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Bonus Pro Silentium Exp for doing quests

By Karlfischer on 01/06/2008
With all the focus on training, it is easy to forget about doing these two important quests: Another Slice of Ham, and As a first resort.

Yes, your time is better spent doing these quests than training, and since they detract from training time, there should be some sort of compensation for doing them.

Here is what I propose:
As A First Resort provides inf. run, which is more beneficial than getting a few agility levels. As such doing this quest should count for 300k agility exp.

Another Slice of H.A.M gives you the goblin mace, which enables you to boost your prayer by the amount you special. It is possible to hit over 20 with this, which means that instead of going to the war with 70 prayer, you could go to the war with 90+ prayer! The benefits carry over to f2p too, which means doing this quest is much more important than getting a few prayer levels. As such this quest should count for 300k prayer exp.

The quests can be done any time durring the Pro Silentium competition, however the bonus exp only goes towards the respective agility and prayer tiers.



By Back to Own on 01/06/2008
Most wars dont allow the use of infinite run
300k prayer exp and 300k agility is alot for a 1hr to 1 1/2hr quest

Not a bad idea though, maybe a couple of tweaks

By George on 01/06/2008
I may suggest this for Another Slice of H.A.M, but not for As A First Resort.
Another Slice is actually helpful, As a first resort is not for our wars, since we very rarely use infinite run in wars and almost definately will not be for the CWPL.

300k is very steep, I would say more like 50k if it takes an hour, because that's how much you gain through training for an hour.

But a good idea nonetheless I will talk it through.

~George king.gif

By David on 01/06/2008
You can't say that 300k is to steep for a 1 -1.5 hr quest because the benefits are endless. Sure in one hour you can get 50k exp, but think about this. For that one hour you do that quest, you can have 90+ for every war. Sure the time spent training could go for 99 Prayer, but then with the quest you could have 100+ Prayer.

I think 300k is fine for the Prayer aspect, but not agility.

I agree that 300k for Agility is to much because we don't use the infinite run bonus enough and the benefit of the spa is connected to your Agility level, so by not training Agility you decrease it's effectiveness (though still effective).

By chip54321 on 01/06/2008
what about people who already did the quest though. Also, it would be kidna hard to prove

By Kiwi011 on 01/06/2008
maybe 150k or 200k....300k is steep.....but yes, i havent done either quest, and well i dont have the req quests done/skills needed to do some of them L.......so yea think about that before u go on how long a quest takes ppl.

By Tmal34 on 01/06/2008
I think 100-150k would be sufficient to motivate people, which is the goal, yet not offer too unfair of an advantage.

By Parth23 Jani on 01/06/2008
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 01, 2008 09:10 pm)

300k prayer exp and 300k agility is alot for a 1hr to 1 1/2hr quest


People have been asked to do these quests tons of times.
If giving more Xp for this competition makes them want to do this quest , why not?

By General199 on 02/06/2008
You can use the Ancient Mace special in every war as the opposing clan would never know.
Infinite run is not allowed in every war.

By Karlfischer on 02/06/2008
Good feedback everyone!

Those who have said the bonus is set high, you are completely right. I purposely set them high to make a point that doing these quest is more important than training, with the assumption that I would rather go too high and have it lowered in implementation than to aim too low in the first place.

Those who say the quests only take an hour are completely wrong. For some it may only take an hour, but others may not have the necessary prerequisites and so the compensation needs to be large enough to incorporate those who will have to spend a lot of time just getting to the point where they can do the quest. For example, I had to do three quests before I could do Another Slice of H.A.M, and so it actually took me 5 hours to get the Ancient Goblin Mace.

Those who noted that the ancient goblin mace is much more valuable than inf. run, are of course completely right, and I should have accordingly made a difference in the exp bonus. There is also another key difference: prayer takes lots of money, agility does not. This means that by giving a large prayer bonus it allows those without so much money to atleast allows those who do not have millions to spend to get into the running.

I am not going to give definite numbers for the bonus, as I think the leaders are capable of making the decision, however the bonus for doing Another Slice of Ham should be larger than the bonus for doing As a First Resort.

There are a few implementation issues that I should address:

First of all, those who have already done the quests will obviously receive no bonus. The point is that people are being generously (and I stress generously because these quests are important) compensated for spending time doing these quests when they could be training. In other words, if we do not have this compensation, there is actually an incentive to not do these quests because in doing so you will fall behind in the competition. Those who have already done the quests do not get any bonus because they are not using up time that they could use for training, and so it would just be giving them free xp which would be completely unfair.

