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Not impressed
By Randy on 05/04/2011
When I applied for Warlord I was hoping that WG would be slightly more cooperative and motivated to once again become a successful PvP clan. About a month into the position I can really say that I'm not impressed by a lot of things. And you know what, keeping our problems silent is more harmful to WG than saying them. That's my view on things and always has been. We really need to start working on certain aspects of this clan because they're gradually going downhill.
I don't like the teamwork among staff members. From what I've witnessed so far it's pretty much "I do this, you do that" rather than "We'll do this and that" and it sucks. This is not how you run a successful clan. I mean, it's pretty much Rachel doing apps, Kevin doing skilling stuff, Me + Jayson (sort of) doing wars and Lordy making graphics. Council has ALWAYS been divided, I know that, but there used to be a unity for the larger things. I understand as Warlord that PvP issues get thrown at me but in the past ALL WG staff had PvP knowledge... because putting the weight on 1-2 people is a bit ridiculous. Look at all top clans, all their officials are what we consider a "warlord" and we're supposed to be competing with them? A lot of this has to do with timezones. Seeing the leader of your clan for an hour a day is pretty depressing. Not to mention that the 3 American leaders aren't on at the same time, leaving only 1-2 leaders on at once. Again, depressing. And don't get me started on staff attending events... We need to start leading by example. Start hyping up wars that aren't made by Jagex because if you don't what reason do people have to attend? Maybe you haven't seen what makes top clans successful.. it's the desire to win. Something we don't have.
As a Warlord, I'm trying my best to create a passion for PvP its hard with no support. It won't just suddenly appear. It requires effort. WG literally has no pride. We go on raids with kids spamming everything BUT Wilderness Guardians and no one is motivated to attend events. I think we need to stop having so many community and silly Jagex suck-up events so we can start focusing on what's important. Like Eugene's FUCK YOU MOD POPPY thing... um great. Even though you failed to mention we have a serious PKRI the next day and could possibly beat a higher ranked clan assuming we prepped hard enough. But no, I guess putting your face on Jagex's page is more important. Just like the anniversary event, art contest, Runefest, this event which in the end literally has moved us backwards rather than forwards.
And I'm serious when I say I'm angry at the lack of direction WG has. Eugene probably couldn't even tell me what he wants to do with WG. You want us to become #1? Not from what I've seen. F2P or P2P? Who knows, there's no clarity on that either. Does the fact we haven't been ranked on RSC in years fucking bother anyone else? Or has everyone given up? Or do we not even care about our PvP anymore? Right now it seems we're slowly letting go considering our member list is crap, we barely win wars, we have no clan unity, and we don't even know what our goals are.
In short, we need to start focusing on what's actually important. Working together as a clan to achieve something and to stop relying on people for doing jobs. PvP is as important to the Event Leader's job as it is the Warlord. Be more active and more motivated. Start doing too much rather than not enough.
Edit: I'm bring up yet ANOTHER issue I have on communication. I was recently reading Lordy's war when I saw Elyxiatic reading it. I checked ACP and someone overrid him with Clan Ally. Why? And why no post? I personally disagree with that and the biases. And the CR war which was guaranteed rape... nothing. And sending DZ's spy into TBK without telling us? Also, things like this:
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TSaint: Afternoon, we'll I've been talking to His_Lordship/Others and they said I need to chat with you about setting up a P2P War for Next Weekend [1:42pm] TSaint: vs Higher Force [1:44pm] [Randy]: Not right now sorry [1:45pm] TSaint: o.0? Hmm, okay, His_Lordship sounded game for one, but alright [1:45pm] TSaint: Best of luck then
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By His_Lordship on 06/04/2011
EDIT: Alright, I've read it.
Truth be told, I have lost a lot of my game. My motivation is igh but so is my laziness, especially since adulthood has robbed me of much time. It's true that WG lacks clear goals at the moment. I accept plenty of blame.
As for a divided council, I think every council member should lead like they are more in charge of WG. As in, ran as if they were the boss of everything. What this would do, is force me to do apps, prep for wars and such.
It is VERY draining to hype up wars every week. Incredibly draining. I'm 100% sure though that with higher numbers, we'll be more motivated. As our numbers increase, I'm CERTAIN that people will care more about wars. Numbers make wars fun. Do you want to go to a war with 25 people, or 100 people? It's like someone once said, "numbers could make a mass farming event fun".
This is why I'm geared so heavily toward recruitment.
