Time for Stoke to go

Time for a real leaving topic from me I suppose. These past couple of months have seen both dizzying highs and crushing lows but at the end of it all, the overall memories from WG will be good ones.

I choose to leave for a number of reasons, some personal some public. Perhaps the main reason being the fact that WG has completely lost the spark it once had. 2005/6 really were WG's prime years. We were a force to be reckoned with and on the P2P scene, not even DI/RoT could stop us. If it weren't for the fact that we didn't mage bank Pk, we would have been ranked 1 P2P. I'm certain of it. Such a shame.

That was then and this is now. A lot has changed. I feel a lot of the love and that community tighter than a nun's pussy has all but been lost over time. Today no more than 10 of those guys are left in WG.

I see members get spoken down to, rather than across to by the leadership. Although equally i see members talk down to leaders like they are a piece of shit on their shoe. Either way there is little respect for the leadership for WG. This was exemplified when Eugene got shunned over the crucio incident after all he's done for this clan. One leader, who is now council, replied with "Bye". What an arrogant little shit. I know exactly how Eugene felt because what everyone here forgets is, for 4 months from dec 06 (D-day) to march 07, I led WG on my own. Eugene was inactive, the only other two council; Georgio and Xena were inactive and I pulled WG up from 3 person raids to 30 person raids over that period. I worked my fucking ass off right before the Draken Burst incident and similarly to what happened to Eugene, all my work prior to that event was overlooked majorly. I don't want a medal but some recognition and a little respect would have been nice.

I feel this clan has now become preoccupied with gaining members above training and perfecting the qualities of the members we already have. Lets take the CWPL for example. When it first started we pulled 50, then 60, then 70 people to our wars until one week; we got dominated due to our large turnout but lack of organization. As a result of that each successive week we pulled less and less people to the fights. I could name 10 WG and put them up against 20 other WG; and the 10 would win. Because theres a huge gap between the seasoned fighters and the newbs that are still learning. They need to learn if you ever want to get better. Organization > Numbers. WG has never been able to grasp that.

I've found from my time in WG people will tell you they're still your friend after things happen to ruin your once strong friendship, but they never actually show it and never talk to you again. It's like they tell you they're your friend to shut you up. I find some of the members of this clan so false I really just can't stand it anymore.

I guess I'm rambling. I won't post personal goodbyes because that would be mean, as I'd have some pretty harsh words to say to certain individuals. My friends know who they are. I'd like to make clear that my leaving was not influenced by any other member of WG. Well as a matter of fact, it's because collectively you've all managed to kill the community between yourselves. But I will give a few shoutouts to those of you guys that have really made my WG experience memorable - Eugene, Zach, Jaxx, Cam, Simon, Jenny, Rachel, Tom, Goobershmea, Groe, Lacy, Jason, Rob, Starz, Pyroclastic, Fairy, Glenn, Matt, Ryan, Tabs, Owen, Mango, Mike, Kenshln, Zenia and many many more. Those are just the names that popped into my head. I'll miss you all.

Where to now? I'm undecided. In real life I'd really like to either be in employment by September or be starting college course. Music/Psychology/Maths/That-sort-of-shit. Runescape? Who knows.

I really don't know what more to say. Funny thing is after I post this, I'll most probably think of a dozen things I should have added.

[email protected] is my MSN.
07846882364 is my number.
#nut is my IRC channel.
Stay in touch guys.

Take care and for your own sakes, don't let this wonderful clan die.

-Steve

gl steve i really have to agree and ill always be in ur chan like i always am

i never really got to know you, but i got a lot of respect for you..

and if its your time to go, i won't stop you.

Good luck with everything you'll ever do

im sad to see you go stoke. i know we had some dis agreements but i still saw us as good friends. take care of yourself. ill be sure to stop by and say hi as often as i can. your efforts and dedication to WG will be missed. gl steve

Steve, what you said is true. The community of WG has diminshed and a few members are left to hold the burden, alot of people see this. You and Maths being the main ones. You have been in WG alot longer than myself and we have had our fallings out, i'm not going to tell you to stay because in the end i want what is best for you in the long run.

