The Wilderness Guardians.

The Wilderness Guardians.

That name used to mean something, used to be a banner to rally behind, for anyone.

Now it's just another meaningless 3 words like any other clan name.

To the council:

If you're not gonna try and be the Wilderness Guardians any more, which at the moment seems about right. Change the name.

This clan ceased being the Wilderness Guardians a long time ago. If times are changing, which you say they are, and the clan is changing, the clan name needs changing also.

Old School is WG. WG is Old School. The new school is not WG, hell there isn't even a wilderness to guard any more. It's like the Bank of Scotland deciding to sell hot dogs instead, but still being called the Bank of Scotland.

Change the name.

Owen.

Changing the name is a little more work than it sounds. You have to go redo everything like the website, forums, banners, etc. Even though there is no wilderness, it's the fact that we stand for what is right. You can't say just because old school WG isn't new school WG means that we aren't WG. That doesn't make any sense, we are WG, the people and personalities are different, but it's still WG.

This is just excessive. Why should we change the name? It may be a new WG, but it is still WG. The members that we have now are the members that make the clan that I know and love.

Basically you are saying you no longer want your former clan to do well, you have no respect for us, you no longer want to be assosciated to the disgrace of a clan we have made? You just want your memories of WG to slowly slide away into nothing.

We are WG, the new WG is, obviously, WG. It has changed, everything changes. You obviously want nothing to do with us, so why stay? I personally don't want you here if you are just going to put us down with posts like this.

I feel pretty insulted we should not be allowed the title of WG because you think we do not live up to your standards.

Yeh.. thanks.

Another one of these boring posts.
I'm actually sick of all this stuff.
Live with it.

I'm actually beginning to dislike all the old school members now.
You continually rant about changes and stuff.

Please do realize that the current members don't really care.
We don't need your suggestions.
We're coming along as a clan without the old school.
Just cause it isn't the same as you had it.

Remember, there is no wildy.
So things had to change.

I've never been so close to hurling abuse at someone in my life. Bassim, grow a pair.

Psh and people say the Old School don't look down on the New School. I don't really care either way to be honest I was part of both of it but your attitude really pisses me off. Who do you think you are really. You're just another ex-member now, there's new leadership and it was your decision to leave.





Brandon

So you mean that the past 10 months or so of my life have been wasted? Thanks a lot.

^ That would be true if I actually believed what you said. But I don't. GF.

...
I don't see the need to say anymore than stop complaining- the staff are doing what they think needs doing..

You guys make me want to hurl.

Karl, please don't insult Owen's intelligence or mine for that matter. Yes, you've been here for 3 years but what have you ever done for the clan? Not a damn thing but sit there in your computer chair eating Cheetos, drinking a 2 liter of Mountain Dew Baja, and drooling/farting on yourself while people like Owen, Gene, myself, Tmal, Jenny, Evildead, Rai, and countless others have fought to give you all what you wanted...a clan.

I'm sorry but I used to think you were pretty smart until I actually started reading your posts. Alot of people don't realize that you're flame baiting because you're using words they don't understand or haven't heard before in their lives. I see right through them and I've stayed silent for a while now...but enough is enough.

I've said this ever since Jagex changed the game. If there's no wilderness, how can there be wilderness guardians? Changing the name wouldn't be that hard of a thing to do if you really think about it. Why keep the name if you're sick and tired of what it stands for? I guess that's my problem.

Bassism, I apologize for not reading your goodbye post, but to me actions speak louder than words anyways. Most people tend to not abandon the things they care about. I find that when most ex-members say they care about WG, they actually do not care about WG as a clan as it is now, but rather they care about the legacy of WG. Even in your goodbye post you said you think WG should just shut down, which to me is a funny way of showing how much you care.

So let me get this straight...you care about WG to the extent that you want to be able to proudly say you were once WG and not have that title be tarnished by what WG is currently today? And you call me pretentious? As an ex-member what makes you think you have the right to insist, for your own selfish reasons, that WG change its name?

Please do not tell me you care about the clan as it is now. A clan is not a name, but rather the members make the clan. If you are making a proposal that the members of the clan unanimously oppose, that should be a good indication to everyone that you do not infact care about the clan. Rather, you care about the name and legacy of WG. You do not want the good name of WG to be associated with something you currently do not care about, which is why you want the name changed.

Please stop the ruse, we all know you want the name changed for reasons other than accuracy.

