Freedom of speech in wg..

We don't get freedom of speech.
Power hungry mods keep editing posts and such.
I've seen it happen to other people too.

How about you just stop it you mods?
I'm sick of it, I've literally had enough of those people who can edit posts.
Like its getting to a point where its members vs mods in wg.
Just let us have our say.

Just because we don't agree with your view, doesn't mean you have to edit out our posts or delete them.

I can have a go at a fellow member, for posting something I don't agree with.
Doesn't mean you mods have to edit it out.
I actually thought the only things that should be edited out are those things which attract warn lvls.
I have yet to receive a warn lvl in wg, but yet have had my posts edited out countless times.

If you're going to edit so much....
Why don't you tell us what to post then?
Like literally give us a transcript of what we 'should' post.

I totally agree with you Maths. Though it hasn't really happened to myself many times, I do see it happening often.

I agree, though as you can see, I dont post much... lol, but I do think its unfair, and happening quite a bit.

I totally agree with this maths but to lighten the mood i would like to show you all that Vince can actually love...

Can't personally say I've seen this happening. I personally only edit out someone's post if I'm asked to do so by the author of the post, or if the post is a definate flame bait/flame directed towards a fellow member.

Imo this should be in PM to the editor in question & in a security forum rather than rants, but I suppose this fits the description of the forum

EDIT: Unless they're the slideshow of me doing naughty things THAT I get angry about :@

~Mugger84

agreed, i think ive had like 5 posts in the last 2 weeks edited/deleted.

I agree Maths, but you must know that most of the time posts are edited because they may be offensive, inapropriate, or extremely negative. More slack should be given, but not too much.

Cutting back on it a bit would be a good thing, but at the same time they are doing their jobs. I'd prefer more of a responsibility system: if a moderator edits or deletes a post they have to document the original post and send a PM to someone higher up (council, or select forum moderators chosen in advance). They take a look and if the action is "approved" they forward the PM (with a note) to the person who originally made the post.

1. This means moderators are being moderated.
2. Everyone is accountable; their names and actions are documented and reasoning presented.
3. If they don't think the edit/deletion is worth their time then they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Rather than PMs this could be done on a moderator-specific forum page as well, with a new thread for each issue marked in the title: [Pending] and [Validated]. For large-scale issues a single thread could cover several posts made within the original thread being cleaned up. Example:

I've had posts edits out as well, at least we could get a warning or explanation of what was happening.

I can't recall the last time I edited someone elses post....

Actually I can, it was a poll posted by mugger and I edited naughty pics

but I dont really think this is directed at me....

i have freedom of speech to tell you no u

and well, mod can take things too far, but they do need to do it

I cant say this has really been happening. We'll edit posts if needed if its some sort of heavy flame towards another member that can cause trouble.

Everyone in WG has freedom of speech up to a point

Theres freedom of speech, then there is being an idiot and flame/flamebait everything breathing.

Yes, I agree.

And zlaran

No idea, I just remember it coming up last September before I left for like a year.

I just want to add that I got told to stop debating an issue that one of the staff disagreed with about in IRC. He didn't like my opinion so yesterday the few of us talking about the issue basicly got told to shut up. When we didn't drop the issue but were calmly stating our opinions, it was apparent that he believed that he couldn't trust us to make good decisions. I said yet another thing he didn't like and was threatened with a warn lvl that could not be appealed.

So be careful with what your opinions are in IRC, some staff will not think twice about giving you a warn lvl that can't be appealed as it was told to me. I still disagree with the opinion and actions that were done.

We only have as much freedom of speech as we are allowed. If your seen as someone with an opposing opinion you may become a target.

Its a culture.
Its part of the new "community".
This will go away with time.
If I see it happening the person responsible will be spoken to.

Boy, I'm screwed.

Warn levels, here I come!!!

Rach is too polite, I would have posted names and screenshots and acted very egocentric.

It has become more of an issue when posts disappear without any sort of idea why or for what is going on.

i agree 100 percent. I was googling the freedom of speech speach but i couldnt find it

I don't see it as a problem.
In fact I find its pretty easy for people to say whatever they want.

Well damn, if anyone should be for this, it should be me... I am the undisputed king of having his posts deleted or edited randomly, for the sole purpose that I speak my mind. Hell just a few hours ago a post of mine was deleted... The post said this, and I quote

I see you all mention mods and moderator yet i see no actual moderator rank just a bunch of people who have the power to edit posts

Yes they moderate..just not very well.