it properly yet. As of this weekend (my first free weekend in a month for WG), I will set it in motion and I have a few things to do:

1. Set up the anniversary
2. Fix the clan forums
3. Prep for the war, and attend it
4. Work hard with Darth on recruitment
5. Put our new Flash on Newgrounds
6. Reset the bans
7. Speak to David about personal trainers
8. Personal stuff with George
9. Lead the Aussie raid

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That's all I'll be able to handle in one weekend, but I hope that's enough to show you I'm following up on my promise to revive this clan.

We're all really frustrated becasue since the great war, nothing has happened.
Please remember I was overseas for three weeks and this is my first week back, and it was 90% occupied with Machinima.
Now that Macvhinima is out of focus, I have that time and energy to give to you guys.

So it's about to get a whole lot better. Think of that week leading up to the great war and how worked up WG got.

It's going to be like that again.

it shall be done!

Sweet, saved myself like an hours reading by missing this topic.
But seriously, yes I agree with more or less everything you said in your post Chimpy.

I'll read it and the replies in detail tomorrow when I wake up.

Fitting 8 hours of RS and 10 hours of WoW into each day is tough, but I'm managing!

^above post is a major FML

mistaken stokenut for gene?