Talking about drugs in #WG

Right, I have had enough of this.

You may think it fine to talk about drugs in #WG because half the day you are stoned off your face, but I guarantee most of WG, myself included, do not want to hear about your plans to hotbox a bus.

From now on if I catch you talking about Drugs in #WG I will suspend you for 24 hours, no arguments.

stop talking about me

straight edge

OH NOES! DRUGS!

ANYTHING BUT THAT!!

It is pretty annoying.

Personally, to me, Drugs and Alcohol are both repulsive habits that I don't like.

It also annoys me to see my friends in the IRC Stoned/Drunk when they're all out of it and trying to kill themselves on RS and everybody just thinks it's hilarious.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

I appreciate this Evil. Thank you for being you.

thank you evil! i absolutely hate it when ppl talk about doing drugs and stuff

What is this, kindergarten? I am a strong advocate of freedom of speech. Talking about drugs doesn't kill you, doing them does. So chillax.

Telling me to "Grow up" is nothing to do with not liking what I am doing as a leader, that is a form of flaming.

Go see what happpens if you talk about drugs in front of me.

I agree with Evil on this. You may think younger members are dumb by being easily impressionable but how many people do you think they know if they don't do any drugs that do-do drugs? If they see you discussing the good times that will impression on them.

Not only that, but drugs can make people feel very uncomfortable and even if it makes 25% of WG uncomfortable or even 1 member we need to be understanding and move the conversation to private PM. It's not a violation of your human rights ( ) because you're welcome to take the conversation up in private, just keep it out of #WG.

trust me....being clean is amazing......

but yea i wont talk about them if i get on irc again.....and again I finally am clean.

Oh well, doesn't make a difference for me personally.
I don't talk about drugs but I don't mind if people talk about it, though the decision is understandable as it annoys some people.

Look, it starts with the topic of drugs being banned. Then alcohol, or sex, or violence. If you ban one topic, why not ban everything? If I say "go Red Soxs", it's going to offend a Yankees fan. So let's ban people from saying that...NOT.

Freedom of speech ftw.

There is freedom of speech and then there is taking it too far colin.

I am fairly lenient, I allow the sex/swearing etc. discussions that we often have in #WG the behlieve me, other clans WILL NOT allow.

Perhaps I should set W as #WG's network service for a bit, then you will actually see what being strict is.... that bot will kick you if you even say an acronym of swearing ie. LMAO.

Drug talk is not acceptable, we don't live in Amsterdam, nor is this clan based in that timezone so for 99.99% of WG is living in an area of the world where the use of it is illegal, hence I do not wish it to be discussed in #WG.

I would also like to point out:

Yeah I don't want to hear about drugs.
I'll ban you too.

Hmm, i never thought about it this way..

But it won't be a bad thing to ban the drugs talk.
Theres a lot of people showing off with what they did (True/false - up to them)
it might influence other people indeed.

You should be very strict with this, 1 warning & next time is Banned.
Set an example so people know you arn't kidding.

You wouldn't go on about it in other clan IRC's so why dirty our IRC with it.
Listen to Evil he is wise and is saying this for the good of the clan

~George

Lol.
When Council or Primary Leader sets down a rule, it's a rule.
Sure, you have freedom of speech and may speak against it.
But Lol, that doesn't affect anything, you'll still suffer the punishment if you break the rule, whatever the punishment may be.

If you want guys, just talk in personal message, or just make a new channel to talk about the Drugs.

My view on Drugs is neutral, I don't like Drugs, however speaking about them shouldn't be that bad, although it depends about what exactly you speak about. If you talk about ways to handle Drugs, then that may influence other/younger members of the clan to try it out, simply talking about Drugs & how you feel about them is alright I suppose.

But in no way am I supporting breaking rules =P

~Abs

I'm on the fence on this one. Although i've never done the drugs you speak of in my life, I've always found it rather odd that you can get a 10 year jail sentence by taking a drug which originally was actually made as a medicine. If it spawned anti-social behaviour, I'm all for it, but there's many drugs which don't do anything close to it.

You'll probably find the vast majority of clans freely talk about it. But there again, we do have younger members of the clan who may well be influenced about people glorifying drugs, and we don't want to be responsible for that. Many of us aren't affected in the least by it, but there will be some suseptible.

Nothing is wrong with discussing your personal issues with drugs in private. I have to agree with it not being wise to discuss in public places. Although you may think you know each other well, who is to say we don't have a our own police in the channel.

When you joined the clan you knew there would be rules to keep the community good for the whole of the clan. Although you feel your freedom of speech is dampered, actually it is protecting the weak. Maybe someone is in recovery and doesn't need the tempation of hearing it.

Be respectful to our leaders and other members. This is not offensive to me. I have only rarely drank wine myself. The staff has my support on this issue. One warning is fair enough with a boot, then more serious after that.

As always, JC is showing true wisdom and maturity in his leadership position. Thanks JC for all you do for us. Even protecting us from ourselves.

My sig, FTW.

