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Beware of TMC

By Snowzak on 26/05/2008
http://www.zybez.net/community/index.php?showtopic=1056019

Take screenies of their ML and apps board.

By Robertw56 on 26/05/2008
Already have, that fight proves how bad they are, look how many they lost to so little.

By Snowzak on 26/05/2008
QUOTE (Robertw56 @ May 26, 2008 12:07 am)
Already have, that fight proves how bad they are, look how many they lost to so little.

Yeah. Watch a few vids and you'll find out that piling their fall in leaders would disorganize them totally, thus completing their inability to tank. Additionally, only a small amount of snipers would deal serious damage to their main pile where only a few people bind.

The vids are so blatant about their weaknesses it's actually funny.

If we:

-Pile/Snipe their fall in leaders
-Snipe their hybrids
-Have a good Bind/KO unit

we've got this, and with 40v55 we would have it too.

By Robertw56 on 26/05/2008
I always have my snipers on the leaders, for this war, I'll make sure it's constant, maybe dedicated snipers for different jobs.

We'll have 5 snipers for this war.

I'm going to make the pile transition as quick as possible, and have a good anti-snipe so our people can stay in robes for the pile smile.gif


EDIT - I've already studied TMC's video's, I know there weaknesses.

By Back to Own on 26/05/2008
TMC may be tempted to pile our snipers in while we're disrupting their fall-ins
We may want to assign like 5 +120s as replacements if our snipers get killed

By ArSeNaLfAn32 on 26/05/2008
Me Rob and Evil already analyzed a couple vids and talked together about their weaknesses. We can do this.

By Karlfischer on 26/05/2008
Honestly, in a fight this large snipers are not very useful.

The purpose of snipers is to:
1. Soften the next pile by wasting their food or prayer.
2. Disrupt their organization through piling hybrids or leaders.
3. Try to distract the main pile, thus giving the tank a better chance of living.
4. Encourage the enemy to pile the sniper, since the sniper being a high level stands a good chance of tanking them.
5. Attempt to get a KO if a person is not noticing their HP.

All of these purposes are very useful in smaller wars, but not so much in larger wars:
-In bigger wars, your main pile kills the target before all the food and prayer are used up (idealy getting a instant KO), so there is really no need to soften the target.
-Sniping a few hybrids in a large war is not going to affect their binding, and sniping the fall in leader will likely result in an instant death for the sniper.
-With that many people, a sniper is not likely going to make a difference. The result most likely will be that they will finish the current kill, then pile the sniper. The net result is that they get an easy pile without having to fall in and walk.
-With 50+ people it is very hard for a sniper to tank. These are the very people that you will need to tank later in the war, you should not waste them right away.
-While it might be easier to get random KOs in a large war, the effect is less, and is very likely to get the sniper killed.

The key in the early part of the war is quick pile transitions and instant KOs. Sending 5+ of our heaviest hitters out to snipe takes away from the main pile and effects our ability to get these instant KOs. It is imperative in the early part of the war that we get KOs and do not allow anyone to tank us, which means we need to put all we have into one pile.

I would advise having no snipers in the first part of the war, and instead have those who would be snipers be anti-snipers. If TMC does send snipers at us, we will have enough power to take them out right away.

Once we stop being able to get instant KOs (or when TMC gets down to about 30 people) five of the anti-snipers become snipers--we send them in to soften up the next pile and disrupt the organizaton of TMC.

I think we can beat TMC anyways even if we bring out our snipers early, however our snipers will be most effective if we save them for later in the battle.






By Colinwarrior on 26/05/2008
Lol, we've got this fight in the bag. hash.png

By Back to Own on 26/05/2008
QUOTE (Karlfischer @ May 26, 2008 02:47 am)
I would advise having no snipers in the first part of the war, and instead have those who would be snipers be anti-snipers. If TMC does send snipers at us, we will have enough power to take them out right away.

Actually yea you're probably right..Snipers have shown their value in matched opts, but in full outs they might not be as valuable. Anyways, we cant afford to be losing our best snipers in the beginning

One of our greatest weaknesses will be getting koed. Its ALOT harder to tank +50 people, and I can gurantee that the majority of the newer members have had little to no experience in full outs.

By Zlatan83 on 26/05/2008
At the video you can also see Mori's strategy abit since we will be fighting both in CWL.

By Robertw56 on 26/05/2008
Karl, my plan is basically this;

Keep all our snipers back until they have around 30 people left.

While there not sniping, they will be on anti-snipe, giving us around a 6-7 person anti-snipe, which could hit someone pretty hard if they keep coming back to snipe.

~Rob

By Pazenon on 26/05/2008
I saw that we can make this war for their RAW rank, why not? I can say that we will be hell alot more prepared than them hash.png

By Zlatan83 on 26/05/2008
Was thinkin of that earlier Paz , why didn't we make it for RAW ranking as well tongue.gif?

By Snowzak on 26/05/2008
QUOTE (Zlatan83 @ May 26, 2008 05:23 pm)
Was thinkin of that earlier Paz , why didn't we make it for RAW ranking as well tongue.gif?

