His Lordship's Goodbye

Not much needs to be said.

As a leader I was abused by the clan which was what caused me to fall into retirement.
As a member I am doing as much work as I did as a leader, except now without the recognition.

But to tell you the truth, I'm getting abused more as a member than as a leader.
So really my retirement just made things worse.

I'm leaving WG for good. Ex-Member would be great please Abs/Council.

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It was mainly the Crucio topic.
I'll explain it in brief.
I can't dwell on it too much since I have a major assessment coming up.

Crucio. Great trainer, good dedication, doesn't complain.
However, his presence in WG has created drama... before I had anything to do with it.
So don't blame me.
I saw immediately that Crucio would be more trouble than he was worth.
I was in a minority... but I come from a background that is accustomed to seeing the bigger picture.
Suffer now, benefit later.
I wasn't to leave this to the leadership because I was the only one who could see this.
For this, I was criticised greatly.
Crucio may have turned out to be an outstanding member.
Before that age of maturity there would be a lot of drama as history dictates to me.
It's not worth waiting all that time and enduring all that drama.

That's all I want to say about Crucio.
I suspect if he returns, I hope I am the only one that leaves on his account.
Though I forsee some terrible things.

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Summary

This leaving is not out of haste.
The facts are as follows:
1. As a leader I was abused
2. As a member I was abused even more because I could not back up my wisdom with authority.

I leave because I would like some peace.
It's clear to me that I can't be a member of WG and just sit back.
I can't do it... as you will have noticed.
It goes far beyond Crucio too.
I'm doing too much work and for what... to get abused even on my goodbye topic.
That's all really. Wish me luck in the assessment.

EDIT: Oh yeah criticise me all you want for abusing a member into leaving. Congratulations on doing the same thing.
In your blindness you failed to realise you were doing to me what I did to Crucio.
The difference is that Crucio wants to stay.

EDIT2: I now have no authority to return to leadership, even if I wanted to.
You got what you wanted.

I leave in peace. No grudges or attempt to harm.

Goodluck to you

And for the 1000th time a post like this is made.. Well tbh lordy, he did strike me as a problem but i belive in fixing problems rather then killing them at the source.

Don't leave because people disagree with what you said.
You have done a lot for WG and you are respected more than anyone.

The main problem here is that you kicked Crucio out of the clan like a dictatorship whist a fair vote would of been more appropriate.

"It's clear to me that I can't be a member of WG and just sit back."
You didn't exactly "sit back"
For being a normal member, you can't just kick people otu you disagree with.
Infact, I disagree with many people, but I would never kick them out.

Do the right thing here.
Accept mistake, move on.

<3

I made a topic in confidence you wouldn't use it to fuck him over and do this. You lied to me, and I feel cheated and used.
and gl in assessments.

Bye.

Bye.

Lordy don't do this please. No one asked you to take control of things, no one asked you to do what you did with Crucio. Members are the base of the clan, we need you to do the small things like train, attend wars and give your input. Your input was give and not agreed with, and you're being dramatic if you're going to leave just because of that. You have lost no respect in my eyes I still believe you are ae nice person, I just disagree with your decision.


If you really do decide to leave I love what you have done with the clan you're a great guy. Good luck with your compositions and in real life, you're a really funny guy.

Problems come up to be fixed. I think we're Crucio's blessing and we are here to help him.


Cya Bud!
Brandon

I dunno, maybe it was the fact that you weren't a "normal" member. Having access to mod and ACP means your a leader, you said you wouldn't be using them. You lied, you broke my trust to your post and what you said. I fought back.

Good luck with your university stuff
~Buzz

This is a lot of blah that I will not comment on but good luck on your assignments..

dude dont leave, everyone RESPECTS you.

i cant see anyone abusing you, you are adored by all, even people not in the clan for raising a clan for about 7 years i think? and sticking through the tough times.

dont let some little child who doesnt understand he is annoying make you leave. you ahve gone through alot worse, and it would suck if you left over something this stupid.

and honestly, i cant see wg without you, you are like the white stuff in an oreo that holds it together

Lol The white stuff that holds oreos.
Maybe one day the decisions I made leading up to this will be appreciated but right now I feel like a scientist in an insane asylum.

