Eugene's Situation

I have spoken to Eugene and we have come to an agreement that he has a complicated relationship with WG right now. He actually is paying for our server which keeps our teamspeak/forums/website running and he is highly invested in our success and yet he's quite bitter about other things

I talked him out of started a new clan, most importantly because I feel that would have harmed WG (he did not want to harm WG but I can't help but feel this would negatively impact on us), and more importantly, he would have required his server for his new clan, which is running our forums and such at the moment

He's made it clear that he can't be a member in this clan. It's his own fault for having too much pride and too much effort invested. I have given it some thought, and it's clear that His Lordship is best off in the founder rank. It takes away the complicated relationship he now has with WG.

If you support him returning to founder, it would be how it was last time with one modification. If he wakes out of inactivity to take a leadership action, it should be accepted as an action toward the improvement of the clan rather than a violation of a rank. He does the clan no harm in such abuses. In fact, most of what he does has been of great help to us so I think we can afford him the privelege of using Admin. In all cases he would not go against my Authority as a Primary Leader and if a big change were to be made (for example the unfortunate incident with Crucio) it would be discussed amongst the official leaders. If anything, founder rank would be simply an inactive leadership position. I see no harm in that considering the extent to which he can help us.

~Abs

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If he has any admin access I would suggest that it is not ROOT admin, I personally would like to see it changed so Robbie, Pri leader and council all have ROOT admin, then if Eugene gets Lvl 4/A-CP access he cannot "take back primary leader" which he is known to do when he isnt happy.

If he wants to start his own clan perhaps we can let him?

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~Abs

I agree with Evil that it is a good idea not to give him ROOT Admin.

If he started a new clan, it would be detrimental to WG and to what ever clan he started. It would build up into a 'friendly' rivalry which would soon turn less friendly as it grows. Also, many people would be torn between the two.

Also... His rs home is here, in WG. I don't think many of us can really leave WG. Look at all the Emeritus and Ex-Members that frequently post. WG binds us together more than just a clan. Friends are the family you choose.

<3 WG

He has done so much for this clan and I belive we should give him Founder rank, however I agree with Evil, the root admin should be primary leader, forum tech and council. Otherwise he could just do the same thing he did the 8th december aka d-day.

All aboard the forum train

I like most of the things Eugene has done for us, he has put a lot of effort into the clan. I like Evil's idea though.

The problem last time was that he HAD the power.
He didnt want to take an active role in leadership, but he could have if he wanted to, which he did in the crucio situation.

He said he wanted to "fade" away sorta, but thats impossible if you have power

I have mixed feelings, but I just wish he took the critisism he got from members better. It was just an arguement, but he kinda took it personally even though it wasnt meant to be that way. He took it as a direct attack rather then just another person voicing their opinion.

I have no problem with it but please do not let him make another one of his mass recruiting things. That really dampers us as a clan as it lowers our activity and gives us unnecessary dead weight.

I still feel as though it was not his decision to edit Crucio's topic.

Eugene has done so much for this clan. I dont just mean stuff that is around every-day like wg.com, but instead the time and effort he put into the clan in it's early years, and the blood and sweat he poured in in later years. He 100% deserves to be able to access the Admin CP with Founder access.

That having been said, obviously from the history of WG It seems lordy has a tendancy to seize power at inconvenient times, causing power struggles which teared the clan apart. In order to try to avoid this, two things must be done. First, Eugene must accept that he does not have 'Divine Right' over all. He is the Founder, not the Leader. Second, he should not have TOP access in the clan. By that i mean he should not have ROOT/Owner access anywhere. This enables there to be a clear chain of command, which is vital to a clan.

As far as i'm concerned, please yes, invite him to rejoin. It would make things so much better. I believe he's learned a lesson with the Crucio incident, and that all will improve from here on in.

~Mugger84

Lordy deserves much more than that, i agree with giving him his founder rank back.

I would like to know why he said that he was going to not play much anymore and not lead but he threatened to start up his own clan? Seems kind of odd. Why did he ever step down anyways?

I honestly liked him where he was. Whatever he did with his founder rank, even with the power abuse, was almost all good. He has his ways of doing things, and until now it has worked quite decently. I agree to let him get founder rank back.

