Times are changing...so what?

First off, I will say that I did not know where to post this, so I figured I would post it here for safety purposes. :$ (I don't want to die, tbh.)

Alright, so, it's come to my attention from the constant posts from the Old Schoolers in the public forums that WG is "changing" and it's not the "same as it used to be." But, I for one, have to say: Who the hell gives a shit?

The things you know and love won't always be the same, and the people you once knew can become somebody you've never met before in your life, so why should an online clan that might have a long legacy of activity be different?

Everything and Everyone changes and some point, and WG is no different. I've noticed changes from the warring, and community, etc, but WG is still my home, and I won't leave that. I still have friends here that I love talking to, and refuse to leave that behind, regardless of how much WG changes.

So, I'll say again:

Who gives a shit if WG is changing? Things always get better in the end.

~Vince.


P.S. - I just needed to get that off my chest, sorry. xD

very good point but some people find it hard to get used to things changing so i think if we give people time there won't be any "old wg" references and this will be wg how it is and how it will stay

I agree with this, and this post directed at Dhboy123 says it all

WG was built up on it's community, it's understandable if people are upset that it has changed. It's used to be kind and loving, now it's 'who gives a fuck'. It's mostly war orrientated, the skill's are rarely seen. So for this people are becoming increasingly alarmed. Topics getting locked without warning? Founder getting demoted because of an incident, Rick getting banned and his topic locked? As you said, things change, people change. So why has WG gone down hill? When WG should be in with the times. Is it so difficult for WG to go with the flow? because it seems to me as if that people are forcing it NOT to change.

I want to see the community back to normal just like anyone else, this used to be a kind and loving clan. Now it's turned into something else, like Wayne said.. A Bunch of Nazi's.

So where does that leave us Old Schoolers? I guess I am no longer welcome here. I have offered all I have for WG, now I guess there is nothing left.
I increasing feel I don't fit in any longer and that I am no longer welcome here in what used to be my home.
I will be thinking about what my future here holds for me, if anything.

I have zoomed in on lordy simon because I have seen you running around forums claming that he was demoted, ie. By council, and hence been putting myself, DZ and Dale as the people responsible for it.

Do you realise how annoying it is to have someone blaming you for causing a clan founder to resign? espescially when you are claming it in area's where people are unable to find out the truth, ie. public ones, so these 'old school' cant find that the truth is he resigned.

Now that I think you have understood that:

Rick- The decision to ban rick was possibly a little hasty, so I have been talking to him a fair bit over the last couple of days and after a short discussion have returned his ex-member.

War Focus= As you know WG is once again returning to it's roots of more mini's and less official war's. This means that we will if anything have 'more' wars, but as we all know there is much less focus on the result of a mini than on official War.

We have decided to pull out of CWPL as we all saw the negative effect it had upon our community.

Community/skills events- Just looking at the events forum now we can see how untrue this is, with all but one event being a community (such as the Arma/DK trips) or skills (f2p fly fishing, Trawler) and the only topics war related in there are also more community orientated (bronze war and RSC v RSB war).

It is the same story in event re-cap's where the only war event this week is an imprompyu P2p CWA held by me and anat while I had a GS to play with, so it was more for fun than a 'war'.

Before that the last war is our CWPL one vs MOD.

~Sorry have to go now, will respond more later

Never once did i blame you Evil, your doing a great job. I stick by what i said though. WG need's it's community back.

I'm all for change, but why do we HAVE to change? I go pretty far back in WG, so I know what some of the good times the other Old Schoolers are talking about.

WG has changed, in some ways better, in some ways worse, but WG has changed. You're saying why resist change? I'm saying why blindly accept it?

I'm all for change, but where's the harm in trying to preserve something that once was?

I'm not saying to blindly accept it, but you can't avoid change. It's inevitable. So why are we trying to refuse it?

Old members are always ALWAYS welcome here.
The ones that sit around clamoring for WG to be the WG of old are the ones who wear out their welcome.