Eugene, I know what you were thinking about how this affected WG in the long run but you can't only picture it you have to fill in Crucio's shoes and look at every perspective. The clan has a say in who comes and goes as well not only high leveled people such as big figures in the clan. No voice is small, but yet all voices are together to agree on a solution and keep the clan going not only from the leaders but for the members.

~Ali

I eat oreos with out the white stuff.. lol.. anyway, if he stays he stays, if not wg will last. Abs has done a fine job, and will continue to.

Eugene,

You've been great as a person and Leader. You will always be a leader to me. You've done alot for the clan and I'm sure we're all thankful for it. Please make sure this is that you want to do. Your a great person and I hope things goes well for you. I hope things will get sorted out soon. Don't want to see anyone leaving tbh. You play a big part in the clan and it wont be the same without you.Without you there wouldn't be Wg to begin with. Its your decision and I respect that. Good luck with your career. Hopefully this isn't the end. Goodbye Eugene ... only for now.

- Lacy

Goodbye my friend. Always respected you, even if I didn't always agree with you...but I usually did anyways..lol

Good luck with everything IRL. Keep composing and performing. I look forward to hearing your music later on in life.

wow man i really didnt see this coming.. good luck in real life, and hopefully, u will come back

Lordy i think you should have done the thing were u right the letter wait three days and if u still feel the same way u send it but if u dont u tear it up. i hope u decide to come back. but if u dont good luck irl

Well,
I'm glad you decided to do what you think is best.
If you were not respected as a Member nor a Leader,
Why stay around and be harrassed?

You're doing the right thing by ending the entire thing right now.
So, I wish you the best of luck in your life,
You were ment do do great things, leading WG being one of them,
I'm sure the others will come as time passes.

On a side note;
Everyone flaming on this topic ... It's against the rules of WG therefore a warn level should be in order.

Second of all, with out what Lordy has done these past many years, you wouldn't be have made the friendships and had the expeiriences you have had in WG. even if you don't agree with his decission. You should respect Lordy for all the things that he's brought us. All of us. It's a shame you don't see that.

Ahh the things that happen while I'm on vacation

Sadly I can't get on Msn/irc to talk to you eugene, but you leaving is possibly one of the biggest losses for WG of all time.

Talk to you in 2 weeks....

Good bye. Respect.

actually i don't have much to say, only that i have always respected you and stayed at your side no matter what happened so...i wish you all the best.

i hope i can still show you some german

Wow, this was an odd thing to come by on the forums.
Well, you know 'us' so I am not quite sure how you'll take this. But I wasn't here to see any of this. And unfortunately, I cannot comment with all the facts.

But when someones character and person is being... ridiculed, harassed or what not... People around should see and step up, so things like this don't happen. That's my third party look on the situation.

Me and you never got along. BUT, that doesn't mean that you weren't a person to get along easy with =P My personality clashes with many, so sorry for that.

Regardless, I think it is finally good to say 'It's over'. It's over. No more Drama, no more Ridicule (That isn't the case, because other unrespectable people like myself may just ridicule you saying you gave up on the clan, wheras perhaps some others may say the exact opposite...).

It has been a tough road for you, im sure. I really wish you all the best Lordy.
And I thank you. From the first time, to the 3rd time, for giving me a chance in this humble home you built.
The home that now stands on its own two feet.

You did something marvelous here. You created a community where kind hearted and caring souls could come to escape the immature clans of the clan world =P. And you created a place that, back in the day, stood for all that was right (Wilderness wise). I respected that, and im sure everyone here can respect that.
Im glad you have done what you've done. Im not glad for what I or others have done... But I am glad you did what you did.
I support you then, I support you now.

Best of luck, you sexy asian panda.
I still have that picture of you stoned out of your mind from that day on TS <3
And the recording
It helps me sleep at night <3

~Zeke
~Dragonfudd.

Let's make sure this topic stays drama free at least

Love you Gene, we'll have ample time to talk in Paris.

