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Two Weeks Notice

By DZ on 21/07/2008
Been considering this for a long time, way too long for that matter and I think the time has finally come.

Before I go on I have one request, that this stays between us, the council and primary leader only. If any of you fucking leak this I will honestly kill you, leave (not go to a regular member) and turn into one of those good members who suddenly go "anti-WG".

I am giving you my two weeks notice of resignation. Why? For a variety of reasons:


1. I have lost interest in RS. The game just isn't appealing to me anymore, honestly wars aren't even the same. I find no more fun or enjoyment in anything they have, whether it be skilling, PvP, or doing things such as Godwars. I do not feel that I am RS active enough to hold this position, as it as a requirement to the job is it not?

2. Varies leadership issues in the clan right now. I am disappointed at how Abs has ignored his council on a few occasions which have lead to some pretty bad tension. Also, to me it seems that none of us really realize the shape of WG right now. We are honestly in a pretty bad down-low, and I don't see some of us doing as much as they should be.
Rob, have you done anything since you've been promoted? Were Dale, Evil and myself correct when we so strongly disapproved you getting council? There was major controversy regarding you getting council, we thought you wouldn't do much when promoted. So far it looks like we were right, I think you need to prove yourself a bit more.
Dale, where have you been these past weeks? Yes you play RS more than some of us combined, but have you really done any council work? Like yeah you've just done Skill Badges and the forum header, anything else in the past couple of weeks?
Abs, why have you been sitting at Godwars all day every day for the past weeks? The clan members need their leader to talk to, not to have him sitting at God-Wars all day too busy to talk.

Now I know I have honestly done dick all in the past 2 weeks or so too, but at least I'm posting my resignation. If I know I'm not going to do the work, I'm not going to hold the rank thats supposed to do the work. I apologies if I sound hypocritical or anything, but I think someone had to say something about it. Maybe I'm the only one who feels like way, or maybe I'm the only one with the balls to say it. Who knows.


3. My feelings towards WG are gone. No longer do I... like this clan anymore. I just don't get that feeling of... whatever it was for so many people before, it's gone. I realize that clans change and that things will never stay constant like so many old-schoolers have failed to grasp, but I think it is time that I hang up my WG shoes. I don't think I can go through yet another down low, it's and endless cycle that I'm sick of.

Months ago when I was put into council as Snowzak was gone, I single-handedly restored the fighting sector. We had no raid leaders due to my promotion, and we were getting 12 people if that to a day or two prep miniwar. I don't think I can go through another restoration period. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that it's me and only me who will do anything because thats totally wrong, but I guess it's that cycle thing again, don't want to have to go through another one.

That is really all I can think of right now, it's late and I'm tired. I will add more tomorrow after work. I do however want to say that, if I am allowed to, if I do so happen to reconsider my resignation during my two weeks time that I am allowed to forget all of this and retain my rank.

Remember, please keep this between us only. I will still stay in WG as a regular member for a while... I will tell members myself when and if that time comes.

If things improve perhaps it will spark me to stay.

By Abmanju on 21/07/2008
Darkzero101.
It's such a shame to lose such a great Council member, you did really restore the fighting sector by yourself, which is such a wonderful achievement and a brilliant chapter of the Wg book.

I'll just start off be defending myself to your statement. What I do in Runescape is my free time. I do Godwarr a lot but 4 days ago, I have stopped, and even though I godwarred, I have NEVER ignored a single pm I have received on the IRC. I am always there on the IRC and on forums, I read every single pm and reply if needed or take action and then reply. Even though I godwarred, I redid the Application system, Introduction & Graduation and as even you experienced, I held many meetings, you of which joined and said "I don't care" for our future Trial Guardians which are going to shape Wg but no matter, you were like everyone else, so I just decided how many days each Trial Guardian got by myself, and pm'd each of them by myself. Also, I do not ignore Council, if you see me as such a "Dictator", you would think I would stop bothering to post here.