Things change as Pb pointed out.
If an old member comes here and is willing to recognize that WG is not what it used to be and that's ok, then they will fit in just fine.

The ones in guest talk don't do that.

I tihnk mostly everyone wants WG the way it used to be.
The ones in geust talk are the ones that are openly saying it because they have no type of punishment for talking as such.

Let them say what they want to. I love to here it actually. I love what WG was back then. And tohught it's different, I still love it now (Thought I must admit, not as much).

Just by them saying they want it to be like back then doesn't mean everythings going to change all of a sudden. They're just words.

Nobody is saying that change isn't inevitable and for the most part, many of the Old Schoolers, me included are FOR change. The difference is you're thinking of something totally new that hasn't been tested before, while we have the ability to recall old methods that worked well. We're able to look back and remember what WG was, and say "Man, this place isn't different." That doesn't always mean "Damn, this place sucks ass!" or "Fuck, we HAVE to make this the same as it used to be!" it just means the clan changed and it's not what we remember.

I mean, what's so bad about holding on to what made this clan great? Why must everything change, why can't we fight some things? I mean you could bring this into every little thing about the clan. Why be sad when someone that is your good friend leaves? Why bother trying to keep them here? It's harsh but the principle is the same.

I could come back and ask why you want to abandon the past? Why do you want everything to change so the older members can't say "Yeah, looks like WG is doing great."

Again, I am FOR change, but some things should be kept intact because they made WG what it is.

Coming from the oldest member of WG still in the clan (well retired).
Personally the people in guest forums who were once good friends of mine, but the problem is they keep going over the good times saying how good "Old WG was", but here's the twist.

5 years ago, Was well, the oldest WG.
4 years ago, was old WG with a growing member base.
3 years ago, was semi-old WG, and you know what was said 3 years ago? "Blah blah i missed old WG"
2 years ago, a newer generation of WG, and you know what was said "Blah blah i missed the old WG from a year ago" Yet, the year that they say they dearly missed, was also the year that they complained as well.

It is a never ending cycle which i personally have got over, and wish to just continue with the rapidly changing and evolving WG that is today. The people who now come into guest forums and cry about how much better old WG was, there is always going to be people like this, different generations will complain how WG is never like it was once, which was the WG in their generation.

Sure it could have been better in the past, but honestly, get over it, it's like saying "Wow i missed the grade 8 days" then you're in grade 12 you'll say "Wow i missed the grade 10 days" then you hit the real world and you'll say "Wow i miss school and mates".

What annoys me people who come prancing around in guest forums who act like being labled old-school, is a privilege to act like a complete dickhead, then you get people inside the clan circle jerking saying "Oh but his way old school lolololol it's ok /suckingoldschoolmembersnipple". Old school members have a right to be here, but they shouldn't have the right to tear the image of the modern WG.

Live with the changes, don't prevent it.

Very well said Reece

VERY well said Reece.

Moved to lvl 1

Everybody's seeing the point of this topic completely wrong. >_>

I wasn't trying to start a topic saying "YAYAYAY, LET'S CHANGE, LET'S DO IT, WOOOOOOO."

I wasn't even trying to start a discussion.

It was more of an attempt at a confidence boost, saying "Who cares what WG is 'changing' to as people say? Who cares about them for leaving on such a sour note? Let's just keep going with what we're doing."

I'm not trying to start change, tbh. Neither am I against it, but we all know WG is changing, it's happening, and we can't do anything about it. I'm saying embrace it. :9


But Reece, that was very well said, and you're definitely right. I wasn't here for that of course, but it's what people do. =\

Nothing stays the same and everything comes to an end. Change is good.

Meh people have their right of say. These old schoolers may say WG isnt the best anymore and some say it is. The bottom line is WG is staying though.

Old schoolers say it isnt the best because all their old buddies are gone.

You know what?


I hate you all.






































Nah. Okay, I may not like some of you but still. I'm one of the oldest Members left that still troll these Forums as Emertius, or Member. There are a handful of others, Jenny, for example.

