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I have SUSPENDED Zhero06 for 3 days

By JC on 27/04/2008
For this:

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And sorry that you seem to be one of those who don't really want to put some effort into helping this clan move forward. huh.gif But I'm not willing, even if I'm just a trial member, to just sit by and watch a clan that I like very much, flounder, without trying my best to get things to improve. Even if it means making a thousand posts like this.


If he thinks he can be in a clan for under 2 weeks and take a shot at hom much work I do then he deseves it. If it was my choice I would ban him, but that is for the council to decide.

Let me say that regardless wether this guy is the best Pk'er/CWA'er in RS, he has a huge ego that will just cause problems.

By His Lordship on 27/04/2008
This comes just after I had a good talk with him.

By JC on 27/04/2008
He continued flaming....

I have suspended him for 3 days.

I am so pissed off it isnt funny :@

Hotmask is: b *!*@Swift-2E896C2A.reshall.berkeley.edu

for when we want to unban him from IRC

By George on 27/04/2008
*sigh*
I wouldn't have given him anything, probably, for the first time.
Howver I do not know the circumstances.

If he continued flaming then he deserves a punishment.

By JC on 27/04/2008
Sorry read this topic:

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...st=0#entry24843

I forgot to link everyone to it.

I might add, I had problems with him yesterday too (both arsenal and maths had to help me get him to stop abusing WG's Wilderness leadership in #wg)

By Robertw56 on 27/04/2008
He's been a bit of an ass ever since he joined, but this is like the icing on the cake....

I agree with the suspension, and let the council decide if they want to take it further.

By Dalejamesw on 27/04/2008
All he done since he got here is just act like, a idk what word but yeah hash.png
Good move in my opinion.

By Gusmighster on 27/04/2008
He's banned now?

I dunno, he seemed like a promosing member just a bit big headed and he thought he could lead the clan just cos he had experience before.

By JC on 27/04/2008
He isnt perm banned.

The problem is, and dont tell this in public, that if you KB someone on #WG they can still get in because the invite script ovewrites the ban.

Hence you either ban them from both #wg and lobby, or you ban them on forums so they dont get invited.

By Bambaleo on 27/04/2008
i wouldn't perm ban him...but the possibility that he might cause problems in the future is really high.

By Gusmighster on 27/04/2008
Oh yea. Didn't think of that. Well.. I hope we can shape him into a good clean member for the future.

By ArSeNaLfAn32 on 27/04/2008
He has been a big problem already. He tried to take over while I was leading a mini. When I denied him he went off to snipe AGAINST MY ORDERS. He is a control and power freak. He needs a big attitude change if he is going to change. The day previous to this, Evil and I dragged him into a seperate channel and had a talk with him. He has already been talked to and told to have a change of attitude multiple times. I agree with and support this punnishment.

By Winddancir on 27/04/2008
From what I've read and seen, Zhero may not fit in too well in WG unless/until he learns that he is not the leader, and that he has to follow chain of command. Just because he has experience, doesn't mean that we will trust him enough to let him tell us what to do. And with his attitude that it is his right to lead... Well... You guys can see where I have problems with that.
freakingidiotthinkinghesbetterthanmebetterpullhisheadoutofhisrearbeforeireallygetpissedoff

By DZ on 28/04/2008
Tabs pretty much summed up what I think of the guy.

He's been bashing on our leadership (mainly warlord and raid leaders) for doing things he doesn't like. Some comments he makes just disgust me. He thinks that he's hot **** just because he's been the leader of a clan before.

By JC on 28/04/2008
Now to convince the rest of the clan that I'm right sad.gif

By Winddancir on 28/04/2008
Evil, I'll be helping you on that as much as I can.

I taught this guy hunter, and he goes and pulls this ****? Give me a fucking break, he isn't that superior to me, his total lvl is 1483, and I'm nearing 1700. (1693)

By JC on 30/04/2008
Bam requestd I pm him today as he is now un-suspended.

