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Set Spearers

By Aragon on 02/12/2010
I may be new but today we fought DB and there were only two magers, and everybody else was ranging and two other people were spearing.

While ranging is important, it is more important you bring two styles! Without every person bringing them, in small opts fights like what we did it would be hard to win.

That's not what my suggestion is about though, after talking to Rachel, she told me that there were two set snipers who always sniped during F2P wars, and they always did their thing (Joe + somebody else). My suggestion is that there are 3 main Dragon Spear users in the clan. The requirements to do so are:

- 86+ Prayer and access to Curses (Leech Special)
- 20+ Dragon Spears
- A stable amount of Prayer Potions

We need Dragon Spearers, but not so many that there aren't enough Magers. Some people aren't amazing hybrids, and like to pure mage to prevent getting KO'd, and to mainly stay focussed. If you can Hybrid, it's good to bring a second style (Dragon Scimitar).

Sorry if I got too off topic, but yeah, we should have a few set spearers during P2P, and everybody else should bring a Dragon Scimitar or something to slash prayer (rangers/mages)

By Kung Man149 on 02/12/2010
That's a good point, but you could try adding 1 or 2 more spears to the designated ones.
Also lower the requirements for that a little lower for the spears because the amount of them can take it's toll on someone buying in bulk, so my suggestion would be to at LEAST have 10 - 15 spears.

I can tell you're gonna do great things in WG.
Best of luck. biggrin.gif

By Aragon on 02/12/2010
Spearers don't usually die so yes I agree (since other clans target Mages more often, spearers camouflage in with the main pile) but spearing is the most effective thing along with maging in wars, so it's very good. 10-15 is a good stable requirement.

By Mark on 02/12/2010
That fight with DB only ended up having 2 mages cause whenever you see someone in mystic, lets be honest, your attention turns to them, you just wanna fuck them over cause they have crappy defence bonuses.

And adding to the part on ranging. I was tribriding in that fight, and i was ranging for most of it because people were praying melee, which is fair enough. But thats the reason that there were alot of people ranging.

By Jayson on 02/12/2010
some people dont like to return in mage if they die once in mage. people just need to suck it up

i like the idea of set spearers though

By Nick on 02/12/2010
If you are ranging, you should be spearing. That is how it was when I was active and raiding. Simple as.

By Aragon on 02/12/2010
QUOTE: Nick @ December 01, 2010 11:49 pm)
If you are ranging, you should be spearing. That is how it was when I was active and raiding. Simple as.

Same with Maging, you have all of that extra spec bar, might as well put it to use.

By WizardOfGod on 02/12/2010
disagree to be honest, having set spear's in like 10v10's or w/e could work outside of that im not to sure. When I pk with my team and call if i don't see a mager out there im calling a pile on someone with a spear so by having 2-3 set spears essentially those 2-3 are priority under mages therefore will be targeted oppose to mages stay mageing and can bring a spear and rangers/meelers should have a spear or d scim. Personally no matter what set I wear I always have a d spear so that should go for others as-well.

By Armybuilder1 on 02/12/2010
Well guys.
He's summed it up too well. No one hybrids and not enough people in gear that stops people.
Thanks Aragon


By Mark on 02/12/2010
By Lee on 02/12/2010
Great idea, but ALL rangers should have 2 styles. Mages, im not so fussed about, because they have 1 thing to concentrate on.

Its Pure rangers that should have d spears all the time. I for 1 always have a spear on me, no matter what. Have 50 in the bank atm wink.gif

By rachellove9 on 02/12/2010
QUOTE: Mark @ December 02, 2010 03:45 am)
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=19590

Seems that noone listens to me.

I have to be honest. I read the forums pretty much all of it and I missed it when you posted it.

I'm looking now at what I should add to the gear requirements. I checked out the cost of d-spear. Twenty d spears will cost about 750k. If we have set d spear people they will know this in advance that they need that many. So in addition to those people the required amount for a gear check or to graduate could be 5 or more. That is less than 200k added to our required gear list.

