Application Process

Ok so, I was looking at the app forum. And I can't help thinking that it's all the more easier to get into WG. Where is our prestige?

We had alot less members getting banned and leaving when they had to work their ass off to get into this clan.

Bring back the thing about intros, where your intro can't just be like 5 lines. My intro's where both over 6 paragraphs long.

And just saying "add suchandsuch" so they can apply. Thats not good enough. The whole point of introing is so that people get to know WG. Just adding them for a picture isn't getting to know them.. It also degrades our commuint a little.

Please take this into consideration.

~Madd

Yes i agree with you, the should write a bit more. It looks more magnificently, and if you are joining you should think about why you want to join and what will be your duties when you join the clan - like a trial guardian. By think thinking help writing more about you and your RS history and so on. Although writting long articles can discourage applicants.
Also there is a quistion: Do we need lazy members who cannot write few more lines in thier application ?
But dont forget that some paragraphs arent written now, such as about No honour clans or antirpking codex.
Good suggetion

Looks at my council app....

Oh Applications is one of the topics I cover

Yes I agree our application system has become very easy, Refferals in particular are becoming a joke when all people say is something like "he's my mate, let him in" which clearly gives us no indication of what the member will be like once they are in WG.

I have been keeping an eye on members that have got in via the refferal system lately, and of our Trails, the least active ones seem to be people who have got in via the 'Refferal' system.

I also dislike people asking for me to add X, it is the kindof request that I will do as a favour, but its not like I can say no without looking really mean? If you really want someone to add a friend you should PM them (here or IRC) and say "hey I met this guy, they're really nice/experienced/active, you should talk to him".

WG at the moment has very few members leaving, and has a decent influx of newer members both joining and joined recently, I definitely think the Refferal system needs a revamp, but I also think we should look at the other factors that are important when letting new members in.

Another potential idea would be to require at least one of the people in their FL photo to reffer the member before being accepted. This person whould obviously not be the same person that reffers them if they are getting in via that method.

This 'new friend' refferal could allow us to see how the person is fitting in with WG even when only recently joined. I would expect a photo refferal to bring up things like:

-Friendliness
-Activity (Have they been on Irc much? In game? Forums?)
-Attitude

On another point I also think our current trial system is not doing so well. At the moment our trials are practically getting a free ride, with not a huge amount of monitoring on how long they take to get their required attendance.

I do have a variety of plans, including the potential return of the mentoring system, to try and solve this problem, hopefully if I get council I will be able to bring them into action.

~Evil

I hate how easy it is to get in WG these days. I had my application closed more than once, and had it re-written a couple of times.

There should be some strictly set minimum word limit in both Introductions and Applications.

If its harder to get into Wg it should make it mentally harder to leave Wg. Personally I also think the applications needed to be made a tad bit harder of a process just so that the appliers will get to know us better!

I concur with the issue on how easy it is to get into WG.

How about members actually getting to vote whether the applicant should be let in or not? Maybe not right after he posts his application but maybe in place of the 'Graduation' process?

For example,
- if 90% of the votes is "Yes, let him/her in", then the applicant should be accepted.
- if 75-89%, then it is up to the Council to decide
- and if below 75%, then it's an auto decline for the applicant.


I feel that this way, the applicants need to work their way around being active and getting along well with members, maintaining healthy relationships and good attitudes.

Whoa. that is soo true.. Madd ftw

Guys this is a cycle that always happens.
1. We make apps easy.
2. Someone says they are too easy.
3. We make apps hard.
4. Less people join.
5. Someone points out that not enough are joining.
6. We make apps easy.
etc...


One of the most stupid things about the RS clan world in my opinion is requiring someone to wait extended amounts of time or type huge amounts of words to get into a clan. Sure they should type more than "I want to join" but don't make them write a freaking essay on it.

A member is not better if he waits longer, he does not want in more, he is just more patient. Patience is a one quality amongst dozens. You can't make it the most important one and make the others worthless, they are ALL representative of a member's quality.