I think the reason you were 'abused even more as a member' (i didn't actually see this, but meh) was because you weren't actually a member. You had the full rights of a Leader, without the technical rights to be able to use the powers. Tbh, in my opinion, had you been simply 'Elite Guardian' you'd have had a much easier time, and like you said, would have been able to have 'sit back'.

There's no need to make it a 'He goes or I go' situation, as more often than not, they result in 'both goes' as we can see has already happened ^^.

In my opinion, during your 3 days to consider, i'd suggest thinking about it and possibly sticking around in the clan you made as an 'Elite Guardian' or even 'Emeritus'.

On that topic, why has Eugene not recieved his three day period?

~Mugger84

I took it off myself.
I am definitely out of here.

The whole mentality of WG has gone really wrong.
Any leadership action I took should have been welcome.
It was all for the greater good of WG, beyond what was required of me.
Instead I got the opposite.

When that happens, you know you've worn out your welcome.
There's no "it's me or him" attitude.
I know better.

good by Eugene good luck in the future. Its was nice to know you and be mates.

Good bye.

Well i am sorry to see you are leaving eugene this will be a big lose to WG because you have done alot for WG throught the years

i am sad to see you go

Good Luck with your assessment

~Flamey

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen the lack of respect astounds me.
We honestly don't know what we are losing here.

Other night in irc nate said..I am sick of hearing about the old days. Maybe these are new days, however, they are built on what was started by this man years ago.
You all need to honour that and remember it.

Take care Eugene, I see this is what you want to do.

I'll miss you Eugene. You're an awesome guy, with the music you write, and just your overall character. You've helped me in ways you don't even know, and I appreciate every single thing that I've been able to learn from you.

I guess there's no point in trying to talk you into staying, since I know you won't. So I'll just say that I respect you, and always will. Have a good life, and hopefully we'll still talk sometimes.

Ciao,
Vince.

I cannot believe how many of you have the disrespect to just post "Bye" in reply to this topic. Without Eugene, WG wouldn't even exist. So what if he left on "bad terms" in the eyes of many of you? You're all acting as if he owes you something. In reality, you all owe him for what he's done.

I feel sick that after what? 4? 5? years, his judgment on a member is opposed so strongly. WG has had well over 1,000 members in it's time and Eugene has met all of them on some level. I think his judgment on this should be trusted.

After all he's not the only one that feels this way about Crucio.

I'm seeing this as something from an animal kingdom TV show. Something along the lines of that spider, the black widow or something, who's children eat their mother after hatching.

bye gene =(, not much to say that hasnt already. you been here for so long and everyone here respects you even though arguments come up once in a while. Good luck with ur music career, i wanna hear more pieces!

You've all disgusted me at how pathetic you are.

Who's clan is this? Abs? NO Abs leads it, it rightfully belongs to "His Lordship" who worked for years on end in blood sweat and tears to keep this clan going? And you all moan about him banning a member who HE thinks should be banned. Doesn't matter if he has a reason or not, its up to him. So give me a rest of all this, oh he was innocent crap. Think to yourself would lordy actual ban somebody and jepridise a clan he worked so hard on? Your all pathetic little e-tards. No matter what position he is you still look up to him, if hes a member, and i take back my higher. I would not tell him hes lower than me and that he should kiss my shoes.

Tbh ban me, ild like my concious to say i was banned from a NH clan, of which it has RAPIDLY become/becoming.

Cheers.



Further note: im not getting at those who don't deserve it. Alot of you try to keep this clan an honor clan, but theres a bunch of you who ruin it.

I actually think that if you would have chosen the rank elite guardian or something like that you'd not been abused that much.
Anyway. I'm really sad to see you go.
I'll miss you.
I tried my best to get to the first rl meeting and now the second but I failed.

I hope with all of my heart that you, one day, will return and take back what is yours.

-Zeth

I don't know what to say. Some things you did were wrong, but it should not have led to this. You say you won't be returning, but we can hope can't we? You'll be missed here Lordy, I think you should've given yourself your 3 days. They are there for a reason. Can you imagine how many great people WG would've lost if they didn't as least get 3 days to consider? Everyone should get their 3 days, unless they've been banned of course.