George agrees with Evil ^
But by all means let him back.
He's a good guy, who has done so much for WG, it's not possible with words to describe how much WG owes him.
I'm guessing he wants Founder back then?

How can we not give him Founder? He deserves it anyway..

Level Three Completed.
Date: Sunday 6th July 2008

~Abs

I support the things Evil says.
I think bad things would happen if he was to start his own clan.
Let him back.

Eugene for primary.

it would be a shame to see his lordship leave WG completely. But we really should take a while to think about how he returns and with what power. We really don't need another crucio situation.

Having said that, i still would like to see him return. He has definitely proved himself to be one of WG's greatest assets.

I'd love to see Eugene return to Founder. Its his clan, and in all honesty we can't just keep him out of it unless he really, really deserved it.

Take him back because you want him here, not because he pays for the stuff.
His place is here, not with another clan. He is our founder, there is no other place for him to be.
If he pays for things he needs to have the control over them. If you all want control then take over the financial responsibility.

I miss Eugene, I think its horrible he felt pushed out of the place he created.

He should have a council ranked open for him at all times.
There are very few people who put in as much to a clan as eugene did to WG and he has earned the right to be a part of the leadership team whenever he chooses.

Give him founder and if he decides to be active, then let him have council. We are nothing without his work in the past and we can't really forget that.

He has left wg like 3 times in the last 6 months.......I don't believe in his intentions. If anything I see him only wanting to come back so in 3 months he can retake leadership. You saw him at wars in the cwpl taking over(example). Among other things, he doesn't want to not lead wg. He wants his responsibility taken away and have the chance to do whatever he pleases as "founder" and make it so if he comes back we asked him to do it.

Hes a great leader, and a great guy....but I'm against this. His past, the past has shown he can't handle power in a "Founder" rank. He will just do it again. And again, and Again.

Power for Lordy is like......*insert highly addictive drug here* and he needs to go on rehab and get it out of his system.
That's how I see it.

So let him be in council?
I don't see the harm in that.

Tmal Eugene is seen as the past. Abmanju is our leader now and we will be fine.
Eugene should be allowed a watered down version of a "Founder" rank. Limited amount of powers he can use and such. I just think he is too much of a threat to blow up an incident if he is given to much powers.

If he is not allowed to have powers then I believe we should take down the website and create new forums, create new recruitment videos, get a new TS server, and start the history over, because he is the creator of all of them. Well forums are robbie too, but meh.

We can't sit here and reap the benefits of his work and labor and then not allow him any influence on it.

That is why I feel like Council would be the most fair compromise IF HE WANTS IT. He would have others there to not necessarily override him, but serve as a balance, and of course Abs would be able to veto him.

If he wants to be founder then he certainly should get ACP though.
If we allow App Managers ACP (which is stupid, but thats another argument for another day) then surely the founder should get it.


And one thing I've learned from Eugene over 3 years.
He only blows up when he feels underappreciated.
It has nothing to do with the power he does or doesn't have. It's when WG starts to lash out at him that he "snaps".
There is a lesson to be learned from that because we shouldn't be lashing out at anyone. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone should get treated respectfully despite those mistakes.

Eugene needs to be a part of this clan, as this clan is obviously a part of him.

Founder is perfect for him.

He should not have Root I agree.
Only Abs should in my opinion. Council doesn't need it either.

Eugene is the core of WG, people may not realize it but he plays a huge contribution to the clan. He should be given back Founder in my opinion how many times does he leave WG on the short end?

~Ali

Both those who want Eugene to have power and who fear Eugene having power should come to the same conclusion: he is best with clan founder rank. \

If you want Eugene to have power, this gives him actual authority to act on his own.

If you do not want Eugene to have power, the safest way to keep him under control is to include him in the clan and give him some token authority. Trust me, he is much more dangerous to WG if you try to cut him off from power and treat him like an outcast.

Level Two Completed.
Date: July 9th 2008

~Abs

He is full of shit. Keeps 'leaving' and wants to come back straight away. He still thinks he's the bollocks and Abs isn't doing a good job at leading. The post he made in The Study Room for himself clearly stated that. He didn't want anyone to read it but then he posts it publicly on these forums instead of emailing it to himself or something.
Its true that he's been leading it for a while , but he needs to atleast keep his own word. Or maybe just shut up and stop saying things he knows he won't do.