I know you're just outlining each one of the Council's weakeness, DZ, but some people take a while to do things. I know I took a while for me to do some Council action when I got accepted, I'm sure Rob will come around eventually, instead of outlining his mistakes in a horrible way, I suggest you talk to him, just like how I have in the past day, you're our warlord, you should be teaching our future warlords. Dale is just a bit confused what to do right now, he would love to do Council work, as with every Council, when they don't do much to contribute to Council, they will feel left out, and will always come around and contribute because they would not want to be the Council that does the least work.

But anyway, all that aside DZ, you have been a Council for a very long time, even though it is hard to see what you do as Council, you contribute a whole lot to our warring part of the clan. I believe that you have lost your RS Interest and your resignation is justified. Although I'd prefer even if a Council member hasn't done anything for the past 2 weeks to stay and do something to make our clan better, that is what true Council is about, fixing your mistakes and redemption.

~Abs

By Robertw56 on 21/07/2008
Ahhh Dz......I've always looked up to you since the day I joined, you've always been at the heart of the warring part of this clan. You taught me pretty much everything I know about leading, I thank you for that smile.gif.

On to another subject about "Rob, have you done anything since you've been promoted?", tbh your right, i've done jack shit. Lately I've been a bit down about life, I shouldn't let that effect my work, I will make a big change.

Thanks for the memories Dz,

~Rob


By DZ on 22/07/2008
Then Abs I apologies for unjustly accusing you of things. That's just the way I saw it I guess. I'm not going to deny that I didn't say I don't care, but at least I had the balls to tell you. You think anyone else at that meeting cared? The one post I used the word "dictator" in regarding you, it was how I said I DON'T think you are one, just that I feel you ignore us on certain occasions. Once again, just how I feel. May not be true.

Interesting justification of Rob and Dales actions, but an answer from them (like Rob has given) would suffice much better. The bit about me teaching Rob, (taking this from Thomas) are we not all warlords? Are we not all 'skills council'? Don't see how the blame is on me there. Like I said before the recent elections, the only thing I do as "WARLORD" is accept RAW wars. My work as "COUNCIL" is essentially the same as everyone else's. I think Rob knows exactly how to accept a RAW war wink.gif

It took me a couple of times to understand what you meant when you tried to justify Dale, but now I understand. Probably just because I read it late last night is why I didn't understand. You say he's confused, what exactly do you mean by that? He doesn't know how to type? Dale is smart, heck he even knew how to update the forum header when I didn't. An answer from him would be much nicer instead of your answer.


Rob, that is really nice to know and makes me feel good. I'm happy that I have left somewhat of a "legacy" in someone. It feels nice knowing someone who looked up to you progressed so well and made it as far as they did. I really appreciate the fact that you admitted that you haven't done much, cause if you didn't I was going to get very mad at you :$.


And please don't think that I'm bashing or hating on any of you.

Abs, I have all the respect for you in the world, I think you are a really nice and great person, I just don't think you are cut out to be Primary Leader of WG. I'm not by any means doubting your abilities or anything like that, I just don't think it's the right place for you. You were much better as a council member.

Dale, I honestly considered you as one of my best WG buddies when we'd always have those IRC and TS chats, messing around and joking with each other. Don't think that I'm saying you are useless. Take this as a way of motivation to step up your game and become even better than you've ever been before.

Never really bashed Rob at all but heck I'll say how I feel about everyone hash.png

Rob, it was great getting to know you and watch you progress. We have really similar personalities (well I think so anyway, we both <3 warring) and I think that is why we were able to get along the way we did. I will admit there were times when I would be upset with you, for reasons I don't know right now. Go out there and prove that you deserve to be here in council.

Evil, I'll admit I never really knew you too well before you were council, but I really enjoyed having those conversations with you discussing current events and how things in WG were doing. I have always agreed with your ideas, most are brilliant. Seeing you get council really showed me how much you are capable of. I await to see how the future goes for you.

Thomas, ever since you rejoined it's re-sparked our friendship that we once had before. I've always respected you as a person and as a council member. Ever single time you've ran, you've had my vote. I know what you are capable of and that you have a good heart and want the best for WG. It's a shame that things had to turn out the way they did with this re-election. I hope everything works out well for you.