Using a name is a part of yourself. Every one has a name. To change it, to get rid of it, is to get rid of that part of yourself.

Most of your post made sense Flame except...there were those mentioned that never went through any fan based election.

That is true, especially in your case since i hazely remember you gaining council by eugene in early WG years, or was that sum who got it? or both, i forget

But there are cases where council jobs could have been done more efficiently if the election process wasn't such a screw up.

EDIT: Take note i'm saying this from experience from an early to mid generation due to the fact i missed most of the generation with the council members you mentioned previously from inactivity.

I could not agree with you more there bro. The election process is nothing more than a popularity contest. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with who would be the best person for the position...and that is a shame, really.

Oh, and the reason it's such a haze is because you insist on looking through the bottom of a bottle. What is it?? Jack Daniels?

Jim beam's with a side of smirnoff double blacks and some random keg of beer.

Ahh, how very typical. "I won't indulge you with a response" means: Dammit, he's figured me out and now I can't get away with it. Nice response Karl. I half expected more from you, but alas, I'll take it.

What are your reasons for keeping the name? Let's turn the tables on your argument Karl. Is it just so you don't have to do any of the work to come up with a new name and thus new website and forums, or do you not want the historical break from WG?

I don't understand. You badmouth all us old schoolers, yet you want to continue the lineage of the clan? If you hate us all so much, why not venture out on your own and leave the WG name at the door? There are quite a few of us, and moreso than in the clan now, who will always be associated with WG...the WG of days past. Of course, for me, I don't want my name associated with anything from this "new and improved" WG because it's not what I stand for, nor is it something that I ever DID stand for.


LOL Atta boy Flame.

There is also the case of the old schoolers flaming the current members/new members of WG, which is why some of the members are reacting in this way towards the old schoolers.

Rick, I must say, this place is just not as much fun without you. Who else would turn my own argument on my head?

If I did want to break off a link with the old school then you would be completely right, however as I said before it is just not as much fun without you here.

Reece, this has been going on for some time now and granted, alot of the old schoolers are to blame, but we're not taking the full blame. The new schoolers are just as much at fault here. There were times where a simple post went haywire because a WG member couldn't be bothered to post something constructive. It's always: "what are you doing here" "don't bother us" "go cut yourself".

I've read about all I need to read about WG dying and shit too but I'm going to post how I feel every single time because the new schoolers deem it necessary to badmouth people just because they know there will be no recourse.

Karl, you went all nice on me? That's such dirty pool. Well, I'm glad that we can agree to disagree and still have a laugh or two...unless...hmm, did I sense some...it almost sounded condescending.

Of course it's no fun without me, who else is going to call a spade a spade and not even worry about the consequences?

Okay, let me break these down as simple as I can.

Get your own identity, the one we created for you, you're damaging.
Members have also LEFT WG because of what it's become.
It's not an insult to give someone back what was rightfully theirs to being with.
WG will always have history, nothing can change that.
Umm, we've redone the ranks, redone the forums and redone the clan more times than once since WG started and it's not that hard to do, IF you want to do the work.
You're wrong, it was once what we stood for as a clan. You're using the name but you're not using it in the sense that it was created.
Whatever the reason, it's still someone's opinion and there isn't anything anyone can do to change that. We just have to deal with it.

I hope that answered a few of your points.

Lol, and just like that Mugger now knows why I did not give Rick a serious response.

Well, it was sort of serious, I actually do like having you here Rick, but just not as a leader. You and power get along too well.

'Get your own identity'

What? :S As far as I'm aware, this is The Wilderness Guardians Clan, is it not? This is the same clan as was created many years ago back in RSC, is it not? The clan's identity isn't stolen whatsoever... The First leaders, many years ago would have handed down the reigns to another person, a then leader. That leader, when he/she left would have handed down the leadership to someone else, and the process would have continued up to today. This IS The Wilderness Guardians, for better or for worse. It may be worse than 'your generation'. Well GOOD FOR YOU...? LUCKY YOU in fact...

Imo I wish I could have been in WG as long as you have and since you were, it must have been a blast. We're just working with what we're given. Why do you really think you have the right to say that WG is yours and that we've stolen the Idenity, because effectively, that is EXACTLY what you are saying. WG isn't as good as it was when you were around, therefore we're tarnishing its 'name'.

