El Forum

Your valiant stand has been noted.
However you may simply choose to ignore this, you aren't losing the mask.

Wars don't mean anything now, or at least they shouldn't. You might as well go to castle wars and dress up in your expensives to fight. Cause either way you don't lose your stuff anymore. WG always was more of a community based clan, we had periods of no war allowed, even no raiding for a while, we always tried to have a healthy community first. I believe thats what this generation of Guardians needs is a good dose of excellent community, not more war.

Sure it "draws in the crowds" but does it draw in your good quality members? No it draws in people wanting to use WG as a stepping stone to reach the DI's and DS's (shoot I don't even know if those clans exist anymore they were just good from when I played so sorry if thats an off reference).

You're not alone in that area panther-cat

Well I have a right being retired for a few years and still not being as active as i used to now. By the way why haven't I talked to you since I came back, my goodness you got 99 smithing!! You've been busy I guess

If only 10 people are willing to do a community event then WG has truly strayed off course. This is (or was) a community based clan. If there are 10 good solid members that care about the clan more than getting loot and a rush from a war, then let those 10 members be WG, because if all you want to do is war, this isn't your clan.

By the way I said that people use this clan as a stepping stone if all they do is war. If they really care about the community, they won't go to another clan because this clan used to be the best community in the world of clans. I couldn't ever go to another clan, WG's community was so great it spoiled me.

My response to this is exactly Palidore's second paragraph. Our community makes (made) us different. If people truly do not care about community, then this really isn't their clan, I mean something is wrong with the community when Lordy leaves, Rick Hamm is banned on sight and Docster has a rant. That is what has happened, nobody cares about the community and that needs to happen before any sort of war can take place. It's like a team I played against in high school, all fine great athletes but haven't won in 4 years cause they aren't good teammates. Sure WG can have the level 120+ guys, but will they be any good without quality clan-building community events. You must build a clan like you build a team, the chemistry must be there or you will be a band of selfish people rather than a band of brothers/sisters. WG has always strived to be close knit from member to member, having every member be close to eachother. If what you say means it is not this way anymore, then its been a bigger fall than I imagined. A team (clan) is only as strong as its weakest link. If the weakest link is community, than the clan becomes a barbaric war mongering group that is the exact opposite of what a Wilderness Guardian is meant to be. Killing is not a Guardian's talent but it is his heart and willingness to help others and make close friends. That is what a Wilderness Guardians experience is, not to go to war and have no community base.

People annoy people, he's the founder of the clan none of this would be here without people like him and Rick Hamm. If he seriously flamed someone, there was a reason, and likely a good one.

Being only a casual forum-goer these days, I never really did get to make my post regarding His Lordship, so I guess I'll do that now.

After leading WG for 5 years, anyone would loose their cool sooner or later. This isn't real life and this isn't professional business. Lordy didn't have expertise in leading, didn't have all the life experience in the world and didn't have a handful of advisers at his disposal. He was an average guy like you or me when he founded WG, and despite his human mistakes still managed lead and manage the clan better than anyone. He was only a high schooler when he started WG up and even now as his leading days come to pass is just getting through his first years in college. How many people can say they've lead hundreds upon hundreds of people for so many years while still keeping a relative hold over his own sanity and still maintaining a social and educational lifestyle all before they even got their first real job or graduated from school?

Eugene's made his mistakes, and I've been around to see and grief him about them too; but regardless, for any one error he's made, he's done a hundred things good. You have no idea what he's given to the clan and sacrificed to for its members. Only a handful of people in WG I feel truly do. If it were anyone else, they would have given up the duties of leadership long before- and believe me, Eugene wanted to, and he almost did on numerous occasions, but he loved and wanted to help his clan even more and therefore hung around and continued to lead on.

I've had plenty of fights, arguments and disagreements with Eugene. I have witnessed his brilliant and funny sides as well as his misjudgments and imperfections. After all these years though, one thing has always remained true, and that's my unconditional respect for the man. For those who have lost it, continue to discredit and ostracize him if you must, but know that amongst the people who truly knew Eugene, you're in the sad and ignorant minority.

WG matured me at 12, made me immature again by 14, and now I'm 16 and somewhere down the middle .

Gotta love what WG does to the mind and body. Well, the mind, anyhow.

What did Lordy do to your body that "matured" you?

I think I have a pm full of them somewhere.... I will need to check.

And lol ^^

Georgio tried to make a funny! But I didn't say Lordy, just the clan environment in general.