80% of all my work is about getting our name out. We've tried everything, from RSC posts to pens to Jagex events. Nothing has yielded lasting results, but I'm still trying. That's why I believe this Jagex event is of higher priority than the Poison fight. Winning would be freaking awesome don't get me wrong, but a bigger ML will motivate WG, myself included, to get more hyped.
It's hard to hype a small ML, and always has been. In our prime, numbers was what it was all about. 120 people at the DOA war, maxed options at WG+FEAR vs the... etc.
I'm playing to my leadership strengths - propaganda. I'm very good at it so that's where my time is.
I know you don't think I have my priorities straight, but I'm trying hard to recruit. I really am.
PVP does not depend entirely on recruitment. Motivation and organisation are crucial of course, and that's what you're good at Randy. But you can be certain that recruitment factors in. Numbers... that's my area of focus.
As for our goals:
LONG TERM GOAL:
- For WG to be a large scale warring clan in both P2P AND F2P, with plenty of events outside the wilderness in between, and an epic community.
MEDIUM TERM GOALS (That achieve the long term goal):
- WG needs to pick P2P first, get good at that, then transfer to F2P. I choose p2p first because that's what the members like more, and that's where we're better at present. It's also less competitive so we'll get better faster
- In order to get anywhere, we need to satisfy the four pillars of strength. Organisation, numbers, sets and levels, in that order of importance. Organisation comes through practising in battles like the ones you and Jayson set up. Numbers is a REAL problem for us but I am trying to find a solution. Sets and levels aren't a major concern now but could be so I'll be wary.
- Behind all this we need motivation, which is why I'm aimed at recruitment. I'm killing THREE birds with one stone. Bird one - Numbers improve strength, duh. Bird two - numbers make the wars more fun and so the existing members will want to attend. Bird three - New members are generally more motivated to scape since we have a lot of vets who are growing tired of RS.
- We need to find the right leaders that will carry out the above things, and I need to commit to promises. I haven't done a bad job so far. I am updating a lot of things, playing scape a little more, idling in the IRC, and warring weekly. I can lift my game even more though. But my inactivity is rotted in the fact that this is my last semester of Uni, I'm working full time, and travelling every two weeks.
SHORT TERM GOALS will achieve the medium term goals, which will achieve the long term goals. I don't have time to write them all out.
There is a logic to what seems like poor priorities. Recruitment is more important to me than anything. You can see we've got a whole bunch of shitty apps right now, but there are like 2 quality ones in there, and it's been 10 hours. I want to latch onto any opportunity Jagex gives us Randy. I'm sorry that you see me in such poor light, but I'm begging your indulgence in my pursuits. I'm not claiming to be completely on the ball. I could afford to lift my activity, but with the little time I have, I'm doing the things that the four of you simply can't do - Jagex interaction, graphics and presentation for recruitment, and clansite stuff. I am hoping you fill in my gaps, and when I have more time, I will help with the other jobs too, like apps, activity checks, planning fights and such.
I'm all for communication, so if there's anything about this post that you want to expand on, say so and I'll check back every few hours.
By rachellove9 on 06/04/2011
The Mod Poppy thing will get us new members, I'm not sure the quality but tonight I saw at least 3 new people come in his lordship cc and talked with them. One was way to low to even consider joining us atm.
I'm guilty of not attending as many raids as I should. I haven't been at one in about 2 weeks. I've been trying to keep focused on training to get more levels as I thought that was what I should be doing to get closer to maxed melee.
It is tax time for me and that will take me a bit away from RS. I'll still be checking forum and playing or attending things I can. I have to have them all done in 10 days and mailed.
As for the direction of WG, I thought we were more p2p clan but that our wars atm are more f2p cause of the availability of fights? I've really cracked down on the gear requirements in hopes that the quality of members joining would improve. That was the idea the previous council had planned. If you want to change gear again, we can discuss it.
Army/Tom seems to be a really good raid leader, but I would like to see some more promotions soon. I don't know what you are thinking or who, but I am thinking it would be good if we don't wait to long.
Jayson and I have been talking a bit in my mornings. I get the feeling that things are improving in WG. That as a clan, we are going pk more often and the members seems to be liking that.
If I had to pick one area for us to focus on . . . I'd say loyalty. Some of our members are extremely loyal, but we still have some that need to get the fact that they are representing their clan always. Especially in the wild.
I will reread this when I'm not as tired and try to think of other things.
By Randy on 06/04/2011
I do not see you in a poor light, Gene. I just think that there's certain responsibilities that everyone in WG has and especially the leaders. I applaud your attempts at recruitment but lets not forget most of them are reliant on Jagex. Other clans seem to be recruiting well without Jagex's help. How they're doing it? Winning wars... Actually, just having wars. Lets hypothetically say Jagex never contacts us again after this. Then what? We should be using Jagex as a bonus and not our main source of publicity/recruitment.
