ZT ...

<00:49:28> "Torreoria": Has WG got rid of Katie yet?
<00:49:49> "Kcross73": no
<00:50:16> "Torreoria": Then I will continue to not attend events

And she's apparently not the only one that feels that way.

I was going to invite ZT to our Big Five events, but I'm not even going to bother now.

Something needs to be done to fix this problem we have between our clans, and kicking Kat is not an option.

Fk.
Shes got sumfin stuck up there lately.

In all honesty she needs to get rid of that chip off of her shoulder, Katie is none of her business she has very limited interaction with them and when it is its initiated by ZT's members.

I am continuously seeing the same two or three people from ZT attending our events and noone else, I honestly feel as though they are becoming dead weight allies fast and we need to consider looking for other alliances that that will be cooperative and participate in our events.

I'll try to talk to them in bit. Rather boot them after this hectic month or maybe next.

Start looking for other allies now to be potentially added.

I talk to Torr alot and shes one of my good friends, but yeah i have to agree this isnt ZT's business anymore and it's just becoming a bit immature.

One member in exchange for an alliance is unfair.
Kicking Katie is an option, but an unlikely one.
Don't rule it out.

This isn't a democracy though.
If we have to choose between a member and an alliance, I'm just saying we should pick the alliance.

However, let's try and keep both.

If I had to choose between a member that makes a variety of events and an alliance that is merely 2 people at whatever pks we have going who would I choose?

That is the question in a blunt way.

If Kat had a penis, I bet half your answers would be different.

Uhh actually no it doesn't.

I still don't even know what this is all about.

I think keeping our members should be a bigger concern then keeping our allies.
If we can't stand on our own two then what can we do?

ZT's leadership is disappointing to me. Holding onto such a stupid grudge and jeopardizing our alliance.
Sounds like someone doesn't appreciate the alliance we have.

And I would say the same thing for any active member, Male or female.

/me is out of the loop

I have no idea what this is all about.

I think she joined before I was staff, so maybe this was discussed in here or level 4 and I haven't seen it.

Can somebody please fill me in on what exactly happened either on this thread or in a PM please? I prefer not judging a situation with limited knowledge.



In my opinion, I would rather lose ZT as an alliance than lose Katie as a member, and no Gene this is not because she is a girl. As everybody else has said, we basically see the same 3 or 4 members at our events over and over, and CJ (Underceige; Sir Calmdown) constantly has to leave raids to go pk with Renegade which Torr also had issues with many ZT members joining Renegade. She forced her members to choose between the two, but for some reason CJ stayed in both, so I don't know what the situation is there.

TBH The only ones in staff that should know about this personal and sensitive matter is Gene, George and myself. It should not of become an issue for anyone else. Katt is doing great in WG. She has caused some trouble with ZT though even since coming to WG. I have to agree with Gene that if she had a pns that some of you would feel differently about the choice.

I personally want Katt to stay. I really like her. Our alliance has greatly suffered and it is why ZT has only those few that attend our things. Part of the agreement was that ZT alliance would come first if we had any trouble. We have to stick by our word. It's not up to any of you to break that agreement. It was an arrangement to allow her to still enjoy a nice clan.

I would prefer that ZT stay out of contact with Kat but they really need to start attending our events/raids too.

I have spent a lot of time talking with Torri about all this and also with Katt. Katt knows that I'm very supportive of her being in WG and Torri has accepted that I like Katt on a personal lvl.

Instead of avoiding ZT, I think invite them more and let them know what they are missing. If they value the alliance they will accept that Katt is part of WG. Sometimes when you have been wronged, it is hard to get over but not impossible.

Torri should not be gossiping about Katt to anyone. This really is unfair to Katt. She came to WG to start over not have everyone talking about her.

I want to know what everyone thought about the alliance before Katt came to WG. Was it wonderful then? See I never thought ZT was all that active with us before, but I might be wrong.

Anytime it is an embarrassing situation for someone, I think the less people know the better. Why should the reasons Katt got kicked from ZT be anyone in staff's business other than those that were accepting her into WG. It is not a clan matter for you all to be talking and gossiping about. The new council had to know because issues came up. Those issues are posted in lvl 4. It is not something we are going to be leaking.

Going at Torri about Katt isn't going to solve it. I saw logs that they both attacked each other just a few days ago. It goes both ways. Katt reacts to things in a bad way too. Really the more you guys try to help Katt and get involved the worse it will get.

Stick to the alliance being crappy because they don't attend our things. Don't bring Torri and Katt's fighting into this.

I'm going to have to agree with Rachel that the entire staff doesn't need to hear whatever happened previously. If the council thought what she did was bad enough to tell everyone I doubt she would have gotten accepted.

See the thing is they don't even have to like each other, but they don't need to be rude to each other either.

What's happened to the 'Show Courtesy At All Times' rule?
Even if they aren't in WG I think the same rule should still be obeyed.

Trying to understand why Council can't trust STAFF with something.

If its private we should also trust in the staff that know it to make the best decision while keeping it that way.

This "The staff doesn't/shouldn't know because it's none of their business" is kind of getting on my nerves.

Normally, you would be correct, but ZT is MAKING it an issue, and we as leaders of WG need to know all the facts to make a decision on what to do about this.



Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure most of us are mature enough not to go leaking this info to normal members. What Kat did does not deserve what kind of response Torr and ZT are pushing onto not only her, but us; who have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong except accept (lol @ 2 exact same words spelled differently) somebody that wanted to join our clan. As staff, it is our responsibility to be impartial to the opinions/personal life of a clan member unless they actually murder or rape somebody irl. I think I can keep this issue to myself, and make a mature, informed decision about this.

Amazingly, even knowing this information, I am not going to tell any members what went on with Kat and ZT, and I am not going to let it affect my treatment of Kat...how will I do it? Flying Spaghetti Monster only knows...

Firstly :What happened with Kat should stay with the people that know it and noone else its not ours to share.

Second: Kicking a member for an alliance in not what a community is about.

Third: what dieyouu i think said is true its very rarely more than a few ZT's that are interested in our events and would still come either way.

Fourth: The alliance with Zt does need work and so does the alliance with Sabres but its hard to intergrate clans.

Fifth: Kat has been very active is generally nice and does care a lot about this clan personally i know she would be crushed if she got kicked.

Sixth: Comments like "if she had a dick this would be a different story" are not needed. It wouldn't would you kick any of our members in the same category as Kat even if they are blokes.

What we need to do is to work this out with Torre because most of the grudge held is with her i have talked to Kat and Torr on several occasions about this and ill keep trying to make a agreement with her without jeopardizing the alliance.

I think we're all forgetting the fact that we ASKED TORREORIA before accepting Kat's app to make sure that she would accept it.
She wasn't too happy about it, but promised me as a friend, that she would try to make it work.

Torr can't just go back on that now... kat's done nothing wrong, as far as i'm aware...

No reason to be snapping at each other. We're all on the same side.