It WAS funny, but now it's not.

Congrats! You have just been kicked from #WG! Now you'll have to stop what you were doing to rejoin! Hahahahah!

hahahaha...

hahah...

ha...

...ha?

Yeah, so i'm not going in #WG anymore until this problems resolved.
I would do something because it's gettign really annoying.

Some things are funny and some things aren't.
I think everyone gets kicked in #WG every 10 seconds and it's annoying

I'll be enjoying #wg_lobby

And I know there's a list of supporters..
I'm not gonna be annoying and be like MARTYRR!!! but i'm posting this to prove a point.

+1

And this is the correct way to deal with it,

Those people with the matyr signatures, what do you really think you are going to achieve? why do you think you will get kicked?

.... Its because I'm betting that all that will happen is people will think you're taking the piss, having a laugh, whatever you want to call it.

I stopped several days ago, I guess it's time for everyone else to?

--Edit--

If you do get kicked and you feel it was unfair, take it up with either the OP/H-Op that did it, don't just let it brew.

If you have no luck with them then contact a council member/leader...

Still, laughing and joking shouldn't be booting.

Remember folks, "haha" not "!k"

told you guys i wasn't going to come on for a week if i got Kicked today. and guess what. see ya in a week.

I haven't ever experienced a kick from WG apart from the flood protection (i space out my words too much with paragraphs ) or from 'Activity Check' :S

I have however seen !k being used quite a lot, and i do believe pretty excessive Perhaps the !k command should only be used when having to kick due to actual rule breaking, that could proove beneficial

Staying out of the channel for a week does nothing but negatively effect yourself though. You have less of a chance of being reminded of events (i know you can originally check events here ) and you cant chat to your fellow clan members. Perhaps like evil said, take it up with specific facts and quotes with the leadership and it could be resolved directly

~Mugger84

[ 18:01:20 ] ::: Kick: planolocal was kicked by Arsenalfan32 (no u)
[ 18:02:14 ] ::: Joins: planolocal ([email protected])
[ 18:02:14 ] ::: Mode: ChanServ sets (+v planolocal)
[ 18:02:16 ] +Squelchyfish: !cooking #94
[ 18:02:21 ] +planolocal: rofl arsenal u kicked me
[ 18:02:26 ] +planolocal: =o
[ 18:02:29 ] %Indivi2you: yeah...
[ 18:02:30 ] %Indivi2you: lol
[ 18:02:30 ] +planolocal: o=
[ 18:02:40 ] +[Randy]: POWERABUSELOL
[ 18:02:44 ] +planolocal: anyways... im out guys
[ 18:02:54 ] +Crucio01: arsenal
[ 18:02:57 ] +Crucio01: kick me, but if im ur friend
[ 18:02:58 ] +Crucio01: dont
[ 18:02:59 ] +Crucio01: =[
[ 18:03:01 ] +planolocal: PEACE OUT GUYZ
[ 18:03:01 ] ::: Kick: [Randy] was kicked by Indivi2you (ja sir)


Funny till it happens to you.

Seriously though, those of you saying you were power abused today (besides the ones that actually were :$), look at what you were doing before you were kicked. I can use Joe and Kiwi as an example here, started annoying the hell out of Rob and wouldn't stop in the irc, so you can see what happens.

Pyro in your case, you just gotta realize that WG is made up of a lot of teenagers looking for a laugh, if you say "Don't kick me or I wont be back here for a week" then your looking to be kicked because there's people that will do that.

EDIT: [ 15:43:09 ] +Pyro_Blade26: i triple dare you both o.0

So yes you can see why you were kicked now.

1. You can't provoke people to try and kick you.
2. Those who kick unnecessarily. Come on guys grow up or something.


Our IRC has deteriorated to a gigantic crap hole. You can stop it. All that it is now is a porn e-sex fest, or spamming. That isn't what it is there for. So please just think about others before you do or say whatever you are going to.

You're asking for it if you tempt them.
However, if you don't and are kicked nonetheless, then something is wrong with the people we're giving power to.
I know many of you tempt that person to kick you before you are kicked.
And now you are winging because of it.
See, people like mugger don't provoke others, and he is never kicked.

So if you want it to stop, don't provoke them to kick you.

The other side to this is that some are kicking you because you take the piss out of them.
Instead of kicking them mods, trying just laughing.
Like, sure you have jokes at them sometimes + they have no power to kick you.
Don't flex your muscles by kicking them all the time.
Grow up, laugh, don't kick.

I posted that Randy because it made your topic title seem ironic

I didn't directly say who... "that WG is made up of a lot of teenagers looking for a laugh." This is at anybody, the people that have the power seem to enjoy themselves a bit more, if you get where I'm going with this.

If you want I'll go 4 hours back from when you were kicked and see how many of those were actually power abuse kicks. :s Although some of them I can't tell because Rob kicked for PM spam.