I suppose this was my "good-bye" to council+, nearly brought tears to my eyes :'->

By Dalejamesw on 22/07/2008
DZ,

As you probably know i'm not that great at writing long things but when Abs's say im confused, He's right and this is how i feel at most times;
Sometimes I don't know what to do as Council, i can sit here looking for things to do as Council do the obvious things like accepts Graduations etc. but i never can actually find things to do so (as much as i want too i cant).
Due to this I stick to the things I think I do best; Alliances, Recruitment, Forum Top Etc, Teamspeak and basically just playing Runescape and attending events.

Your right I pretty much do NOTHING noticable and hopefully I will over time crawl out of the rock.

Now down to the Personal tear jerker stuff,

DZ you were always someone I'd look up despite me being a Event Leader/Skills Based I still had a huge Love for warring somewhat maybe more than Skills at times, the way you lead is amazing and I learned alot for maybe when I have to take a fall in (God bless our souls hashdown.gif.png) Lol.

We never used to speak but i'm really glad we did, You are one of my best friends in WG and hopefully i'll still see you around enough. It was a honour to work alongside you.
Best of luck in future Mate wub.gif

By DZ on 30/07/2008
Monday August 4th is the official day of my demotion. Just putting that out there.

By DZ on 03/08/2008
Thanks to whoever leaked to Eugene! The one fucking thing I asked couldn't even be kept. I am so fucking tempted to leave right now.

Will the leaker actually step up and tell me that they've leaked it? *cough*

By Robertw56 on 03/08/2008
Eugene came on Teamspeak the other day, and told me he knew Tmal and Darkzero were leaving, he was told atleast 4-5 days ago.

Problem is, he probably told like 10 other people.

By Dalejamesw on 03/08/2008
I can honestly say it wasnt me :S

By Tmal34 on 03/08/2008
Well.
Seeing as I only have a day left I'll let it go.
Not like I didn't know it would happen, I mentioned it like 12 times in my goodbye.

And the only person I've told was Dark Blade75, and I only told him about mine, not DZs.
He is perhaps the best RS friend I have and it was my resignation so I don't regret telling him. He wouldn't have told Lordy.

By DZ on 03/08/2008
Oh I'm very confident in who I think it was, just want to see if that person is man enough to admit it.

By JC on 03/08/2008
I'm Fairly sure I didnt tell Eugene.....

Considering I have been inactive for the last ~2 weeks.

By Dalejamesw on 04/08/2008
[02:29:31] <10Jason-DarkThief125> so
[02:29:32] <10Jason-DarkThief125> like
[02:29:32] <10Jason-DarkThief125> tmal
[02:29:34] <10Jason-DarkThief125> is leaving
[02:29:35] <10Jason-DarkThief125> lol
[02:29:45] <10Dalejamesw> who said that?
[02:30:03] <10Jason-DarkThief125> I dunno, tis what
[02:31:55] <10Jason-DarkThief125> I was told
[02:32:00] <10Jason-DarkThief125> and was told not to tell either
[02:32:03] <10Dalejamesw> Dnno ask him
[02:32:04] <10Jason-DarkThief125> but since i'm bad i did
[02:32:04] <10Jason-DarkThief125> biggrin.gif

More people know, god knows who else knows

By JC on 04/08/2008
QUOTE (Dalejamesw @ August 04, 2008 01:32 pm)
[02:29:31] <10Jason-DarkThief125> so
[02:29:32] <10Jason-DarkThief125> like
[02:29:32] <10Jason-DarkThief125> tmal
[02:29:34] <10Jason-DarkThief125> is leaving
[02:29:35] <10Jason-DarkThief125> lol
[02:29:45] <10Dalejamesw> who said that?
[02:30:03] <10Jason-DarkThief125> I dunno, tis what
[02:31:55] <10Jason-DarkThief125> I was told
[02:32:00] <10Jason-DarkThief125> and was told not to tell either
[02:32:03] <10Dalejamesw> Dnno ask him
[02:32:04] <10Jason-DarkThief125> but since i'm bad i did
[02:32:04] <10Jason-DarkThief125> biggrin.gif

More people know, god knows who else knows

The seive that is WG 'Security' forums.

By Tmal34 on 04/08/2008
I would like for the person who told to admit it as well, but they won't.

By DZ on 04/08/2008
(using this post to get a time-check, I want to be on the hour)



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