EDIT: What I don't think you understand here is RuneScape has become a lot more harsh place for clans. The pressure and scrutiny clans can be put under now is incomparisable to 2 years ago. It's not something a council from that time could simply walk back into and find a breeze. In my opinion, the only leader who was around 'back then' and who fully understands the clan world now, is Eugene. Fortunately enough he is returning to give a helpful push in the right direction. As far as I can see, all of these posts simply hinder his attempts, as they demoralise the current staff. By the time Eugene re-takes office, he will not only have a clan to fix, but a demoralised staff to fix too.

~Mugger84

There, now you're getting it Mugger. Atta boy.

Oh and I wouldn't worry about Gene and the demoralized staff. The staff here aren't doing anything anyway. lol

Don't worry Mugger, it's MY pleasure to not work with an arrogant prick like you and the rest of your moronic 20 Raid Leaders. You wanna throw shit, I can throw it with the best of them. Bring your A game son cuz you'll need it. I'd rather not do this on a public forum, but if you want to, I'd be more than happy to oblige.

Remember one thing though, it was you who called the first name...as is usual with most of you new school people.

Every single time I see Abs in IRC, I see Abs/Arm or Abs/Busy...I've been told this by your current members Mugger that he don't do much and he's even admitted it. What exactly are Dale and Rob doing? That I don't know. Rob is too new to know exactly what he's supposed to be doing. I don't know enough about Dale to form an opinion of him. He seems pretty cool though.

Then there are the assholes in green. The Raid Leaders. Correct me if I'm wrong but what exactly are raids nowadays with there being no wilderness and how does one gain that rank in such a short amount of time in the clan? Just wondering.

Oh and if my cock's out like you say, please feel free to get on your knees and SUCK IT!!!!

Goddamn rick have all your christmases come at once?

lol

Everyone needs to take a chillpill.

Quite frankly, I could care less what we're named. Wilderness Guardians, Tea Guardians, Guardian Guardians, who cares. It's the people and community that matters. The "old" WG doesn't exist, obviously, since it's a new generation. Changing the name over something that stupid isn't worth the time and effort.

Oh, runescape.

It's what I do Evil and I guess I still got it.

/me shrugs


Okay Mugger, if it's wars you deal with, why not change the name to War Leaders or don't any of you know how to do it.

If you'd like to know more on how to change ranks within a clan, let me know.

Exactly how long does one have to be in the clan in order to put in an application for said ranks?

Guys ..ffs

Yeah, I have tons of more questions:

1. Can a clown be charged with murder if he makes you die laughing?

2. If you're driving at the speed of sound and turn on the radio, can you hear it?

3. If you're up in a tree with a gay guy, would you go down?

4. If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?

5. When you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?


There, I have plenty more questions to keep you busy if you really want me to list them.

Meaning? You will NEVER catch me at a loss for words. You're just not fucking smart enough, nor good enough to do it. You keep trying though sunshine.

LOL I"m responding, you're just too stupid to realize it.

You might want to quit. You're not helping yourself at all. You're really looking like a dickhead and that was my goal. To show people just how you are. I win, you lose. Now please, go fuck yourself. I got better things to do.

I think we've seen enough contribution from people who aren't even in the clan anymore.

The Wilderness Guardians is a great name and nothing will change that

rick your posts are ridiculously unhelpful

karl deserves a bit of respect

I do think this suggestion has turned into an argument that has steered itself away from its intended suggestion.

To many extent I agree with King and Karl. You do not change name just because what it functions in retrospective of now to of yesterday days (or years) aren't similar. By no fault of any clan management, this is a change that affects all clans - we all know that so well.

The lineage to keep the name is a rememberance of respect of the since-ways, a coin of a sense of integrity why it had been born in the first place. Why the need to change it?

I cannot see the rationale for that need besides negative connotations. I would assume the precise, name it - if you will - I'd be glad to be proved wrong.

A suggestion of forgoing the current name led to such interesting debates - I wonder each argues with their own integrity? If so, does it not spell that the name

"WILDERNESS GUARDIANS"

...spells something of a difference to each?

Am I ashamed to be associated to a "failing" WG (as deemed by many old school)? - Actually, I do not see it as failing. Rather - too much interferences of old and the very old to the very very old to the imposed new. Granted, that "old" can also be claim to be "new and improving".

Basics, if we demand that the "old" be respected then grant that the "new" be respected. It is the hovering of such fears, claims and callings that keeps things to a stand-offs.