It's totally unnecessary. People who spam and shit don't get kicked, but people who make a joke do? C'mon, suck up the jokes people make about you and don't kick them. They don't mean them seriously..

[ 14:03:09 ] ::: Action: *Winddancir laughs < ---- Start of 4 hrs

[ 17:43:30 ] @Darkzero101: !k QuikdrawJoe i <3 power abuse
[ 17:43:30 ] ::: Kick: QuikdrawJoe was kicked by X (i <3 power abuse)

[ 18:01:07 ] +planolocal: rofl
[ 18:01:10 ] +planolocal: slacker
[ 18:01:20 ] ::: Kick: planolocal was kicked by Arsenalfan32 (no u)

[ 18:03:01 ] ::: Kick: [Randy] was kicked by Indivi2you (ja sir) - End of 4 hrs


There you go, from what I can tell in 4 hours those are the Power Abuse kicks. There were a few that I can't tell because I know people were spamming Rob to get a war at the time so I left those out. I'll even go through and get all the kicks for you if you want.

And just to add, you can't even say "I'm only saying something because it's happened to me." because it hasn't. I haven't been excessively kicked like others have, but I still find it totally ridiculous when it happens.

Hell, it's totally predictable too. When people say certain things, the first that comes to mind when I read them is, "Oh boy, he's about to get kicked."

[ 15:34:22 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Buzz (Buzz)
[ 15:34:33 ] ::: Kick: bto was kicked by Buzz (Buzz)
[ 15:34:41 ] ::: Kick: QuikdrawJoe was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:34:51 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:35:06 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:37:10 ] ::: Kick: bto was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:37:58 ] ::: Kick: bto was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:38:01 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)
[ 15:38:50 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Banned)
[ 15:39:18 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Banned)
[ 15:39:43 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Robertw56 (Banned)
[ 15:47:37 ] ::: Kick: Kiwi011 was kicked by Winddancir (Winddancir)
[ 16:18:56 ] ::: Kick: [Martyr]Joe was kicked by Zlat (change your name)
[ 16:18:56 ] ::: Kick: [Martyr]Kiwi was kicked by Zlat (change your name)
[ 17:43:30 ] ::: Kick: QuikdrawJoe was kicked by X (i <3 power abuse)
[ 18:01:20 ] ::: Kick: planolocal was kicked by Arsenalfan32 (no u)
[ 18:03:01 ] ::: Kick: [Randy] was kicked by Indivi2you (ja sir)

All of the kicks, same time period. If you want any evidence for any of em feel free to post, I can try to find most evidence, but like I said some were PM.

Don't ask for evidence if we already know it's a power abuse kick.

Pyro's was after.

and I'd have to say that Joe and Kiwi deserved them from the start.

[ 15:33:56 ] +Kiwi011: WE WANT A WAR NOW!

^^ Over and over again, first kick I gave him.


[ 15:34:26 ] +bto: $#@@@@@@@@@@@@$)*&$#@(*&%&$#*($&(&*$

^^ First kick I gave bto, he did it twice before I kicked him.


Looking now [ 15:34:41 ] ::: Kick: QuikdrawJoe was kicked by Robertw56 (Robertw56)

That one is Power abuse, I see no reason for it unless it was in PM.

Yes, but that is only today. You would have to be blind if you never saw any of this before. It happens every day, and no one can say it doesn't. The amount of kick that are actually legit I can't imagine being more than 20%. After dealing with it for all this time everyone woulkd agree it's old and not funny anymore.

1. we did spam, but no1 was talking before that and it sparked conversation as people went lol, screw you, no and so on.
2. Rob didn't respond so how could we no we were annoying him. When we rejoined all I saw were people going epic fail, gf, nice.....
3. We need to war more than just the o so amazing cwpl fights and the gay triforce tactic war.
4. Banning me from #wg+lobby for putting [Martyr] in front of our names is not a bannable offense b/c is started w/ me and joe joking around w/ that not meaning anything and lets not forget there have been much worse nicks in the irc so piss off and stop pmsing about a joke.
5. Ok for hops to spam and not banned. I remember a certain occurance where hops spam for bandit spots, b/c some1 scored a goal in a game, b/c they got a good drop and so on.........well blow me b/c me and a few others went and spammed "get us a war", or "make rob get us a war" when some1 said "only i can ask rob to get us a war" when they spammed it also(a hop).

but yea. I admit i was kicked most of the time today for a good reason, however a few of the bans by people other than rob(i deserved that after probably the 5th failed attempt at a kb) were totally undeserved. Not to mention im guessing around 1-49 have reasons,50-300+ kicks a day on the irc are not kicked for an actual reason.

As one of my bans today said in the reason part. Bite me.