You will always be a friend in my eyes and i will always stay in contact with you. I am always in your channel and i will always be there if you need someone to turn too.

Good luck in the future Steve.

Lots of Luv,

Simon x

Argh good bye Steve.....

Even though i've been here for ages on and off, never really made the effort to get to know you that well (or anyone else lately for that matter) even though you have also been around for a fair amount of time.

Just like to say you seemed like the kind of person who could have a fun time and that's what i liked about you, and many others who are like that, and wish you luck in life.

i'll try to see you around. I know what your saying the atomsphere and stuff.
I'm going to quit runescape i think anyway, don't have time for it.
Good luck finding a job or going to college and hope you find a nice girl that doesn't mess you around (don't think they exist very much though).
Was always fun pking with you from the very first rune kills.

Look after yourself.
If not you can always live with me

I honour your goodbye.
I read it very thouroughly and I am in full agreement.
You have pointed out some things that have just made me decide I don't want to come back.
We both know we'll be in touch with each other.
Steve, this was a bad day for WG, and I hope whatever you do makes you happy.

I'm not going to give you advice like a lot of other people because it is clear to me you have looked at this from every perspective with rational logic, and I applaud the thought you've given it.

My own personal feelings are a mixture of relief and sadness. In my heart you were a pillar of WG's identity and they will be losing a lot in this departure. Your leaving signals the close of the old shcool community - I don't say that lightly. There may be veterans in WG... but you were the one that upheld the values of the old WG, while everyone else changed around you. WG's community is now completely foreign to my tastes. That makes me very sad. On the other hand, I'm glad that you are free of it all. And I think this is a positive direction for you to take your life.

On an even more personal note, I really do want to meet up with you and share a beer (but not Smirnoff Vodka). You are one of the highlights of my WG and larger online experience.

This is how your story goes with me.
I didn't pay much attention to you until you killed me in a p2p fight.
Then you gave me back a few items and I remembered you well for a long time.
Soon you were a leader in WG and when D-Day happened, you were one of the few people that helped me and you almost single-handedly carried WG out of it, with the help of Georgio on the side.
When Mara came along we were already good friends. When she took you away I was devastated but thank God you came back. We got to know each other but then came the IRL Meeting. Well... you know what went down there from the moment I shook your hand to the moment the ambulance driver put your vomit-covered jacket in a plastic bag, that was the most incredible day of my 6 week holiday. And ever since then you've been a distinct character in my mind; one who fashioned my image of WG. And since that day you killed me to this day you've left my clan, you've always been faithful to the true WG traditions that everyone else has forgotten. You are so much more than a member. With you gone, WG has only one or two members left that are faithful to the old ways, and they know who they are.

Until we speak again, take good care.
WG, you have lost one of your greatest assets.
I beg you to hold on to what you have left.
Address the community standards.

hmm well i do understand what your saying as i have witnessed it in clans before, i do respect you for what you have done and even though weve hardly spoken i know ive enjoyed it when your around

Good Luck in the future Steve, maybe ill join your channel.

~Steve

Eugene your reply really made me smile, but also made me realize what a great friend I have in you. I'll never forget what happened in London... well, what i can remember of it lol I enjoyed reading your reply more than you might understand. I still remember saying "oh fuck i killed lordy" on TS. What i wouldn't give to have those days back again. These memories will never fade away. I promise all of you that much. And yes, we must meet again some day for a beer.

To the rest of you, thanks so much for the replies. They mean a lot.

Steve

I agree with everything you wrote there, just some very good points. And I agree, 05/06 were WG's prime, good ole days. Yep, things change, and that's the sad reality of life.

Man, best of luck to you. I know have such a rough life, but you'll get through. We had some good times at the Arena, and of course, the great times with WG. You will be missed.

Take it easy buddy!

