Hands Up

My monthly PvP topic

You're wondering why our pulls are so bad? Lets get some things straight.

• "Raids" are fueled by motivation for loot. We are no longer interested in fighting other clans or winning fights. In fact, it seems even when we find teams our size our initial move is to run or tele. People are now coming in dragon claws and dark bows which I find unacceptable.
  
• Rivalry with TBK is an IA? Are you fucking kidding me? Ok first of all lets be realistic - Keanu is trying harder in his clan than 80% of WG put together. Secondly, they're like 20 members and low combat. What the fuck kind of business does WG have hunting them? We can't find fights with clans our size? And I thought the "rivalry" with Oblivion was stupid..
  
• I feel like I bring this up every month but nothing gets changed. The leaders' behavior on raids is fucking unacceptable. Half the time I feel like I'm raiding with six year olds. No one takes it seriously anymore and it's bullshit for those who do.
  
• Do we have ANY goals? All of Lordy's IAs are about himself or something with Jagex. Our clan will never get any better because we have literally no direction. None.

Stop making shit rivalries, stop having shit attitudes, and make some goals.

Edit: Inb4 everyone reads this does nothing.

I don't want to say 'I agree with everything here 100%', because although I do, I feel like I say that on every single one of these topics.

I don't know how I , as a non-staff member can help, apart from the obvious - training, attending raids, encouraging others to attend all events etc.

I disagree with the TBK rivalry. Keanu is doing so well with the clan and WG hates it that a spin-off clan actually appears to (AT THE MOMENT) be doing pretty well.
I just wish you guys would fuck off with the arrogant, egostical rubbish that has got WG into this current detrimental mentality.
Keanu and TBK are doing well. Deal with it. Stop hunting them, we don't need rune platebodies from lvl 80 combat members...

Okay, I was fine with TBK until they decided to get Justin into their clan, who has already threatened WG. I'm not going to stand by and *wait* for the day it starts to happen. I can do something about it now.

I don't give a fuck if it's Keanu's clan or VR, if they are going to talk shit, they are going to get hit.

The reason behind the IA was because Council thought members might backlash about us hitting TBK, and they didn't want a bunch of members to leave.


As for claws and other spec weapons on raids, I am trying to deal with it. You were on the raid, I was calling them out, telling them tb's first or 20% warn. I have given a warn to Taibz and Tayzon for speccing instead of tbing, so it will be taken care of in the next week or so, it's hard with so little raid leaders.


For direction. We are P2P pking and warring whenever we can, but our main aim to work it up it F2P since people don't return/don't have sets. I'll be looking for more F2P Capped PKRI's in the next month or so.



Any other PvP issues feel free to PM to me, March will be the month of rebuilding.

Agreed. I know that i definitely go out to make money from loots. I'm not gonna lie about that, because there arent any clans that wander around in P2P, and if I'm wrong we never find them because there is what 100 worlds to PK in?

This is why i prefer to do SMALL trips to rev caves at an Aussie Time-zone. More loot for everyone plus noone bitches about anything cause everyone knows what their doing. The people that do come understand that they must SHARE. No bullshit is taken, you fuck around and your gone.

This is why i PK for money. I really don't like going out on a trip just to find nothing. Even if we do Venture out of the Rev caves, there is NEVER ANYTHING. Someone needs to make a post on RSC or something to define where big clans go to fight other clans IN THE WILDERNESS.

And I agree staff arent gonna do anything.

Are you referring to that topic about myself where I said that I would be making raids optional attendance and putting more emphasis on planned fights?

Yeah, that sounds like no goals to me.
Randy you have a really convoluted outlook on this.

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As for TBK, I take zero responsibility for that.

We've been in a PvP lull for ages now... I think now we might be started on the right path with these new ideas put into place but I've always been a firm believer of "it starts from the top" and works down and I'm not sure if that is in place at the moment.

I used the term "raiding" in quotations because that terms is hard to define. When WG was a top clan "raiding" meant going out to hunt clans and get in fights. Now it means going to rev caves to kill innocents (because there STILL hasn't been any clarification) and get loot. And saying that there's nowhere else to go is false. Get some scouts and get some tracks. There are plenty of other P2P clans and teams we can fight.

You're right, I haven't seen the things Keanu said. Sorry, it's hard for someone without access to level 3 to be motivated over something that's in there. Even if he said WG can eat shit and die, that won't encourage me to mass up and hit 5 people in F2P. Is that really worth our time?

Raid behavior: Talking excessively, singing, allowing members to not listen to directions, killing innocents, not muting the TS when it should be, and generally not being serious. WG used to be very successful in PvP once and we appear to be a completely different clan. Ask any oldskoolers. Raging mage2 just rejoined and was furious at the amount of shit that goes on in TS and in-game.

Ok first of all, the "you must sign up" things has ALWAYS been a part of WG, people just got lazy and stopped enforcing it and now suddenly it's a "new rule" because it's gotten so bad. Honestly, people have two choices: sign up or don't. If they can't check the forums once every three days or so why are they even here? Kick those who deserve it and it'll scare those who are on the edge. It's not even about attending events it's about letting the clan know you care enough to let them know.

And no I don't mean to whine. I'm just not happy. Every raid I go on my motivation to help WG lessens. Our clan's goals and values have changed dramatically and those who knew the old WG have the right to be angry. I don't see the clan returning to anywhere near the top with the way we're headed, no offense to anyone. And I'm really surprised His Lordship of all people doesn't see this either.

Firstly i agree with everything you have said randy,

Everything needs a lot of work, issues on raids with gear, magick's and interruptions should be a quick fix problem. While this is seeded in the members this problem also flows upwards aswell.

Raiding has changed and i agree with the changes made people that dont want to be their ruin the raid, but with this absence we need planned fights not just F2P. Motivation has lacked for a long time and we need something to pull us out but i dont see that happening anytime soon.

Tbh this rivalry with TBK shouldn't be a threat to WG because we are above them to me it just seems like a waste of time.