I can see the occasional kick for fun, but when a member asks not to be kicked. Stop. I had my fill last week and said something. It didn't stop until I went to far and actually deserved it.
Seriously if some1 says stop like pyro/other mems have. Stop and dont test them.
If the person has a since of humor, only kick them when your joking around and its a fit time. Not just random kicks.

Also. I am against all of the future 2 week challenges as it is hell for the clan members that get kicked and causes many many people to think about quiting.

I think I've kicked one person from the IRC in the past few weeks, and that was Joe today because he said I was the HoP/OP who kicks the least, so I did it as a joke

Kiwi don't bring the martyrs and sigs and stuff into this topic it makes it look stupid. If you want to be taken seriously then don't be immature about it.

Well, seeing as this is so important to various people, I may as well add my two cents to this whole party.

I was there, and eve participated twice (I think?) in asking Rob for a war (politely mind you). In any case I wasn't kicked (as far as I know, I don't monitor the IRC like a hawk).

That's just a little background.

So, the thing is that the people who do have power have almost always have to take the high road. If someone makes a joke about you, let it be. Most of the time they are just having some harmless fun. It is power abuse when you kick someone because they make a joke about you, or start to irritate you. The power is not here for you and your personal reasons, it's with you because you've been trusted to use it with good judgement and kick only when necessary (increased swearing and use of profanity are some examples).

Now, on to the "abused" people. You shouldn't provoke them. They abuse their power simply because you're bugging the hell out of them. If you don't want to get kicked, don't spam or bother them profusely. Just a couple of stupid messages every once in a while is fine and makes for a good laugh, not multiple people constantly saying "we want a war!" That doesn't do anything but aggravate those with power. If you do that, you're asking to be kicked because you're leading them on, putting you at fault.

Both parties need to back up and re-think their actions. Meaning those who can kick can't have the mindset of "Shut up or I'll kick you," even if it goes on for longer than it needs to because it's power abuse. Using the no spamming rule is just a scapegoat for getting your way, and is almost like a red flag for power abuse. I don't mean that it's not a rule, but it's a rule that can apply to practically anything and is like a freebie. Those who were kicked can't just think "If he kicks me, it's power abuse and I'm in the right, so I do this," because you can't. If you do what you want, when you want and listen to nobody, you're asking to be punished. For a while it's funny, but after a few minutes you're just being babies. Grow up and just say "alright, I had my fun, I'll be quiet for 30 minutes and maybe come back."

Settle this like mature teenagers please.

Buzz, not to be rude or anything, but stop being so defensive. It's like you're attacking Randy for stating his opinion. You're shoving this evidence in his, and everyone else's faces like it's a killing blow. All it's doing is making more people angry because it's as if (note that I'm saying "as if" not declaring your actual intentions) you're showing everyone you can't be wrong. Sure you pointed out the power abuse kicks, but that was more of a "see, you're blowing this out of proportion, shut up," rather than a "alright, so there was some power abuse going on, I'll look into that more and see what I can do to decrease that kind of behavior."

A kick as joke, like DZ showed is ok in once in a while. However, when it becomes a constant thing people wont like it.

I will however admit that I deserved it though

I was bored

You all are so wierd
The anti-power abuse huh?

I suck at using IRC, haven't been on for ages but I plan to figure it out soon enough and I hope I don't get kicked ;$

Absolute power absolutely corrupts.

Actually its become the norm rather than the rule.
All the ops/hops kick for no good reason. Someone gets "annoyed" and they kick/ban someone ?
Excuse me that is stupid beyond words. You warn someone to act right, give them a chance to straighten up before you kick them. It is abuse if its done repeatedly.
Gorge was playing around and threatened to kick me the other day cause I said "goodnite fatty" to him.
I told him point blank..you kick me and I won't come back in irc again.
It has gotten to the point none of the rules are being followed.
The "sex" talk is out the roof, spam is out of control at times.
Remember though the IRC is our community, it is what bonds us together.
Before you get kick happy, remember the person you are kicking is a REAL person and they do have feelings.
Someone is going to get hurt by this. Put yourself in their place before you let your emotions rule what you do.
I remember the good times in the irc when we would joke around and have so much fun. Those days seem golden now in my memory.
Just try and be more thoughtful of what you do. I think that would be the solution rather than finger pointing.
It's a useless thing and honestly not worth the stress it causes.
This is just my two cents.

Jenny

Okay so before this topic becomes a flamefest/off topic/locked, I would just like to sum up this whole topic as we need to enforcethe rules and make more strict guidelines. We need to cut down on the sex talk because not everyone is comfortable with it, and we need to stop pointless kicking.

Thank you and goodnight

Fun in moderation, very annoying when the moderation's breached.

Some of it has been for legitimate reasons, but other times, just messing around. Some newer members may look at the kicking and think 'what's going on?', and with good reason.

