My advice

It wasn't THAT horrible.

It was just my opinion and noone elses.

Kk, ill admit I am exaggerating a bit...but only because it is your birthday!

Happy B-day Owen

Twiz, where in my post did I bitch about the clan's state? You can give your + signs all you want, it won't change how someone feels.

Thanks Karl. I didn't miss where he said that at all. I guess my point is, why make a post that contradicts the point you're trying to make? That makes entirely no sense whatsoever.

Actually Twiz, it is kind of the other way around...Rick tends to try to prove his point by making the other person look bad. Actually, most of the time the point gets completely lost, and he just tries to make the other person look bad.

As far as I am concerned though, Rick can bitch all he wants so long as he does pretend to be the victim and whine about being "prosecuted" when we defend ourselves.

Nice try for an insult.
I'm in university.
And in case you doubt my intelligence..
Its a bachelor of mathematics + bachelor of engineering (elec).

Oh and yes, a course gpa so far of 6.25.

So go shove it rick.



Actually wait up.
You're trying to insult and ask questions about members you don't even know?
How thick are you.
Why don't you try to get to know people and the whole community of wg before you start posting your suggestions.
Oh and you may hear some "aspects" of the community for a few people....
But they probably think the sun shines out of your ass, so its not really that good of a source.

Mugger...you just don´t get it do you. You see, Rick is a rare creature (actually quite common around these parts) known as a forum troll, and the best way to deal with forum trolls is to lure them into a forum where they can argue and rant, but not everyone has to put up with it. So we created this forum, under the guise of getting advice from all staff, when the real function of this forum is to keep forum trolls like Rick out of the Guest and Hello/Goodbye forums that they usually inhabit. The reason only staff are allowed here, is that the large majority of forum trolls have an appetite for gaining ranks, and those staff who are not forum trolls are fairly well trained (although to be honest Maths could probably use a bit more training) at dealing with Rick and other forum trolls.

Now, it is important that we simulate their natural environment, and so we have to keep a good supply of topics open where they can rant and flame freely like they do in the wild. Now, most times the forum trolls with create these topics themselves, however if things here settle down in this forum, then they might start hunger for the other forums where they once inhabited. With this in mind we sometimes have to step in and create our own topics as bait to entice them to stay here.

It was a bit desperate, but the current topics were getting too stale to appease the appetite of Rick, probably the most troublesome of the forum trolls, and so we had to enlist the help of Nolan to create a new topic that would be simple yet effective troll bait. The key here was keeping the topic so short that it could easily degenerate into pointless arguing, and adding in an inherent contradiction, which most forum trolls cannot resist pointing out, no matter how obvious it may already be to everyone else.

So please Mugger, do not lock topics in the future here, let the forum trolls frolic freely in this controlled environment so that they do not get the urge to venture off and reclaim their old stomping grounds.



Btw, this is mere fun and is not intended to offend, ill post something serious later

Oo...actually I thought you would find it funny. You are right, it was pretty much irrelevant, but I guess it was my failed attempt to lighten the mood.

As I said before, I will make a serious post later. I apologize if my sense of humor has offended you...not that I have much care if you are offended by my words, but I would rather you be offended when I am being serious than when I am just trying to make you and others laugh a bit.

It is true, I do value the comments, questions, and input from former members, even if it is highly critical of WG, however it is a two way street. Former members should be allowed to share their opinions and input, and current members likewise should be allowed to post their opinions and criticisms of input, regardless of the apparent friendliness.

I will admit that some of the responses from WG members (yes, including myself) have been extremely negative, or responding on a personal level instead of the topic at hand. To that extent you are right Rick, however the problem I see with your argument is that you also seem to be offended when someone is simply highly critical of the input of former members. If a former member posts input or a criticism that seems hostile to the clan, the members have every right to attack it.

What you are asking us to do in principle is to allow former members to post input they want, but for current members to tie their own hands when responding.

I think much of this topic has to do with respect, which is also a two way street. As far as I am concerned, that is the bottom line here. Personally, I try to draw a line by criticizing the argument a person is making, but not the person making the argument. However, if you level personal criticisms at others, then I will of course take issue with your lack of respect and try to give you hell for it.

Rick, for my part I am very willing to show some respect, however at the same time if I see you attacking members instead of attacking their arguments, then I am not simply going to sit back and watch.

Mass Debate?

On topic, I don't think completely ignoring advice from ex-members is the answer, although obviously I'm quite biased. After all, the only ex-members that can view this forum were once Staff members at some point in their history, therefore I think it can be assumed they will usually know what they are talking about. While yes I agree that WG needs to go in the direction it's members want, a little outside advice always helps, especially if this advice is coming from someone with experience.

If you're lost while driving you don't ask someone in the car do you? You ask someone in the street, who knows the area.

Gah, I actually agree with what Bassism said (good analogy too ), so now there is nothing to argue about. See, look what you did Mugger, now this topic is way boring.

Ill continue with the analogy though...just because a local recommends that I eat at the Old Country Buffet, that does not mean I should eat there. The locals are from a different place and grew up eating different food than I did, so if I follow their advice I might get where they want to eat, but now where i want to eat. Instead of following their advice, I am going to New China Buffet to gorge myself.



Wow, who knew that analogy could be so elaborate...and now I am hungry.

Well, yes, if I would have listened to the locals (in this hypothetical analogy) I would not be sick from food poisoning. Turns out sometimes the locals know what they are talking about.

Dude evil, just get over yourself...who doesn't like bagels?!

If you want to make a real statement at least tell us what you like on your bagels. As far as I am concerned real butter (not that crappy spread stuff) with apricot jam owns everything else.


Off topic: Rick, what is Ponderosa? I do not believe I have ever been there.

Cream cheese looks, and probably tastes, like curdled semen.....

Fishies...steamed and spiced. Oh wait...and melted toasts on ocassions, yummy.

Wow I just may never eat cream cheese again in my life.

Win

On a serious note, that's a good thing to bear in mind.

I try to avoid asking for directions because usually I can only remember the very last thing they said, and get even more lost. Thats even after ive got them to repeat it twice.

Ok, that just sounds delicious, I seriously need to try that sometime!!