Cuz Rob fails hash.png

By Karlfischer on 26/05/2008
QUOTE (Robertw56 @ May 26, 2008 01:58 pm)
Karl, my plan is basically this;

Keep all our snipers back until they have around 30 people left.

While there not sniping, they will be on anti-snipe, giving us around a 6-7 person anti-snipe, which could hit someone pretty hard if they keep coming back to snipe.

~Rob

Very good plan Rob.

Colin, we actually do not have this war in the bag. It is one thing to have confidence in our abilities, which I very much do, but underestimating TMC is dangerous. If we want to win this war we need to pull everyone we can get. Hell, I have a friends wedding that day, and I am going to try to sneak away from the reception to attend the war! The point is that some people should not be thinking that it does not matter if they come because they think we already have the war in the bag or they will not make a difference in the outcome of the war.

BTO, you are absolutely right about us getting KOed. With 50+ people it is inevitable, we just have to make sure we are KOing them faster. That is why in the first part of the war instant KOs and quick pile transitions are the key.

Zlat, that is a good point...it would be nice for us to jump 10+ raw ranks, lol. It does not matter that much though, if we do our job and win these wars, I think the RAW manangers will do their job and adjust the ranks accordingly.






By Kiwi011 on 26/05/2008
My opinion

Due to our lack of full out experiance, we will be going through quite a few KO's. Look at their war vs MORI, there were hellofalot of k0's. Snipers need to not be used much at all. TMC attacked basically the closest target each time, didnt you notice that?

I am worried right now from inexperience from all members b/c of our lack of full out war experience. Now, putting rune on whenever we are close to tmc, and having pray screen up will be more important than ever....its gonna be a hell of a ride, ill tell you that much.

By Tmal34 on 26/05/2008
If I come I want to anti-snipe or snipe smile.gif

By Colinwarrior on 26/05/2008
QUOTE (Karlfischer @ May 26, 2008 06:59 pm)
QUOTE (Robertw56 @ May 26, 2008 01:58 pm)
Karl, my plan is basically this;

Keep all our snipers back until they have around 30 people left.

While there not sniping, they will be on anti-snipe, giving us around a 6-7 person anti-snipe, which could hit someone pretty hard if they keep coming back to snipe.

~Rob

Very good plan Rob.

Colin, we actually do not have this war in the bag. It is one thing to have confidence in our abilities, which I very much do, but underestimating TMC is dangerous. If we want to win this war we need to pull everyone we can get. Hell, I have a friends wedding that day, and I am going to try to sneak away from the reception to attend the war! The point is that some people should not be thinking that it does not matter if they come because they think we already have the war in the bag or they will not make a difference in the outcome of the war.

BTO, you are absolutely right about us getting KOed. With 50+ people it is inevitable, we just have to make sure we are KOing them faster. That is why in the first part of the war instant KOs and quick pile transitions are the key.

Zlat, that is a good point...it would be nice for us to jump 10+ raw ranks, lol. It does not matter that much though, if we do our job and win these wars, I think the RAW manangers will do their job and adjust the ranks accordingly.

Well it is my opinion and projection that we are going to win this war by a healthy margin.

By Pazenon on 27/05/2008
QUOTE (Karlfischer @ May 26, 2008 06:59 pm)
It does not matter that much though, if we do our job and win these wars, I think the RAW manangers will do their job and adjust the ranks accordingly.

Karl, both clans should agree beforehand on whether the fight will be for a clan's RAW rank or not.

By General199 on 27/05/2008
Hopefully I will be at this war.

By Karlfischer on 27/05/2008
QUOTE (Pazenon @ May 27, 2008 12:27 pm)
QUOTE (Karlfischer @ May 26, 2008 06:59 pm)
It does not matter that much though, if we do our job and win these wars, I think the RAW manangers will do their job and adjust the ranks accordingly.

Karl, both clans should agree beforehand on whether the fight will be for a clan's RAW rank or not.

Yes, you are right, but I would not be surprised if in the end that the RAW managers adjusted the ranks based on the CWPL results.

Gah, next war lets just declare for rank.

By General199 on 27/05/2008
Who cares for the RAW now that we have brackets for warring and there will be constant full out and matched ops for all clans. You can basically say you are one of the best if you are in the top bracket. If you are at the bottom bracket then you have lots of work to do to get to the top bracket.

By chip54321 on 27/05/2008
ya...they dont look too great

should be easy if we pull enough people

By Mickey on 28/05/2008
We definetly have this fight in the bag.

By David on 28/05/2008
We should be having practice sessions as often as possible for preparation.

I think we can do this, but we have to make sure we're on our A-game. We need to not make mistakes and make sure they are pressured. Honestly, we should try and predict what we'll be doing for the war.

What I mean is take a look at their ML and start picking out based on levels and such who our top candidates for our first pile will be and just inform people. Try to gather information about them, determining who their best tanks are and their best snipers if they plan on using them.

By Mager123789 on 29/05/2008
We should never underestimate any of your opponents..



By Zlatan83 on 01/06/2008
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