Wow and I thought the IRC was well maintained. Some people need a bit more maturity and shouldn't over-use the kick button. It's a privilege to moderating the IRC channel, be proud and don't abuse it.

As jenny says, the SPAM and sex talk is out of control, Atleast give a Reason to why you are going to kick someone instead of no reason or stupid pointless messages such as "no u".

Also i agree with Joe, there is always the /ignore <name> option if someone is annoying you or getting out of hand. Mass kicks are pointless too, they achieve nothing.

I agree with this topic 90% randy, what you must realise is that there are some people with a different sense of humour and find it funny if someone is kicked. Myself on the other hand does not and i would like it to stop.

As for the no sex talk, this should be a Perm Rule, it makes the IRC Channel look untidy and there maybe some people in there who are not adults and do not like that kind of sex talk.

Honestly I'm real tired of the Sex talk and figured I would mention that since it came up.
As most of you know, I've been trying to focus on greeting new members of late, and everytime i look at #WG, I'm scared to death that as soon as they get in the clan they are going to turn around and leave because ALL anyone seems to talk about in there is spam and sex.

I enjoy a good time as much as anyone else, but #WG is not for that.
And the 3 days without sex talk?
No offense but that is bullshit.
I was in there for those 3 days and all it was, was a mockery. The talk still happened it was just like it would come up and someone would say "LOL GLAD ABS ISN'T HERE" and then the talk would carry on.
Freaking ridiculous.

I feel the same way Tmal. I recently recruited my friend and his first time in the chat was during yesterdays spam war...

As i said Tmal, it's becoming out of control and i agree with you 100%. I think the no sex talk should be a Perm Rule, if people want to speak Sex talk on IRC then take it to PM. Don't let others read it, You don't know who maybe watching whether it little kids or their parents.

Most of the time IRC mainly revolved round one of the following:

- Sex Talk
- Power Abuse
- Spam

It's getting pointless and alot of people dislike it so come on guys and gals cut it out. Another things if the Negativity from other players towards others. For example, If someone wants to do something their own way, they don't expect someone to say "That way sucks, your stupid for doing it that way". People have their ways to train, it was Funny at first, and im sure alot of people have found that.. but when it's a constant repeat of the same thing over and over again it makes people feel uneasy and out of place in the clan.

~Ying

Don't come to me next time asking for help. I'll just let you guys flame the shit out of eachother for whatever I care. Specially the ones with Martyr sigs.
And few staff members agree with me.

just wondering, why were me and joe banned when we put [martyr] in our names joking around.

Zlat an answer would be nice tbh. Especially since we weren't doing anything wrong then and their was no breach of rules as you could still see our rsn.

OK, if people are posting some of the problems in the IRC I'm going to throw in my $.02

1) I know this has been covered but there is way too much sex talk in the chat. I am 15 years old and there are people younger then me, and trust me when I say I don't want to hear about your sex/masturbation adventures. It is disturbing, and above all else it is spamming the IRC with crap not everyone is comfortable talking about. It seems like every single time I'm in the IRC it is brought up in big conversations. Is it that hard to do that stuff in another channel?

2) Something really needs to be done with how you enforce the rules fairly. (Not going to name any names) but a few months ago I used a script in #wg where it said "yarly" when someone said "orly?." It seemed quite harmless and all in good fun, but a member decided to spam it causing myself to get kicked multiple times from the flood control before I could turn it off. I was warned by Buzz that if I ever used another script in the channel I would be permanently KBed. I found this a little harsh but I listened and haven't used another script. Then a few weeks later I was in the chat and a member had turned on a script that repeated everything I said. It was extremely irritating and annoying and it caused a large amount of spam. I was talking and it repeated me so what happened? I was given a verbal warning by a halfop to not mess around with scripts... I found this extremely unfair because I wasn't even using a script so I pmed a council on IRC. I explained the problem to the council member and and (s)he said (s)he would get it resolved. The council asked the perpetrator to turn off the script and the person refused. What action did the counci take? None, he/she simply said "I can't seal with this" and quit IRC.

I don't understand why the two things are so different? Is there just extreme blatant favoritism in the IRC or something?

Someone told me "Don't worry about it, they never do what they say they will." Which brings me to the point of is the lack of enforcing rules on the channel so bad that people joke about it like that?

Honestly the lack of enforcement is pretty bad Mr. Death.

Think about what happened when Abs set the no sex talk for 3 day rule. Everytime he left the room it was like "OMG SEX SEX SEX, LOL ABS IS GONE LETS TALK ABOUT SEX". Right now there is kind of a lack of respect going around and it is really concerning.

We need to respect each other in a way that doesn't result in flexing power, doesn't result in ignoring others, and instead just revolves around...talking about WG, RS, life? Seems easy to me but for some reason it doesn't happen.