There is an implementation problem with verifying that these quests have been completed. There is really no other way but to have people screenshot the completed quest screen, and hope that no one takes advantage of the compensation by posting one of their old screenshots or faking a screenshot.

There is also an implementation problem with the monthly schedule. If the competition winners are announced monthly. Obviously then you cannot have someone do the quest later and have it count for the previous month if the results have already been tallied. There are two solutions I see to this:
-Make it so that you cannot do the quest once the month of that skill (agility and prayer respectively) have passed. Make sure that people know that you can do the Another Slice of Ham quest ahead of time though and still receive the bonus, or else this creates an incentive to wait 2 months before they do the quest.
or..
-Make it so that the bonus can be used in any of the 8 skill areas. Of course then in the interest of fairness the bonus should be somewhat smaller.

Thank you for the feedback, and I hope this idea is implemented in one form or another (I do not care if it is not the form I have proposed) so that we are not encouraging people to get two prayer levels when they could do the Another Slice of Ham quest and get 15+ extra prayer levels every war.



By Back to Own on 02/06/2008
QUOTE (Parth23 Jani @ June 01, 2008 05:33 pm)
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 01, 2008 09:10 pm)

300k prayer exp and 300k agility is alot for a 1hr to 1 1/2hr quest


People have been asked to do these quests tons of times.
If giving more Xp for this competition makes them want to do this quest , why not?

Im not saying its bad to give em exp, but the suggested exp is too steep

What about the people that actually did the quest before hand? 300k prayer exp is a huge unfair lead for the people that took it out of their own time to do this quest, instead of the people who are doing because of this training program

No offense intended towards people that didnt do it or plan to do it.

By Kiwi011 on 02/06/2008
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 02, 2008 07:48 pm)
QUOTE (Parth23 Jani @ June 01, 2008 05:33 pm)
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 01, 2008 09:10 pm)

300k prayer exp and 300k agility is alot for a 1hr to 1 1/2hr quest


People have been asked to do these quests tons of times.
If giving more Xp for this competition makes them want to do this quest , why not?

Im not saying its bad to give em exp, but the suggested exp is too steep

What about the people that actually did the quest before hand? 300k prayer exp is a huge unfair lead for the people that took it out of their own time to do this quest, instead of the people who are doing because of this training program

No offense intended towards people that didnt do it or plan to do it.

i need to do 4 quests so i can do another slice of ham.......thats at least 6 hrs of work tbh......300k is steep and 250k is probably better......but seriously? 6 quests is a lot and for me, and probably many others, i bet they will have to do 2-4 like me.

and i think the point of this is to benefit the clan, this is an incentive to do it. I personally would. I am not going to stop my def training to do 4 quests(i fhking hate quests) and waste 4-6 valuable hrs.

By Karlfischer on 02/06/2008
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 02, 2008 07:48 pm)
QUOTE (Parth23 Jani @ June 01, 2008 05:33 pm)
QUOTE (Back to Own @ June 01, 2008 09:10 pm)

300k prayer exp and 300k agility is alot for a 1hr to 1 1/2hr quest


People have been asked to do these quests tons of times.
If giving more Xp for this competition makes them want to do this quest , why not?

Im not saying its bad to give em exp, but the suggested exp is too steep

What about the people that actually did the quest before hand? 300k prayer exp is a huge unfair lead for the people that took it out of their own time to do this quest, instead of the people who are doing because of this training program

No offense intended towards people that didnt do it or plan to do it.

I purposely put the numbers steep, however if you take a good look at the math the exp bonus is actually not that outrageous.

When I have used dragon bones at the gilded alter, I estimated that it took about 3 minutes per trip (someone correct me if they have a different figure). So that means you can do roughly 20 trips per hour. 20 trips x 28 bones = 560 d bones/hr. Each d bone at the gilded alter is worth 252 xp. 560 bones x 252 xp = about 140,000 xp/hr.

In my case it took 5 hours to do the prerequisite quests and that quest..if I had enough money I could easily have made over 300k prayer exp in that time. It would probably take someone like Kiwi even longer than 5 hours since he has more quests to do. On average I am guessing it will take people 2-3 hours to do the requirements and the quest, and that time spent is about the equivalent of 300k prayer exp.

Do not get me wrong, I am fine with the bonus being reduced, but I still want for there to be a fairly substantial incentive to do the quests. For my part I am glad to put up with a little unfairness in this competition if it makes us better as a clan.


EDIT: Lol Kiwi, I hate doing quests too. I find it somewhat ironic that I am the one making this suggestion.



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