Last i heard this isn't the army, its an online GAMING clan, no gaming clan has the right to take freedom of speech under threat of punishment, im pretty sure thats more illegal than talking about drugs.


Edit: Oh and on that note, you have to defeat lordy who i find to be the founder of this clan because he sets the example by recording videos of himself getting stoned, then goes on TS when hes stoned. So im pretty sure the example has been set and we follow the way of the founder.

Tyvm.

One restriction after another.

Whatever, it wasn't exactly the "hot topic" in IRC all the time. It was just a little discussion every few days, I guess its no big deal.

Wow get over it welcome to the real world...
Lifes tough get a helmet...

wg isnt a democracy, its a dictatorship....so sdfu grow up and leave it.

While yes, technically it is hampering "freedom of speech", people need to understand that alot of people maybe don't want to hear about you doing a lung, snorting a line or whatever. All the people who are complaining about their rights being abused, think about the people who don't want to hear about drugs, at all, and try to be a bit more sensitive.

It's all about trying to be mature, if the few of you that do want to discuss drugs want to talk about them that much, go to #wg_drugs or something.

The point is, the LEADERSHIP, does not want to hear about drugs, as well as alot of the clan don't want to hear about them either. The leadership has the power to do what it likes, as long as it is for the good of the clan, and I think this is a good move.

However, Evil, I think a 24 hour suspension is a bit harsh as a first punishment, perhaps a warning and an IRC kick, or something before a full out 24hr suspension.

Out of respect I will try to limit my discussions of alcohol while in the IRC.

I don't think it's right for you to take away any possibility for talking about drugs. I'm not a fan of them, and have never taking illegal substances, but I think they should be able to be debated if ever the chances occurs.

I personally don't think you have the right to take away our option to even discuss drugs.

There is a difference between a healthy discussion about people's views on drugs and whether or not certain ones should be legal due to medicinal properties or kept illegal and saying, "Dude I got so fucking stoned last night I couldn't even walk straight, you should start smoking this shit man, it's so fucking cool!"

Obviously the first example (debate, conversation) could ultimately be healthy, while the second is what should be used as reason for banning.

Also, take into account that there is also a difference between sharing a personal experience concerning drug usage and suggesting or glorifying drug use.

"Hey, man, I tried pot once and it really messed me up and I felt terrible, just don't do it."

Is different from,

"Dude, you should totally try it, it feels soooo good."

Which could both be in response to someone's dilemma where he/she is under peer pressure or is feeling "adventurous" but isn't sure.

The topic itself shouldn't be banned outright, but comments or statements that make drug use seem "cool" or "alright" are what should be bannable offenses because encouraging illegal behavior is wrong and really shouldn't be tolerated.

I've never been a fan of the peer pressure argument, but I'm with Evil on this one. It'd be easy to start up another IRC if you feel like messing around; I'd probably join it. He's taking a reasonable stand as an elected member of WG's council, respect it.

Since people aren't realising exactly what is happening.... just one of the logs today (obviosuly it is only a short section):

Yeah that's probably not appropriate conversation for #wg.

Yea , you can talk about sex in there but not drugs.
How funny does that make this rule then?

Well, you know my stance, and I still think that banning all drug-related discussion is ridiculous. I will leave the thread now.

That's a dictatorship for you, eh?

You could quite easily just make your own channel and talk about drugs in there. You will definatley have freedom of speech in there.

I really do hate all this bullshit about freedom of speech. You KNOW you are not allowed to talk about certain things and it's also common sense to not talk about doing drugs and such. If someone higher up than you tells you to stop talking about it, you better just shut up instead of looking like a muppet and complaining about freedom of speech.

Personally i dont see much drug talks on IRC, so it doesnt rly bother me...

but if thats what you guys want, its what you guys get. so, life goes on.

The people who are doing this may think its all in fun and a game, but I guarantee you there is someone younger who looks up to you and may be influenced.

Plus Evil has a point who wants Marius back on our asses?

LOL your all stupid. You think people are going to get influenced by talking about drugs? thats the least of your worries....

The clan has two major videos known by most of RSC were we smoke pot and get high.... go ban the videos as your starting actions then ill take your "No drugs" policy seriously.

maybe we should take em down then =/

I agree with owen and colonel.

Just like you could glorify drugs, you could similarly glorify alcohol.

Bear in mind the majority of people in the IRC are under 18, and it is actually illegal for them to take alcohol too (21? in several USA states and 18 for spirits in all of europe), and will also be influenced by alcohol talk. When taken in large doses, alcohol can lead to worse things than many drugs.

I believe talk of the topic should be moderated. Discussion is healthy, but it is difficult knowing where to draw the line. Yet similarly its difficult and quite possibly controversy-stirring to ban people if they say any slight hint about it.

On another note, I can't find a specific topic on IRC rules (though I remember creating one over a year back). Do we have such a topic?

If you want to talk about drugs on irc go to like #Wg_Drugs Lol.

Epic discussion. I think my point of view doesn't need to be expressed.
Not does it matters much. Listen to your leaders and be good, Guardians.