Also, granted some old schoolers left for their valid reasons (claiming their "right" to still care for the clan) - good enough - that's ok. Do something nice, non-implicative as elders rather than thinking "lets pour all whoas (honesty) and make you think!" when wisdom is what you could bring more in - for having cared already - to have handled it, in less damaging and implicative manners.

In another words - swallow your pride (if you deny any, I'd love to hear it ) and indicative for as elders and flow with the tides to suggest to the new generation what they can consider. Be wise enough yourself to know that, for being not an active part in the current play of the clan - do not expect the same response or respect you'd like as before when you had been in your "glory days" - those are such different times and platforms.

If you do not like what I've said - its regretful. Because as much as I could hand respect to all old and older schoolers, I judge base on you, your promise(s) as well as by person to clan to self.

All these bullshit is enough, each are just killing WG when it could've needed positive intakes and aid - especially of old schoolers, to have been wise - to the least less discriminating, to have become so "old" (just a grammar intake) when "old" should just mean "warmth" and "wise" (note "warmth" + EQ = community, for a good cause).

I fricken hate you Val....I really do.


Great to see you old friend...still like to put copyrights on your posts I see.


I spoke with Mugger already about our little tiff and it's cool. I was messing with him because I knew how late it was and I knew I could get to him. He's a crabby cuss when he's had no sleep.

Lops, I've given Karl about all the respect I'm going to.

Very impressive Mugger, I do believe you got the best of Rick!

But now you see why I did not indulge him with a serious response, he tends to throw in flame baits and hen peck arguments until you are either in a flame war or are not arguing what is at hand anymore but rather on the precise length of each fingernail on the proverbial hand. Either way, you go completely off topic, which is what I did not want to happen, and which is what did happen with Rick asking a series of ridiculous questions.

Thank you Valdy for putting us back on topic. You are completely right Valdy, the name "Wilderness Guardians" means something different to everyone, which to me brings up an interesting question. For those advocating a name change (this question is mainly aimed at Rick who was trying to get Council), if you were suddenly put into WG council, would you still want the change the name? Would the name mean something different to you if you were the one at the helm? And if so how can you honestly expect the current Council to want to change the name?


"Wise" School? Careful Valdy, you might create a new name for old school members who actually try to use their wisdom and experience to help the clan rather than antagonize it

TBH pvp worlds are coming out so we could essentially say that we are still guarding the wilderness when that happens
(if skillers are stupid enough to skill in pvp worlds )

Tbh the technical problems created by changing the name would be great.
For one every WG graphic EVER created with the full name or with the intitials would have to be re-done.

Wind puts WG on all her sigs, I put WG on most of my underbanners or w/e....

Also we wouldn't be able to use the QC (get this guardian off me) anymore

Okay, I apologise, didn't want to start a war geez.

When I name something, or see a name, I use that to get an idea of what that thing is, I was under the impression that's what a name was for.

Post Office, Bank of Scotland, Unisex Salon.

It's part of what drew me to WG, I knew what they did as soon as I read the name.

WG's name is probably the only clan name that describes what it used to do.

Most other clan names are just some way of sounding cool. Eternal Honor, Divine Forces, Corruption, The Death Monkeighs, none of these describe what they do, but I find this acceptable, because they also do not mislead anyone reading the name, it's just a name.

You were wrong Mugger, Wilderness Guardians IS a Job Description, just read it. Wilderness. Guardians.

I don't like seeing things named something they're not, it's misleading, and irritates me.

And George, if someone is stupid enough to skill on a PvP world, they probably deserve to get killed, it's by choice, they're not innocent. WG is the Shield of the Innocent. Hell, Shield of the Innocent wouldn't be a bad name for the clan. SotI on Rick. SotI on Rick.

Again it was meant as a suggestion, but the hostility I recieved in response was very aggrevating, leading both me and Rick (Who I'd like to thank for having my back) to get annoyed.

Might as well lock this.

Just because there is no wildy anymore does not mean you have to change the name. That was very ballsy of you to do Bassism.

Thank you Bassism, even if I completely disagree with you, this has been a interesting discussion. I hope you realize there is alot more in a name than just describing a function.

Please forgive us for the war, but you should have expected such a response when you ask a whole clan to break a symbolic and historial like to its past just because the inacuracy is irritating to you. It would be like someone from Spain suggesting that America change its name to Columbia for the sake of accuracy (because Columbus actually reached the Americas first and was cheated out of the name by Amerigo Vespucci), and then getting all surprised when people got offended with his suggestion.

Locked at Author's Request.

~Mugger84

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