I personally thought he deserved Founder rank and still deserves it. It's like punishing a man for breaking down the door to your house to rescue you from a fire. He's not supposed to do it, that's a job for firefighters but he did it with good intentions. In the US it's called the Good Samaritan clause or law or something.

Oh shut up and let him come back for fuck sakes.

Your all forgetting a few minor things


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Without Eugene, NONE OF YOU WOULD BE HERE

YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THE PEOPLE YOU NOW CALL FRIENDS

YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS PLACE, WHICH TO MOST IS LIKE A SECOND HOME

YOU WOULD BE IN SOME SUCKASS CLAN THAT ISN'T WG

AND YOU WOULDNT GET TO MAKE FUN OF HIM FOR HAVING DUCK SHEETS, LOTSA STUFFED ANIMALS, AND LOOKING LIKE A PANDA.


I hope you all enjoyed the caps, for I know I enjoyed typing in it.


Bottom line is, without him - Most of us wouldn't be who we are today.

So let him back in before I eat your pets

If WG is so dependant on him, stop being tight fisted and buy his server from hm? You all love WG and wouldn't like to see it go under. But you treat Eugene like shit and expect him to sit back and be happy to pay for your forums & Teamspeak. I think it's very sad that he isn't free to do his own thing because of WG will always be there brining him down.

I agree 100% with giving him the Founder rank that he deserves.

However, I do not want it to end up like it did last time. He took control over many things while he was 'Founder', like the cwpl wars for example, and he was still considered part of the leading role in WG.

It should be known whether he wants to lead the clan, or whether he wants to be a normal part of it.

Parth and Ying.
Drop it.

I believe he should have the Founder Rank as it was.
He'll only do what is best for WG.

Level One & Three Quarters Completed.
Date: 12th July 2008

~Abs

he has done so much for wg he should have the right to git founder i know he can be a bit of a power abuser i know thats one of the reasons i left befor but with all hes done for wg he has the right to hes bilt it from the ground up from back in runscape classic tbh he diserves the right

nvm that most the things he dose is in the effort to try to help the clan grow and not try to hold it back

I think we should let him back in at founder because of what ive heard hes done ALOT for this clan and if hes paying for things we need him.

hmm, well ive read every post and i agree with what ive seen, he has put alot into the clan and i think he should get Founder, but give him A-CP not ROOT, which has been said a few times already.

what else is there to lose honestly more drama we already have that just let him be founder again i see no harm other then another mess up which will cause him to leave and possible 1 or 2 members.

I've been here for ALMOST as long as him. I don't see a harm in it. I agree with you Abs, that he always helps the clan. Sure there are people that disagree with his ranking actions, but you can't keep every one happy. He's been running this clan for years, this clan has been his project for longer than a lot of our clan members have been playing runescape. And yet it is those who disagree with his actions when he is moved in rank from Founder to Leader.
I fully believe that he owns this clan 100%. He pays for the server, he's made this clans named engraved among one of the oldest and most loyal and proud of clans of all runescape, he's made a community where people are happy among each other. I don't see why that community can't give him a little bit of what he deserves back.

tbh he did more things as founder then council did actively.

and as jenny said take him back because you want him here.

More than i want gene back. You give him his position back, you put the weight back on his shoulders. He doesn't need that, if he wants to start a new clan. Let him.

He deserves more than to be back. Wg isnt Wg without him. I never saw as he left... I still see him as he's here and i personally don't want to see Wg without him. So i hope he does come back and I hope every will still accept him back.

to be honest, from all the effort and money he put forward to support the clan. he deserves the founder rank, as he is the cornerstone to the clan. from what Ive seen, he is a great guy, and i support giving him his founder status back.

ill let the technicalities to security stuff up to people who know more about the higher levels of the clan though, i do know know enough about that to have an opinion.

note: if he wants the position it is his decision. but he deserves recognition for his efforts.

I completely agree with gene getting founder again, as I said at the start. Its such a great thing to have him around.

Give the sex addict back his rank