Anyways I wish you the best of luck in real life. I get the feeling we will still be hearing from you soon, though.

Anyways, I cant help feeling that you werent truly a normal member. If you did not have Op, the whole crucio ordeal would not have escaladed the way it did. It would have only been crucio, and the leaders would have to deal with it.

Still, I really respected you and considered you a leader even after you became a normal member. I wish i could write more, but I've experienced so much RL drama the past 2 days my brains would melt.

Words cant express how thankful and grateful we are.

Thank you

Good luck with your mission, though you probably wont have to keep true to it now . Have fun composing!

I love ya Gene, I really do. You've been like a brother to me. One I've had to slap around a bit with a large trout but still.

Without your acceptance of my smartass application I would have never had experienced all I had. And to be truthful, I don't think I'd be doing too well without everything I learned here.

WG will be sad to see you go, but as long as we are Guardians...As long as we stay true to what we really are, you'll be in our hearts and in our minds, Eugene.

I'll miss you.

Keep in contact with me, I'm gonna need someone to edit my book when I'm done.



Your friend, always

James the Panda Sexer

Great thing to see...really is.

Honestly, Eugene, I respected you from day one. I'd like to say we all respect you but you and I know that I'd be lying.

In any case, given the treatment you've received and the duration of this treatment, you should just leave and not look back, as hard as it may be.

You made this place that we call home, and regardless of your rank, your powers or privileges, your opinion should have ALWAYS been respected and considered. You took care of us for so long, going far beyond what was expected of you for an online clan, and this is what you get? No. Don't take it and just walk away.

I'd love for you to stay, but I know that you must go and as much as it hurts to say this, I want you to leave simply because it's what you need.

Take care in whatever else you wish to pursue.

Wow this is really surprising. The lack of respect to the founder of WG, from the members of WG. No one has any right to disrespect Eugene, without him you would be nothing. Do you really honestly think you know more than Eugene lol? Have you led a clan since RSC? Have you seen every type of person a clan can have? Have you brought a clan back up from when they were at the lowest of lows? No. So what exactely gives you the right to flame the one and only person that should never be flamed. Do you think he has no reason to do this? Like he was just like...you know what I dont like him goodbye. Honestly, this is really very surprising and upsetting. Eugene should not have to explain himself when he does something and you should not ask questions. If he feels that you need to know, he will tell you.

Anyways, Eugene without you non of this would be possible. You have done many many great things for WG and to WG and there are hardly any clan leaders period that can say that about their clan. WG has survived for so long when no one, but the surviving members of WG, thought we could and it takes a great man to do that.

I honestly think you should not leave, I mean it is not right at all that people are flameing you or questioning you but come on, its not the first time something like this has happened. You've pulled through it before and you can do it again.

Anyways Lordy if you decide not to come back I wish you the best of luck in your life.

Bye, I never got to know you that well, but Goodluck with whatever you do.

I don't know what too say, I'm just saddened too see you leave like this. Your the reason why I joined. I admit I didn't get to know you like I should have and I'm sorry but timezones and stuff made that difficult, your a great and funny guy, It hurts me to see that you have to leave because of something stupid like that... but yeah.

Thank you for the great experience, good luck with your music, I really enjoyed it, and I hope you continue with all that.

Edit: I hope WG doesn't decide to continue with making everything so mature. You were the one that brought some activity to IRC and some good topics that were INTERESTING to talk about.

Cya later Gene.


~Jon

Jaxx.
WG becoming NH?
Wtf lol?

hi i have no part in this topic but i'd like to give a msg to his lordship ASAP
can you delete some of your messages in your mailbox lordship so i can tell you why i havent gotten in contact with you

oh and you can delete this post lol

I'm pretty shocked at some of the short, and somewhat rude reply's by some of the members. This man created this clan, lead it for many years and built up the reputation that WG now has today. He spent countless hours working towards the clan, so the least we can do, as of this moment, is AT LEAST wish him all the best.