~Jordan

C ya you in #nut steve

You'll always be part of the GMT late night unit

I don't really feel I have the right to reply. I was only in WG for a short period, and I don't know you very well. But when I was in WG I always felt you were on a pedestal. Not because you're mean or harsh in anyway, but because you always seemed to be the epitome of a WG member, someone that people should take example from. I now see why you were the epitome of a WG member, because you shaped WG to be that way. Yet another of the pillars supporting WG has departed. I wish you the best, you're a great guy.

I've known you for a while now Stoke, you have your good and bad points. But overall, you are an amaizing member of WG. I will miss you alot because WG realy has no tradition with you and Lordy gone. WG is coming away from old ways and no one cares.


I was never realy considerd a good friend by you but you were always a good friend to me.

Take care and good luck IRL Steve.


~Mickey

FUCK no not steve cmon man not you were losing so many good members already but you? You were an inspiration to me stoke no matter how pervy you got in chat or on forums i looked up to you. You were sort of like a big brother to me. Im really going to miss you stoke you were one of the coolest wg members here. I know wg's shit right now but they've pulled through worst and you and i both remember and know that. Whatever you do with your life stoke take care and btw im going to be visiting you next year with ali .

I really don't know what to say... I agree with everything you have said about the WG we know today.

You were an inspiration to this clan.

Bye Steve, you were a good guy. Good luck with everything.

I respect your decision Steve, hope we can stay in touch take care.

~Ali

It was nice to know you Steve. I agree with alot that you've said, and we'll try our best to improve things. You were always honest and I know alot of people appreciated it. I have alot of respect for you, and I hope things turn out well for you.

Gl IRL and Gl in Tbe if thats where you're going next

Today WG has lost one of its greatest

losing a good member here.. i didn't speak to you much but you seemed like a good guy. You'll be missed in WG for sure.
GL in whatever you do next steve.

~~pete~~

left speechless just know I love you very much.

I want to thank you for all the "licks" I have received over the years, this place is definately not a home to me without you all in it.
I never thought I would see the day when Stoke and Eugene both would be gone.
Its like I was in a dream, then I woke up and there is nothing familiar or comforting around me anymore.
I have always had a small piece of my heart for you Steve, and have longed to take you in and truly take care of you.
You bring out the mothering caring instinct in me like few others have done.
If you ever need me you know my TS addy or if I am on irc let me know.
You are a true sweet legend of a guy and I doubt I will be far behind you.
Take care sweetie.
Love
Jenny

OMG STEVE!! Today is not a good day.. not at all. Why .. Why now? You were the one that made me wanted to stay in WG. Now your gonna leave? I don't know what to say but I can't stop you. I completely agree with what you said. There's not doubt that everything you said isn't true. It is very true.. But Wg will never be the same without you. No one will ever be able to replace you. You've done so much for the clan and you've always been there for anyone who's ever needed help.
Your a great person Steve.. I hope you know that. You've been there for me when I first started Wg and despite what we went through you were still there for me. You never gave up . You pay attention to things rather than just seeing it there. You look into detail and you really pay attention. It hurts me knowing your leaving . Idk as I said to you before.. Yes the clan has changed but there are still most members here that I still want to be here with them.

As I told you before.. I made a post on this forum. I only said nice things to that person.. and that person replied with a rude comment not knowing me and judging me already. And then some of the members just told me i better beware of him, avoid him, he's a rebel, or just let it go.. I mean come on what member of the clan goes against another member and letting someone attack them. Clearly this states either they don't like you or either they don't give a damn about who you are. Makes me think twice does this clan really just let anyone come and be rude to our members. Instead of telling people who comes on this forum to respect our members.. they just let anyone come and be rude anyway they want.. It just makes that person thinks " Oh hell yeah i can do whatever i want and noone could stop me". Thats how they've made it seem already cause clearly instead of telling that person .." Hey if your gonna come around the forums please respect our members.. " They make it seem more of " haha you just got told" Idk what to say anymore..

I really am sad to see you go. You always have me added and always remember I'll always be here for you. Your just going through a hard time and not everyone is understanding you atm. You've been a good example in many ways. Not alot of people know how you are .. but on a one on one conversation you really do show you care and you have such a caring heart. Your very smart and you know what your doing, what your saying and you know how to deal with any situation. Please take care of yourself for me. Good luck to you in the future Steve. You mean alot to this clan and i hope everyone else sees that too.