I have my opinions on the idiotic bullshit that happens in this Clan every day, but normally I keep my mouth shut - Wanna know why?

I had my time. My voice was heard and listened to once upon a time. But that's no longer the case. We are old school. We are the originals. That doesn't mean we can tell the Leaders and Members of WG what to do now. We're not in charge anymore. We don't make up the Community anymore, that's up to all of them.

If you truly don't like it, if you really just can't stand it - Then maybe this isn't the place for you anymore.

You have to know when to break the straw, and for us Old Timers, it's time for the Young Timers to take over.


So let's go get some Pie!

WooHoo!

Tmart's buying!

True. This'll be my third FULL year in WG and the beginning of my 4th in August, mostly on Sadcon1 but still I'm the same guy, dedicated to this clan to the bitter end. I'll stay no matter what, even if I end up hating what WG has become I'll always stay because it has always been my home. I doubt that'll ever happen though because WG attracts good people, newer members are great and the same with Old School I love them both. I can war I can skill I'll adapt. Sure I might not like what's going on all the time and I'll speak my mind but I won't constantly bitch about the tiniest changes.

But that's just me.





Brandon

I really agree with what you say Vince.

Definitely, change is inevitable.

We just have to accept that with change comes the permanent loss of some people. To a new generation, that doesn't really matter. To the ones in the middle, it can be a problem.

Its good to be optimistic though.


P.S. However, not all the change is good. There have been some basic degredations from old times that cannot be viewed in a positive light of change. If the ones on the table in the new times believe that these degredations are change for the good, then we'll see quite a lot more people leaving until you're left with fairly inactive people, the fairly new dedicated ones, and those who are disinterested in the old values.

Our community is not diminishing, like Lordy and other guests/old schoolers are saying. They do not have access to all the forums we do, I bet if it wasn't for these people saying we have a bad community, we would all be fine and dandy and WG would just continue through the generations.

I think we are doing fine. The older generation just have to let go like we will all have to at some point.

I totally agree with what Reece has said.

You see people moaning about how good and fun WG was last year, the same year where they were moaning about how good it was the year before, etc. It's a never ending cycle.

Everyone should just adapt with the changes and, simply, live the moment.

I can adapt, its just I don't know if I want to try anymore.

I'm an old timer and I've never been afraid of the change of this clan. Whatever man, this is an RS clan, and just like RS having new Highdetail and new add-ons to it, so is WG changing. Change is usually and almost always for the better. This clan has changed, is changing, and will continue changing. It's a community and more importantly, a family. Families change, and so does WG.
That's my two cents.

What a blind post.

I don't expect WG to ever stay exactly the same, but the people who are passive to this issue or god forbid happy with the clan at the moment are people who have never tasted WG in it's former days. People who have never felt the true pride of being a member of the clan, people who have never felt the glory and camaraderie that once existed in each in every member. People who have not the slightest idea of what their saying.

A good fraction of the people who have joined after WG went "mainstream" just joined for the power and for victory and instant gratification. It was the aforementioned aspects of the clan that made us different than any other major clan back in the day- be it Fear, Anarchy, Dead on Arrival, etcetera. But now it just seems like with every passing day, this clan just continues to become just like everyone else- stripping the clan of it's identity and transforming into just another generic product, a shell of it's former self.

Adapt or die, you can't rest on the laurels of days gone by. Remember the past but look forward to the future.

/goes back to being on vacation

Heres how i see it guys.
This goes back my fundamentals of a clan.
A clans for having fun, raping some people in wars, and taking our fair share of losses. We all gotta be united, and make other clans jealous about how well all of us fuckin have fun and we don't care whether its lame or not. Between mini-games, skilling and the gratitude shared between WG Members, Wars, and now were starting p2p wars,
were all here to enjoy each other, play runescape, and have some fun doin shit together.
So in a nutshell, go with the flow, and don't worry about status, politics and that stuff, if everyone is active, empathetic, supportive, and positive, we can really enjoy our selves.

Take it easy guys. =D