End The ZT Alliance?

I will not post any information that may bias the vote.
Just vote with your existing knowledge.

Why not strengthen it other than terminating it?
We never know, one day they might help us..

i voted yes because i never seen annyone of em

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Voted yes due the fact since I joined like 2-3 months ago, I only ever seen 1 of their members and we never done anything with them like we have with our other ally

The WG-ZT alliance is overshadowed by the WG-TS for one.

We never really did much with ZT. With TS, we're out together every other day. ZT... we had a couple of Falador raids together, and that was it really

They're a good clan, but I can't see much good coming from the alliance anymore

Didn't we teamed a few times with ZT in 2009 Summer?

i never really seem them but i only joined this year

I voted yes.

Well we have to consider WHY we made an alliance with them. It was more for the sake of "extending" our 3v0 alliance. It wasnt that we thought both clans could help each other grow. The formation of the alliance was barely validated.

Anyways, I found them pretty good allies way back when we started. They attended many of our raids, and we had frequent interclans to learn from each other. However, if theres no coordination at all between the two clans to work together, and no raid leader of ours or there is working together, then theres no point.

Us alerting them that we have a raid short prep and inviting them along does not count as working together; prepped allied events only.

Is it hurting us?

They offer us nothing.
They never invite us to anything nor do they try to strengthen the alliance.
And to be honest, I don't consider WG + 2 ZT members an allied raid.

Whose all in ZT that comes to raids with us?

Merge.

But I love CJ

(voted yes though. I never knew much about ZT except CJ)

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I for one, and I know Kcross did a lot of this, as has the current council... we have all tried to re-invigorate this dead alliance... but to no avail.
I tried hosting events with them, but they were largely unwilling to organise them.
When I try inviting their members, I am met with no responses either on forums or IRC... so i've stopped trying.

Their members don't even want to attend our raids, including their leaders.

I think my post is low enough down for me not to influence people's votes... but I wanted to say the above

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Yes.

Who proposed the Alliance, ZT?
If they initiated the relationship, I think it would be best to discuss with them the potential of our leaving.


I don't know much about the situation, but I'm under the impression that many members are somewhat irritated by it - and for what seems like good reasons - therefore, wouldn't protest breaking the alliance.

From when I was active within WG, ZT were great active allies. I have no idea of how things have been since then.

I do know that they are not the most active clan, both on forums and events.

I've spoken to the ZT leader, Torr yeh? Seemed quite rude when I asked if her or any members where raiding or if any of them wanted to be PM'd if we were raiding.

I've never seen an event with them ever. I heard they Pk'd us a few days ago?

No one gets away with attacking Kat.

rite?

I say we just strengthen our bond with The Sabres, they are a great ally.

Could love to see more events (not just raids) with the Sabres invited .

Thought we ended it a long time ago.

If we want an ally, then we should look for more clans like the sabres

Oh, we have other alliances than TS Well that explains my vote I think...

looks pretty forgone now and we can always let the 2 zt who raided with us come anyway if they wanted to

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never seen them all summer

Don't really know any of them, but i've heard nothing but bad things about them so i voted yes.

they dont have an active irc, making it harder to communicate with them, id rather not have to be reminded the zt cc since its changed a few times. i said no before really thinking about it.

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