Eugene, in my eyes, you have always been the authority figure and leader at WG. I am somewhat confused at who would treat you with such disrespect that would lead you to retirement and then unfortunately leaving the clan completely.

I truly wish you all the best, you played such a big role in this clan and NO ONE has put more effort into WG than you did. You will be missed and never forgotten.

Goodbye and goodluck Eugene. I wish you all the very best in life and wherever it may take you.

~Jordan

Well Gene my old mate, you know how i feel about you leaving, but incase you dont, ill lay it out perfectly simple so that everyone can understand.


1. you really should stay, We need you just as much as you need us....i know that for sure having left wg a few times, wg isnt just a clan in a game... its something completely different. yeah sure we run around hitting each other with pixels and chat with each other over immense distances.....but pixels and distances dont matter. What ties us together is the bond that the distances and pixels have helped make...i dont know about everyone else here, but i think your excellent.

2. Regardless of how much this member has effected you, isnt the point mentioned above worth fighting for?... Honestly... you love us... YOU CANNOT DENY IT!! (all of your oppionons on denying your undying love for us have now officially been rejected.)

3. Think about trial choobs like me...like people join this clan hearing of how Awesome\cool you are, hell the original time i joined was because i liked how you told of An Unforgivable sin.... that and that ALONE brought me to wg back just after rs2 had started...

4. neway let noobs be noobs and enjoy what youve created for once, i see all this hard work but...only as of recent have i seen some enjoyment...

"FOR LORDY" - Havochaha


neway, goodluck with assessments n stuff, i know ull knock them dead.

p.s - U pwn, but not as much as me. (because i have NOTHING LEFT)

Bah, hard to know what to say. I was going to try to structure it, but best thing to do is speak from the heart.

Whatever happens and whoever says what, you are the founder of this clan, and the rank is a great way to symbolise the years of very hard work that you've put in.

This recent week has been a test, and I can see that it mustn't feel good to be fighting what you think is the real thing, yet have people disagree with you. Its easy for people to see one dominant person over another, pitying the weaker one, then completely forgetting to show respect to the more dominant one, who has feelings just the same.

You can see from the posts that you are hugely respected, and I also respect you. Sure, I disagree with you on certain things, but people are born with unique peronalities so everyone's bound to disagree on somethings if they manage to raise them in the first place. WG isn't a Government, its a family. Whatever cafuffles we have in the past, should be brushed over once a compromise is reached, and everything returning to normal.

Its such a huge shame to see you with such strong feelings towards parting (although, of course, understand it to some extent). However, WG just wouldn't be the same without you. There's something about your presence that makes WG so colourful and vitalised, and its you being round that offers the clan its motivation. You can see from the replies that you are hugley respected, and with good reason.

In the end, its up to you. You've got your whole life ahead of you, and you're becoming ever more successful. Now the responsibility of leaing is over, you're free to chose your involvement with WG. I just ask you, if not restore your rank back to founder, to spend what time you can on the IRC/forums and don't let us forget you.

If not, i'm tracking down your contact details

I think you should keep your founder rank, I personally don't expect you to do much as you've done a lot for this clan in the past. Wish I was here during your leadership, good luck with assesments and life.

Some of us show respect in ways that might seem strange to you. I hold those I respect up to higher standards than others: If I do not criticize you when you do something wrong than I see you as a child or someone too ignorant or stupid to know any better; if I admonish you for something done wrong I atleast see you as mature or an adult; if I harshly criticize you it is because I respect you enough to hold you to certain ethical and moral standards.

I am not going to coddle you with kind words. That is what I would do for a child (someone like Crucio), not someone I respect.

I will say this though, it is a fine clan you have created, and I hope that is something you are proud of even it has been ungrateful and abusive towards you.

Well Lordy, we never really talked much, as I'm new here. But, when we did, I thought you were pretty cool . I agreed with you on the Crucio incident, and I'm sorry that some of the others couldn't see it the way that you or I did. Good luck with your studies, and keep up the awesome artistic talents, they'll take you far in life.