Here is what I sent:

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Hi Zhero,

I have been asked to PM you to explain why you were suspended from WG for 3 days.  The reasons I suspended you was because of a multitude of factors, but mainly it revolved around your inability to provide a response without flaming me.

I am more than happy for you to discuss your idea's and try to improve WG, we all are, however we have a chain of command for a reason.  This incident where you flamed me for my ideas was not the first incident where you had not been willing to listen to other leaders on an issue otherwise I might have taken less serious action.

To show you why I found your implication that I was "not doing much to help Wg improve" so offensive I shall point you to my profile, taking a look at my "most active in" frum, you see that I am:

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  Level Three
50 posts in this forum
( 19% of this member's active posts )


http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...php?showuser=23

Though you cannot see this forum, it is an area where tertiary leaders discuss idea's to improve Wg, from community, wilderness or even skills issue's they are all discussed there. I may not be openly doing so, but I spend a decent amount of time helping WG, eben if only a small proportion of WG ever see it.

I wish to help you Zhero, I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have, but please be sure not to forget that you are still new in WG so you don't know everything about the way WG operates. Idea's are allready in progress to improve our warring, both before, and after your thread.

Some of the main issues we are currently working to solve (that I know of) are:

-Poor hybriding at the recent war's, where we had like 1 or 2 people hybriding.

-Poor sign-up's. You may see in the Rant's forum a post titled sign up's which wa sposted to encourge people to sign up. More on this issue is still to come.

Please feel free to contact either of the Warlords (Stokenut and Darkzero101) about any more idea's you may have to help WG and its warring. Alternatively any of the Raid Leader's (Robertw56, Arsenalfan32 or Karel Dude) can be contacted about the same issues.

I am sorry that I suspended you, I hope we can get over that and move on.

~Theevildead2

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To correct you, I think I made it clear in my post that I said you hadn't done much to help the WAR side of the clan, I didn't say that you didn't do anything to help at all. Why I got the vibe that you didn't really want to help the warring side of the clan was because of how you responded every time, making excuses for not stepping up our game in wars. (Ex: WG is not about warring speeches) And I am pretty sure that I didn't flame you, more like you flamed me. Did I call you names? No. Did I say that you did absolutely nothing to help the clan? No.

What I did say was that you weren't doing much to try to help improve the war side of the clan and were content to leave it as it was. That was merely based off of what you said to anything I ever suggested, you basically shot down any attempts to try to improve or even talk about improving the War side of the clan. Sorry if I offended you, but I am merely pointing out the facts to clarify things for you as to why I "flamed" you. wink.gif

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Regarding the "doing nothing for the warring side part"

Sadly I didnt notice you had edited them till the next day, if I had seen that I wouldnt have been nearly as annoyed (even though I do quite a bit for the warring sector, as I say take a look where I am most active).

~Evil

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But I hope you can understand the reason why I saw it that way, that you weren't doing anything for the war side. It was cause of the fact that every time I brought something like "we need to do yada yada yada to improve in wars", you always said "Wg isn't about wars", implying that we shouldn't take measures to improve. Also when you said that you only joined WG cause of the skilling sector, again implying that you are biased towards that side of the clan. And since skillers often don't like warring, it implied that you wouldn't like it either, and since you are in a position of power and always seemed to shoot down any ideas to improve the war side of the clan, I took it as you trying to turn the clan into a complete skilling clan. Trade our swords for hoes so to speak.

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I would love to talk to you about your idea's, please feel free to add my MSN ([email protected]) or feel free to pm me when you're next on IRC smile.gif

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That's the thing though, we do a lot of talking in this clan. What we really need to do is take some action. Act upon what we talk about. For example, suggestions have been made over and over again in the forums about having a sniper/anti-snipe unit. And what has been done thus far about it? Nothing really. Posting a topic telling people what to do on the forums isn't going to help much in wars. We gotta practice some stuff and actually establish a special ops or something to that effect that'll deal with things like sniping/anti-snipe, ko'ing binders, etc.




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