Aussie Uprising

So... it's OK for WG to organise wars at 7am for Aussies, and expect us to go.
And we do... almost all of us, many times a year.
Then for one time in an entire year, Eastern Americans are requested to get up at 7am.
Nope, too early.

Aussie dedication compared to the dedication of the rest of the world is superior.
I realise that getting up at 7am should never be expected.
I'm conflicted about the anger I feel.
I shouldn't be, but I am.

W try really hard for you guys, you know. We do it constantly.
When the 7am anniversary event came, no Americans, save Kevin, showed up.
Europeans with school, I understand. West Coasters, I understand.
I dunno. This was a one-off, and NOBODY stepped up to the plate.
Why should the Aussies bother doing it if our dedication isn't reciprocated?

I feel guilty for expecting it, I do... but you have come to expect it of us.
This was FINALLY, an Aussie-friendly time, and it was spoiled by bad attendance.
It seems like the dedication is a one-way street.

Every single time, we bend over backward to fit into your timezones, and you wont' return the favour, even if it's just a one-off.
I understand your side too. I respect your limits. But it doesn't make me any less upset.

The anniversary Day 3 will be postponed to 7am Saturday EST, so that the Europeans can make it. While I can't demand attendance, I (along with all the other Aussies) want a sign that you're willing to return a favour to us once.

EDIT: It also insults Kevin, who showed up after only an hour or two of sleep. He's from your timezone, and he wanted some of you to have his back.

Yea, it's dissapointing to see the shoe on other foot.

Considering I havn't missed a war in quite a long time, you can see why we are reacting like this.

It's like you guys have wars at 5pm, then complaining the one time we get a war at 5pm and say we cant come because it's too late.

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FAGGOT DELETED MY POST I WAS FIRST........


anywayz i agree with everything lordy said and im mad tbh!

I think the only valid reason for not showing up would be because you're getting ready for work/school. Even then, the school excuse should only work for CST and EST, as most American high schools' bells ring at around 8am.

He's got a point. As i answered in Jayson's poll, I would get up early but not sacrifice anything IMPORTANT irl for an important wg event (dates, shit like that). But he's talking true: We are not responding to the commitment that the aussies have by not trying a little bit to commit as well. I'll try my best to go to all events possible (I should make this my catchphrase).

Had an exam, did sign up explaining it all.. But then again, this isn't directed at me.

I'm not going to act the 'big-man'. I would struggle to be up for a 7am event. Normally have lectures/library, and on a day off - a lie-in is always most welcome. But, once a year isn't really an issue. I would try for WG. Especially at this time of year for Clanniversary.

Aww that's really disappointing.
I was in a uni lecture at 12, but i came rushing back so that I could join you at 1pm, but it's far better to have lots of attendees than not.

I just wish some people would consider Gene and the Staff, who put so much work into the Anniversary events every year, before they themselves decide to sleep for a few extra hours...
Gene lasted yesterday on virtually no sleep due to organising the Clan Quest. He gave us ALL of his time yesterday and it's just sad that others can't do the same for him...

Edit: I do however sympathise with the Americans. Getting up early IS a lot to ask, and we appreciate everything you are doing and have done for WG.

I woke up at 6:30am for day two events. So did many other australians. We had a really good pull to day 2. Everyone showed up. Day 3 comes along, apparently too early for most members as EST unit makes up most members. It just disappointing. I'll still be getting up at 4am for wars nonetheless.

i wake up at around 6 every day
but thats 9est
i could set an alarm if an event was that important

I did have the alarm set on my phone, but for some reason when I have my phone in my bed (I text until I fall asleep lolz), the alarm never wakes me up.

Sorry about that..

Not going to lie, what did it for me it was the type of event. If it was a war I most definitely would have woke up in time to attend. The fact that with these events I honestly had little to no interest in was a big factor for me not wanting to wake up.

I'm just being honest. Don't hate :<

Waking up early on a weekend rather than on a Monday is completely different

Was going to go but fell asleep and was worried about a job interview this morning. Shit happens. I don't like this superior crap thing I do get up early for events...

If I didn't have school, I would have woken up and been there. I, however was grasping my last minutes of sleep before my mom woke me for me to get ready for school.

Fucking lolz, you pick 7 AM MONDAY morning when people are either getting ready for school or at school already. Not sure how you expect most of WG to be telling their mom (most likely) that they going to scape before school starts.

If YOU hadn't fucked up and had to push the Anniversary back yet another week it would have been held on MLK day. The day when most Americans don't have school/work. You're attendance would have been much higher then.

Your whole topic is hypocritical and insulting. You want people at 7 AM before school. Fair enough, say they might have 30 minutes at max then assuming their school is late (mine started at 7:22). You want people to get up early for 30 minutes? I'd love for you to find an American who can spend 2 hours in the morning BEFORE school to play Runescape.

Also, if you had actually planned and been prepared and held the Anniversary in December more people would be able to attend because it would have been Winter Break. If you had done that I probably would have attended all the Anniversary events as I have for the past 2 years but this year poor planning has led to poor performance with no one but yourself to blame. Don't take it out on Americans just because you messed up.

New Zealand timezone wins. But yeah it is abit sad to see this.

I just went back to school this week from winter break, my first class is scheduled to start at 7:15, there's no way I'm going to miss a class unless absolutely necessary (i.e. sickness that may cause death), especially not for a RuneScape event. Sorry, life comes first.

I never thought I'd say this, but, I agree with everything QuikDrawNoob has said.

Not going to get up at 6 am on a school day, sorry.