As for Eugene's situation.. I agree with you too.. I just saw that alot of people came down on him. That was one of the reason i wanted to quit before. Eugene has done so much for this clan and in the end he gets shot down. If that could happen to Eugene.. It could easily happen to any of us. I just see it as the respect isn't there anymore.. What's happening to everyone? Idk.. But Eugene will always be a Leader in my eyes and he will always have my full respect. <33

Its not goodbye for us Steve. Its just a farewell until I talk to you next time. You still have me added on msn and I'll keep you added there. If there is anything you need or if you want to talk.. you know how to contact me. Please take care and hope all goes well for you. You'll be forever missed.

-Lacy

This blows. But there's no talking you out of it, and I see everything you're saying. You're an awesome guy and always fun to talk to, I'll miss you man.

Always remember, I had you first, you belong to me.

This is a sad day for WG.
Even though I've seen that you didn't like me that much even from the first day Steve, you've always been there and I have pretty much liked you anywayz hehe
I really do agree with the stuff Eugene said aswell.
I will remember and miss you.

You're a legend.

-Zeth

wth dt lacy's been nothing but nice to everyone. idk why u gotta try to destroy her good image with your pointless accusations that have no backbone what so ever because there is no evidence to back you up.

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Who the hell do you guys think you are? I'm suprised at many of you.
This is Stoke's leaving post, not a place to flame.

The flamming ends here. If you want to continue it, take it in a PM but its not going to happen here.

I have heard plenty of evidence but no one will dare come forward to post it.

Steve, I never really got to know you but from what I have seen you are funny, caring guy who was an immense piece of WG's image. This is a huge loss to WG, we need to start changing our ways..

Dang, WG without stoke is like... geez.

Won't be the same dude, good luck to ya.

I would have put the smack down on some folks..

Steve.


You were one of the people I really didn't get to know too well, though I do regret it. I know your a good guy; a pervert - But still a good guy. So many people call us oldies Legends, even me. o.O But you are one of few who truly deserve the title of WG Legend (AKA: Mr. Sex Talk )

I wish you well on all you do, and I hope one day you will still drop by to say hello.

Take care of yourself, my friend.

Steve,
I wish you good luck in whatever you do. You have always been a great person to talk to. I love how we can both joke together and talk together on serious issues. I've always been impressed at your "golden days" when you were an insane staker and pker. I wish I could've seen more of it. Anyways I don't want to ramble on and bore us both. I'll check by in #nut for sure mate. Keep the music going.
Adios,
-Glenn

gl with every thing and i do have to agree we were in the prim back then taking on rot and di in p2p multi we did do a few mb trips and got owned well times change every thing no matter where you look

any way gl in whut ever you may choose to do

Take care stoke

Not going to be in college tommorow , but we could meet up after my lessons at 5 or like Friday Night

2 days after i leave WG falls apart...

Unfortunately I was unable to get to know you personally and regret it after reading that. Seems like you've done a hella a lot for WG over your time here. Good luck with real life, finding and job and school and whatever else you have going for you.

i tried my best to get you to stay so im happy with that... gl to you ill always be here for you immolatus2

Well Stoke we dditn talk much but when we did i thot u were pretty cool and funny, good luck irl and in rs hope all works out for u

Damn

I'll remember you as the guy who got me my firecape at like 3 am for 5m (</3) and had a test the next morning XD

Steve, you were one of the coolest members this clan had to offer. I for one will miss you a hell of a lot.

WG, you are losing a great asset this day. Congrats.

Nothing much to say,
I understand and respect your reasons for leaving.

Best of luck in real life mate,
I'm sure you'll do great things.

Have fun in Tbe Steve.

Stoke you were great for WG. Did a ton. Fun personality to have around the forums too.

I'm really not saying enough but thanks for it all. You deserve all the credit and then some. Hope you had enough good times on the ride.

Cheers.

Ex-Member Status granted.

~Abs