~Pb

I'm not well-versed in putting soft words over matters I feel strongly about. And so, I will just leave these words as they are.

It has been 2 days and I hope your assessment is going well. The first thing I felt when I saw this, was disappointment. It's not about criticism, but rather I wish you hadn't had to do this. Regardless of what happened it does not deny the fact that you have placed alot of time and sweat over the building of this clan. And the honor of founder is really a separate thing altogether. Even if you are not the founder, but you were one of them and the leader who had led things to what they are now. It does not need incidents to take away a founding right.

However, I can somehow understand the basis of why it is done so. A disappointment in return somewhat. But, I only hope you will come around that for the long term benefits.

It is hard to put off what you have been doing for years and sit back, not do anything about what you feel strongly about. It does take time and effort to sink in. But I guess, it is when we remind ourselves why in the first place we had decided being in the position we are, it makes it a little easier to carry on in a newfound ground. A different experience, to contribute things from another position, another handle altogether.

So, I would attribute your actions to almost a kinetic reaction, options that happen to be open to you, free to exercise without a second thought. Hardly something to blame about. And yet, also in hope that its understood, in respect to the passover, it is also to be bold in trust to allow the new wave to make new grounds, whether or not it turns out to be a mistake or that good judgements that will lead it to make greater new horizons. To have been there and offer the experience of wisdom and knowledge, to advice. Everything is a learning experience, so was the past and it will be so for the future.

I want you to know, if I hadn't respected your views I would not have reflected on them enough to decide finding out things for myself. To me, I felt it only fair to know things as much as possible firsthand, to see both sides especially over something as such. We are not dealing with a strategy or theory, but any individual with feelings, just like us.

Puny, weak or strong. Sympathise or empathise. Whichever way, it is for a quest to understand and not shortchange any individual putting ourselves in all shoes possible. Experiences creates alarm bells but only IMO if all possible grounds are touched, firsthand - from an amiacable position.

I had found myself finding it really difficult to agree. At least, it wasn't enough to judge until proven with a chance, if we trust and remain in the same principles, things will work itself out.

Maybe it is highly possible because I come from similar experiences then when I was a trial, treatments meted out by some others who were bestowed authority to act in freewill for no proper reason to be treated as dirt because of authority. And also to have witnessed others who went through the same unable to speak up or could. Although, each individuals prove themselves in their own ways. To have been an underdog and gratefully reflected on many things. If I have been wrong, I'd rather a rebuttal in return, to at least be able to understand more if it wasn't right.

I certainly can't say I agree with alot of things you do but it does not mean taking away that appreciation of all that you have done in goodwill and achievement, including all the other things I agree with you and had supported then. And if I had not trusted and treated you as an individual capable of understanding, I would not have gone through all those lengths, whether or not we agree.

I will not take back what I've said but I will gladly learn if I am eventually wrong.

In the end, whatever you decide just know that, you are not totally unappreciated. There's no such thing as 100% respect or even high ends. Because, as humans, we are flawed. And the fluctuations, views and bestowment comes from other fluctuations, views and bestowments. When we put those side by side, it becomes so much of a give and take - in the end, it is to appreciate the given and learn from what's not given.

I wish you well whatever the decision and the assessment before you.

Not going to say much because im inactive and what not.
But good lucky Eugene. Im usually there to stick by you but this time since i couldnt be on im sorry i wasnt.

Good bye Sir twas fun following behind you.

Sorry you were abused. I hope I never added to your aggravation. I tried sending you a personal message but your box is full. Good luck in life and I hope maybe now I will see you in rs as a relaxed skiller sometime. If you ever wanta just hang out pm me.

WG will always be a part of who you are, so dont think leaving the clan will change your love for it. In time you will have most found memories of rs and wg. Most things worth giving your love will hurt you deeply from time to time.

Hugs

A true great person, a legend of runescape.

sorry to see you go you made an amazing site btw

Wow, absolutely nothing ever changes here...

Just a comment, not trying to be an asshole. I'm still kind of pissed at you in general though. Anyway, sorry you're having a rough time. Hope the assessments went well.

Too polite...