Require people to attend a clan event before joining, that would be what I say. They need to ask people when one is and get invited. It proves that they can make friends and contacts and that they play RS.

I know that it is one option already but make it mandatory. That's the only change I would make.

I like the idea of a forum to discuss trials too.
I don't like voting processes for already mentioned reasons, but discussions are good.

Oh patience is indeed important, particularly with how many random fights come up in WG.

However, to make it the primary focus, which is what making waiting periods, greater introduction times, etc is, would be a shame because that is not necessarily all we are looking for.

I think a good member to WG is:

-Respectful
-Active
-Patient
-Open to posting on forums
-Familiar with IRC
-Enjoys both non wild and wild events.

If they meet those conditions they should be fine.
The question is how to find out if they meet those conditions in the easiest way for them possible. If it is easy, they apply, if we find out their qualities, we only accept the best.

If it comes down to asking them one question, then it comes down to one question. Making them do more for the sake of doing more proves NOTHING.

A few months ago (Maybe a Year, I'm not exactly sure, it's been up and donw with the system) when the Mentor system was in place,

The Mentor's would have to approve of their assigned Mentee before applying.

Another thing idea comes to mind, I'd give examples if I could get one the Z6 forums, oh well. Anyway,

When we had Promotions for Higher and Elite Guardians, when you actually had to Apply for the promotion you would have to receive Sponsors from Higher Guardians (If you were Apping for Higher), Elite guardian or higher (If you were Apping for Elite). The Sponsor would consist of a One to Two Paragraph post explaining why he would sponsor that Member.

Higher Guardian needed 8 Sponsors, Elite needed 10 I believe.

Since recieving Membership into WG is much more than just a promotion I propose about 15-18 Sponsors needed, Four or more of those being in a Leadership Position (Event Co-ord/Mod/Raid Leader/Council/Primary)

Edit, this would require the Applicant/Trial to do no more than what he thinks is neccesary. If that's enough or not will be up for WG to decide.

I think there are some current WG members who are not familiar enough with 15-18 members to get their sponsorship.

That inevitably delays things too due to waiting for that many to reply.
But whatever works, I just don't want to see the length increased simply for the sake of claiming it is tough to get in.

I will try to get to know more intros but it is hard when they dont come onto irc or leave friends to on I try to greet people in the lobby too

Changing the way we take apps alot is not a good thing imo

How well can we know someone in just a few days Maybe make the wait to trial guardian a lil longer to be sure they are lasting type person

I didn't join myself til I knew more people and still have alot to get to know better

Just leave it as it is, it's already come up before, App Managers do know that there is a certain line that an Application must cross before being allowed to enter.

I want to keep that line low. Why fix the fixed, we're doing well, I don't want to change that.

~Abs

i made a super long intro for fun when i was boerd took 30 minutes but 2 page length didnt bother posting.

A lot of things have been mentioned here, changing the applications, changing graduations, changing Higher/Elite requirements. I have read through them all.

It is easy to get into WG. I've stopped adding random intros, because I want to know the person at least a day before I add them. I want to see if they are pleasant to talk to, if they tend to have a holier-than-you, I deserve to be here type attitude. A lot of information can be learned by just watching how the person responds to others talking.

I would like to see a little more work done for applications.
*Winddancir thinks back to her application.
Yeah... Took 2-3 days to write it...

The mentor system:
I find it more effective when one person gets one mentor instead of three mentors being assigned to 3-5 mentees. When that is the case mentors slack off because there are others to pick up the slack. It can be effective though.

And as for the referral thing.
I don't like referrals overall for the reasons me9 pointed out. I do like a forum for members+ to discuss either applicants or trials though.

And I don't think promos should be applied for either. They are earned not requested.

I will Write Up My plan in full sometime

Aye, sorry I think I might have been misunderstood. I was just pointing out the sponsorship system as in how we used them when Members had applied for Promotions.

Don't think I ever requested( Nor did I want to if I had ) that it should be reinstated, just was a good example for explaining the 'Sponsorships' to members that were not their at that time.

i was saying that all the time..but council won't listen so I don't care anymore either, council makes the rules