I will help you build WG up as a large scale warring clan dominant in P2P. But you have to understand how ridiculously hard that is to do.. especially for a clan our size and our relaxed mindset on PvP. In order to do that you'd really need to kick everyone's ass into shape.. including yours and mine. There's A LOT to be changed about WG if that's what you truly want. The P2P clans above us require like 30+ set and have weekly PKRIs. This is huge compared to us, just saying. I would like us to get there but how do we encourage such changes?
I'm serious when I say wilderness dominance is the ultimate recruitment. You might get less recruits than a Jagex movie but more loyal, war-loving members that WG desperately needs.
By His_Lordship on 06/04/2011
I think we have conflicting interests then.
I don't want any of our PKRIs to last more than 90 minutes, ever.
60 minutes should be the standard cap. to aim for.
I'm ANTI-EXTENDED PKRI.
Anything more than 90 minutes plus a 30 minute cap is too much no-lifing and demands too mch from members.
I don't want us to join the rest of the clan world in this outlasting bullshit.
By Randy on 06/04/2011
QUOTE: His_Lordship @ April 06, 2011 01:18 am) |
I think we have conflicting interests then. I don't want any of our PKRIs to last more than 90 minutes, ever. 60 minutes should be the standard cap. to aim for.
I'm ANTI-EXTENDED PKRI. Anything more than 90 minutes plus a 30 minute cap is too much no-lifing and demands too mch from members. I don't want us to join the rest of the clan world in this outlasting bullshit.
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Eh, I think that works both ways. If you tell your members you're doing them a favor by making them shorter wars aren't you discouraging the serious PvP clan attitude you want? How can we be a large scale warring clan if we can't compete with the others? Seems like we're still living in the past a bit don't ya think? Not sure how you plan on making us a "legendary waring clan" if we get dominated in all aspects of modern Runescape warring.
By Jayson on 06/04/2011
We cant expect to change the clan world to suit us though. We have to play to the standards set it front of us. If we cant match others in p2p, then we need to focus on f2p.
And also let me say i have been a fucking disgrace to the council rank over the past 2 weeks.
Also the acp change to maths was me, he was unable to speak on the aussie real life meeting topic, so i gave him a mask with ally rank, totally went past my head to tell everyone.
On the topic of what i want out of wg, on my council application i said that clans get recognized by their warring strength, so we need to work harder on our warring.
We have started with working harder on the application system, accepting people with gear and previous experience.
But honestly, recruiting through jagex is a step backwards in this. They will not have any previous experience and will need to be taught how to tank and follow the piles etc.
Lets face the facts. We need good members, which means we need to recruit from other clans. Which means we need to start winning wars and get a good reputation in the clan world. Beating clans like poisen will do this.
We will have to rely on emeritus and pull alot.
I hope to buy a prepaid internet stick and be able to war and raid whenever again.
By Kevin on 06/04/2011
I disagree with focusing on P2P. We've been doing more F2P fights in the past couple months .. why would we all of the sudden change that? Everybody has been becoming more familiar with F2P, so let's continue to build on it. I don't see a problem with focusing on F2P but having a P2P fight every couple weeks or so.
Not to mention that the selection of clans to fight in P2P are slim. We'd end up fighting AF/KO every week if we got to the point of being good in P2P.
One thing I really think we need to get in a rhythm with is the amount of fights we have per week. I think we should have no less than 2 wars per week. We can't make progress without consistent warring. It's kinda like playing an instrument - you won't get good at it if you only play it once per week.
I'm willing to become more involved with PvP now that my combat has increased and I feel that I've become a better tank. I'd like to primary lead a couple of CWA fights (preferably run-ins) to get some initial experience. If you guys (Jayson & Randy) could help me with organizing fights (basically teach me), that'd be sick. I think it's perfectly realistic for us to have four leaders who are capable of being "warlords" (Gene, Randy, Jayson, and myself).
By His_Lordship on 06/04/2011
Oh my God.
I just got lectured on practising an instrument regularly.
By rachellove9 on 06/04/2011
I love the idea of Kevin leading wars as well. This is how Kyle got started if you remember. He wasn't into leading then Gene forced it one day and he fell in love with it.
Jayson we all have down times, don't get to upset with yourself. You will come back all refreshed and be like a rested person ready to take charge. I'm looking forward to it.
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