In regards to this, I went to bed super late last night, at 3:00am my time, when the event was at 4:00am. I had tried to stay up but I before too tired. I ended up getting very little sleep as I got up early for exams today and the such.

I'm west coast, I'm exempt from this. >.<

Lol. Joe don't expect me to get up at 4am for a war anymore with that attitude.

Joe do you realise that every single Sunday war is a Monday morning for us?
You take that for granted, so I'll enjoy my lovely sleep-in.

Please guys dont make this an excuse to skip wars, if you don't really need to. I'm sure we don't want that to happen.

Time to solve this. Pick a decent time. If your going to make a war do it on a saturday so its sunday morning. and vice versa for early aussie times.

At the end of the day you should all just move to britain +)

Do you really think dedication is nothing more than waking up early?
Please, as if people (especially the younger members) have nothing to do at 7am on a Monday...
And with what Joe said, it's pretty insulting.
Being all "the Aussies are revolting against the Americans!!11!!!" is the kinda shit that tears the clan apart (and it wouldn't be the first time, huh?)....

Stop playing the blame game.

my schedule:
wake up 6:00am
6:15am shower
6:45am Eat
7:00am check forums etc
7:20 amgo to school
7:40 amschool starts
3:00 amtrack
5:00 am home, play rs/watever


point is, at 5:00am i give my time to wg, all the other stuff is to help me succeed in life. My parents are also a big part of life, and have big restrictions
waking up at 4:00am on school day would get me grounded.... especially if at 4:00 i was playing runescape

I think that we should return the favour.. They have been doing it for us so now its our turn.
But you shouldn't skipp school, a jobb or anything else for a important raid, war etc.
Thats my opinion.

Well, I've been on both sides of this argument having lived in Manila for my final year and being in the Aussie timezone.

I feel the pain of the Aussies because it is a little insulting to put in that effort and then when it's at a time where you don't have to stress nobody else shows you their gratitude.

On the flip side, you have to understand that 7:00 AM is roughly the time people are waking up for school. School generally starts at 8 AM, so you wake up at 7:00 AM to shower, get dressed and eat breakfast at a comfortable pace.

I'm inclined to agree with Joe simply because this could have been avoided. Had this been planned earlier the MLK weekend could have been used to allow the Americans to wake up at that early hour with no repercussions.

You also have to realize that this isn't the exact same thing as a war or a raid. Wars or raids happen often enough that if people don't show it's not like we end up below double digits. But you're picking a Monday morning at 7AM when people have school for one of our most important events of the year...

I mean realistically now, if every Aussie didn't show up to 4 or 7AM events we'd lose a handful of numbers, but the Americans make up the bulk of the memberlist. I'm talking strictly numbers here.

And look at it this way, if you have school at 7AM on Monday morning and instead of getting ready for school you're playing RS for WG, it's not JUST dedication you have, it's also a small problem.

Ok, this shit is wrecking the community.
It's childish and un needed.
I'm sorry Gene but most EST and the like have school at 6 or 7 am and not many of us feel like getting on RS that early on a weekday, it just can not be done.
I for one have to get up at 6AM and have to be in class by 8am with a 1 hour bus ride, meaning I can't attend seeing as all my time is spent getting ready which when I'm done it's 6:45am and I have to leave.
I'm sorry about the way you feel but don't plan important events on weekdays that early.
If it were around an agreeable time then yes, we would make it.

This is getting off track.

Obviously Eugene isn't saying you should all skip school to come to events.

What he is saying is there are people who wouldn't wake up early, just interrupting their sleep, to come to an important event.

Eugene has always been a person to say RL comes first.

If he really did expect everyone to come to wars so often, we would be pulling 90% of our memberlist, but our memberlist would be alot smaller.

So you all need to calm down and take a breath and don't get all shitty over a post.

Trying to figure out of this topic was intended as a compliment for the aussies... or a rant against the americans, but anyway..

I just looked at the sign ups for this event.. how many people that said yes did not show up? It's obvious from the sign ups that this event probably should of been rescheduled before the event was supposed to take place.. and considering most of the reasons had to do with school.. the plan for rescheduling is as simple as picking a day when there is no school.

So what I'm saying is... The sign ups warned of low attendance, which is the entire reason for having sign ups in the first place I believe.. So that you can see if the event time works... this time obviously didn't work.

I'm up at 5 am almost everyday, even on weekends. I come on and do WG stuff with my coffee usually. I am off and on cause I have so much going on here during the 6 to 8 am with helping cook or do whatever. That just happens to usually be a rough time for me.

But to put nation against nation is just wrong. Gene you founded WG to be a world-wide clan and know the difficulty that sometimes that can bring with events. Venting your anger is fine.

Why dont we just change the time for the american timezones raid. cuz ik most people who live in the eastern timezone stay up all night to attend the aussie raid. i dont mind the time its at now cuz i used to always attend until school started. i just say we change the timezone which is being complained about to make everyone happy

Oh and the topic Title "Aussie Uprising"
Hell no Gene.

Are you kidding me?

If it were 4am EST it would make much more sense, but noooo you wanted a better timezone for Europeans so you fuck over Americans.

This isn't about sleep Eugene. You're conflicting with our day. Our life. I'm out of the damn house by 6am. You are way over your head with this one.

I understand that you are angry, thought I don't see why. It would have been best if you kept it to yourself.
You brought this upon yourself.

Aussies are super human, I guess this has now been proven scientifically.

This topic has done nothing for the clan.

I'm wondering if this post has served its purpose and is just causing drama now, and therefore needs to be closed?

Closed to prevent more drama..