I'm not sure if it is agreeable to everyone but to me it seems reasonable. I am updating the gear list so I will try to keep this in mind as I take useless things off the list too.

Thanks for your input.

By Aragon on 02/12/2010
QUOTE: WizardOfGod @ December 02, 2010 12:18 am)
disagree to be honest, having set spear's in like 10v10's or w/e could work outside of that im not to sure. When I pk with my team and call if i don't see a mager out there im calling a pile on someone with a spear so by having 2-3 set spears essentially those 2-3 are priority under mages therefore will be targeted oppose to mages stay mageing and can bring a spear and rangers/meelers should have a spear or d scim. Personally no matter what set I wear I always have a d spear so that should go for others as-well.

When I was in RSD I always pure speared and leeched special and I was never targetted as often as somebody standing out (Mager/Ranger) would be, therefore the Spearer would not be targetted as much as you claim.

And to add on, this doesn’t limit the total amount of spearers, it’s just a guarantee that a set few people have full focus on it so we never lack spears, if that makes sense.

And Mark, I agree with your suggestion. If that is made mandatory then this wouldn't be needed

By His_Lordship on 02/12/2010
The old system would work if we followed it. All rangers need to hybrid with melee, and 50/50 spear and scim. Just listen to the leaders on what we need more of. If we need more spears you'll be told to pull them out. If we need more range, we'll say so.

Wouldn't that work fine?

By Aragon on 02/12/2010
It would indeed, it would be even better if Magers brought a second style too (as I said earlier though if it makes you uncomfortable then you should just be allowed to focus on maging)

By WG_Keanu on 02/12/2010
QUOTE: His_Lordship @ December 02, 2010 04:01 pm)
The old system would work if we followed it. All rangers need to hybrid with melee, and 50/50 spear and scim. Just listen to the leaders on what we need more of. If we need more spears you'll be told to pull them out. If we need more range, we'll say so.

Wouldn't that work fine?

I like that. If the higher level'ed rangers speared and the lower level'ed scim'ed.

By David on 02/12/2010
QUOTE: WG_Keanu @ December 02, 2010 09:56 am)
QUOTE: His_Lordship December 02, 2010 04:01 pm
The old system would work if we followed it. All rangers need to hybrid with melee, and 50/50 spear and scim. Just listen to the leaders on what we need more of. If we need more spears you'll be told to pull them out. If we need more range, we'll say so.

Wouldn't that work fine?

I like that. If the higher level'ed rangers speared and the lower level'ed scim'ed.

Seems a bit backwards...

Higher leveled = can do more damage
Lower leveled = can't do as much damage

So you want to let those that can't do as much damage wield the damage dealing weapon...

By Quikdrawjoe on 02/12/2010
I always spear on raids lolz

By WG_Keanu on 03/12/2010
QUOTE: David @ December 02, 2010 09:27 pm)
QUOTE: WG_Keanu December 02, 2010 09:56 am
       
QUOTE: His_Lordship  December 02, 2010 04:01 pm
The old system would work if we followed it. All rangers need to hybrid with melee, and 50/50 spear and scim. Just listen to the leaders on what we need more of. If we need more spears you'll be told to pull them out. If we need more range, we'll say so.

Wouldn't that work fine?

I like that. If the higher level'ed rangers speared and the lower level'ed scim'ed.

Seems a bit backwards...

Higher leveled = can do more damage
Lower leveled = can't do as much damage

So you want to let those that can't do as much damage wield the damage dealing weapon...

I mean in terms of range levels. We all have pretty high strength. That way high-leveled rangers deal damage with range and spear, while low-level'ed rangers deal damage with scim.

By His_Lordship on 03/12/2010
If we get too specific and assign certain people spears and scims, it'll be too hard to track. That's really high maintainance. We should just ask everyone to choose one or the other and we'll end up with around 50/50.

Any more detailed is more effort than we can afford, and a waste of time.
Let's just enforce the old rule which has slipped from WG consciousness.
Everyone takes a Scim or a spear and the leaders will tell you to pull them out.

On a related note, every ranger also needs 20 or so chinchompas in their inventories on raids.



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