Claws aloud on raids, but dds aren't?

People are allowed to use claws on raid, but dds's are still supposedly banned from raids. They have the same effects of a dds, just give the user more kills. So are we aloud to use dds's on raids, or are we not aloud to use both?

dds hit 0's on melee armour claws hit lots more. other that that we need more people maging and not just running in with claws.

Only people I've seen with claws are also TBers, which is fine then.

and tje swedish duo taibz and Tayzon

Not getting involved with this i always tb never get loots doesnt matter to me

No claws unless TBing, not just freezing please. Freezers still get kills.

Mages are allowed to use what they want, So mage

DDS should be replaced with bronze dagger. That's how useful it is.

Well lots of people who weren't tbing or even maging were using claws last night. And when your freezing when people are using claws, your not likely to get a kill. As in the time you get one freeze they will have done like 4 hits on them.

On a side note, we killed more people last night then we ever do (ie. We killed pretty much all we managed to hit on).

It's a tough balance, I claw'd for the first time ever last night. I can see the fun! lol.

Mages should be able to if tbers can, as mages do less damage than tbers if you have a good about of tbers.

If its not an official raid, its up to the raid leader to decide.

But on any preped raids, dds is not allowed.

Jayson your avatar disturbs me,

Our biggest problem for a while on raids was mages and not allowing d claws or dd's unless you mage has /will help

Agreed nobody mages on raids, I would be more inclined to mage more often if EVERYONE did so too. That's why I only mage on smaller trips with Jordan and such, with people who are willing to tb and ancient on raids and I can trust, same can't be said about ALL clan members.

Until we make 82+ mage a requirement, people wont mage \_(o.o)_/

plus jordan's right, a team of magers will smash shit up, who uses mage pray in wild l0l

Ancienters get kills all the time. Dunno why people don't want to ancient.

Ancienters get less kills than ranging/melee especially with most people wearing full d hide in the wildy now.

All mages are also at a much higher risk of dieing.

I disagree, making 82 mage a requirement won't mean people will mage. No, most kills go out to the rangers. I'm getting tired of the same people maging each time, and the same people getting all the loot...

I ancient almost every raid, I haven't got a kill since our small fight with Gladz.

I freeze every raid, and rarely get kills.

Freezers get their kills from barrage piles, not a single opponent. If all 20 of us on a raid attack one person, the freezers will hit a max of like 250 or something with Ice Blitz while rangers and meleers can hit far more than that.

There just isn't much of a chance for a freezer to get a kill when we're taking on individuals.

I personally don't see the problem with the DDS. Sure it's cheap, but if you're freezing, you're already risking like 800k in Mystic and runes. Might as well cut those people some slack and let them have a cheap, but efficient weapon that can help get some kills.

Besides, freezers are going to first freeze the opponent then run in with their DDS once they're frozen, simple.

The problem is where people who're risking like 400k with a D-Scimitar try to lower their risk by bringing a DDS. That's when it just isn't fair to those that risk more, and are more likely to die because they're targeted.

Let mages have the choice between acceptable weapons.

On a similar note, what is the current say on Korasi's Sword? Are we allowed to bring that on raids or no?

Korasi is shit in multi so no point in even bringing it.

After today, no claws.

Using what logic ?

To be honest, I'd much prefer if one person got more than his "fair share" of kills, if it increased our total kill-rate.
It's incredibly annyoing when raiding with 5 people, and despite being TB'd and frozen, the guy still manages to escape.
On top of that, finding TBers seems to be hard - I'd like to see two on each raid. If allowing claws means more people TBing, that's fine by me.

Mind you, I've made quite a bit of my loot(and all of my rune/etc costs) off secondary drops - The loads of prayer pots and such that get left behind. And that's not even mentioning the occasional Neitisnot helms and such that get left by the guy who gets the kill.
Just because you don't get kills, doesn't mean you can't make money - Just wait for drops, like happened in the old wildy.

Can't have people waiting at every single kill every single time, we'd be spending LITERALLY half the raid time waiting around to pick up secondary loots.

I always ask who tb'ed after scoring a kill, it's a habit from the old wildy since i wasn't a big fan of the new(old now) wildy.

Took claws to the raid tonight while tbing, I wanted to see what it was like, I have no idea how these clawers are getting kills, first off half the people we kill aren't even TB'd because im still casting the TB when they die and secondly by the time Ive even clicked once (and I have my tb ready on rush) a few "tbers" are already there with their claws out speccin' them.

Yes a raid with kills is good, just dont say you're tbing when you're not, we get a false amount of numbers when its only 2-3 out of the 7 who say they are tbing, we end up having less hybrids.

I say anyway can bring any weapon - no one has objected to members bringing ags or other spec weapon, its time we stopped limiting ourselves in the wilderness.

Also - what happened to enforcing spears/d scims? The only person (and there may be more) who I see constantly bringing spears is Woof, one out of a 60 man ML. one.

I always bring d spear, hence why i started with 25 now down to 3 lol

What you're saying is completely right Robbie, but the fact is that it isn't helping clan organization at all. It is slowing down raids and not helping our organization, and by that, i mean that 20 people killing 1 person isn't improving squat.

We should be killing someone, (the killer) should be looting and everybody else should be fallen in, shares can be given out later. I give my shares to TB'ers after raids. If that person can't loot fast enough and move on with the clan, well guess what? You're becoming a liability in a war or a decent run-in.

Double post: And to what Zooby said, if you're willing to risk something such as an AGS/Dbow /Claws, then let it be, because to be honest it does get people ko'ed alot faster in P2P.

Atleast then it will stop fake tb'ers just so they can use a OP weapon.