Important: Issues discussed at the TS Meeting

So last night at 5pm EST/10pm GMT, we had our first of our Sunday weekly ts meetings.
These will happen every week and the idea of them is to discuss issues that need to be discussed, problems, suggestions on events, clan ideas etc.
Anything!

Attendance:



Issues discussed last night:

1. Whizzy110's Suggestion: A Snipe Unit
- The idea was that we compile a list of snipers, who will always/often snipe at wars. The snipers would HAVE to be high levelled, almost maxed out if not already maxed out. This is to ensure that we have the best team out there.
The ideas of applications for this was discussed a little as well.
The team would have their own TS channel, their own IRC Channel to ensure that they do not get mixed up with the main pile during wars.
The idea of training sessions for the snipe team was also mentioned.

The idea for a trainee squad was suggested by Yingyang06.
The trainee squad would be a group of people who want to snipe, but do not yet meet the requirements, they would be trained by the snipe team.

2. New Additional ToG Time:
Suggested by Winddancir.

The new time, WOULD BE AN ADDITION to the current two ToG times (so NO CURRENT TIMES WILL BE CHANGED AT ALL!)
The new time would be: 5pm PST/8pm EST on MONDAY evenings and this would be hosted by Winddancir.

I put up a poll (Click HERE) to see who will attend if this is hosted, please vote carefully.

3. Pbplayer9's Suggestion: American Council/Council Activity
Vince pointed out the lack of American Council, obviously there is not much to be done about this, because when the next council applications are held you can't stop non-Americans from applying

But what we said about Council Activity was relevant. We are extremely privileged to have our council.
I'm not going to name any names, but they all do their bit for WG and by each having their different roles they create a very good support for Gene and for WG members, we should all be thankful for them.
HOWEVER, some of the council have been kind of inactive recently, obviously school and work have started back up, people are busier, I understand that, of course I do, however coming online for wars alone is not enough and is really not acceptible (unless an inactivity post is posted- none have been).

So please guys continue to do your jobs as well as you currently are, and keep active and we praise you for evermore k?

4. Havochaha's Suggestion: Clans to War
- We talked about the idea of formulating a list of what clans we could fight that won't totally demolish us.
Going to wars where we always get killed is demoralising (lowers morale in WG) and obviously sometimes it happens, we are not an incredible warring clan as I am sure you will agree.

However practice will ensure that we get better and who better to practice on than clans who are the same or slightly worse than us?

Omar is going to compile a list over the next few days.

5. Yingyang06's Point: Overall Attitude
- Flaming has got to stop.
There is going to be a zero-tolerance situation on any flaming. If you flame you can expect a minimum of a 20% warn, higher depending on the severity.
WG is a family. We need to start acting like one.
We need to start helping each other, advising each other, being there for each other.

Things have started to improve, although there is room for improvement.
I don't want to be giving out warnings for petty arguments, because quite frankly WG is beyond that.

We are a great clan, let's strive to be better!

Attend the next Weekly TS Meeting at 5pm EST/10pm GMT next Sunday if you have things to say.
If you cannot be there ask me and I will bring up the point for you.

~George

No flame wut. Not even a little banter

YES MY IDEA IS AMAZING

Good points too ladies.

Thank you for taking what i had to say into concideration.

Most things here have been suggested before but still good

So ok, not even banter-ish flame? Like me saying that geoff is 10? And has a small p33n0r? = 20% warn. Fail tbh. Jess's idea is epic. Jess for snipe unit leader tbh?

If you're gonna call me inactive, atleast name me.

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=6124

Sure that will sort things out.

G'day.

I'll be taking a particular interest to suggestions 1 and 4. As for 1, I've always gone out to look for the highest leveled, most experienced members to snipe for wars, and often it's a scramble to scrape together 3 or 4 snipers at a short prep war. I'm sure that this idea could help all Fall In leaders greatly for when selecting snipers, and I think I might just make some form of topic to find out who is actually interested in sniping. EDIT: Topic made. Click Here for details.

As for suggestion 4, A list would also be a great help for when members are in the mood for a short-prep war. Personally, I know a few clans who I'd generally go to for a short prep, however perhaps if others knew some that I didn't, it would be a great help for finding a war

If anyone wants to try making a list of good clans to war then go for it


Good suggestions, everyone! Nice to see these Weekly TS Meetings do indeed work

~Mugger84

Anyone wanna call me inactive?

Because if you do..... I posted an inactivity thread 2 weeks ago.

What if someone disagrees with the topics you've mentioned? Do we bring it up at a meeting, talk to you about it, talk to the originator of the idea? What's the protocol?

Well, I think splitting up into "units" is a very bad idea. I believe it was tried on more than one occassion and ended up dividing the clan. I don't think this "unit" should have its own TS or IRC either. I mean, if we have to divide that much just to win a war of pixelated characters, then what's this truly say about us...as people? This is a clan and we win or lose as a unit...ONE unit, fighting together.

I can see this happening and I believe it's started already. "I'm the Sniper Unit and I kick ass, the rest of you suck." "OMG, I can't believe you didn't pick me to be in this unit, this is totally unfair and bias." "You're showing favoritism to the higher combat levels in the clan."

I'm telling, no, warning you that this is going to cause more problems than it's really worth.

Council members have real lives too, I really don´t think it is fair to tell them they should be more active.

The work load and what is expected of a council member is not sustainable, and that is why our clan has such a high turnover rate for council members. WG members push them too hard until they break.

George, that still don't get around the "I'm better than you" problem though. As soon as you start doing things like this, you're going to segregate the clan. Trust me, it's been tried before and has done rather poorly. I just don't want to see WG go down this road. If someone wants to snipe, let them, if someone wants to barrage, fine, if someone wants to melee, great...however, the problem lies when you tell people they CAN'T do something because they're just not good enough. It leads to hurt feelings, arguments, fights, flames and can include quitting the clan altogether.

I just think this is a bad idea. Let people war how they want. If you got 40 people to a war and they all want to snipe, big deal. The main thing is that you're fighting together, how you want to fight. After all, isn't that what's important?

It has nothing to do with "I'm better than you." or anything like that.

Whether there's a "Unit" for it or not, there are Snipers during a War. This Unit just helps keep these Snipers organized.

Vince, you really have no idea what something like this will do to a clan. I've seen it happen...here, as a matter of fact. You start weeding people out and you're going to hurt the clan.

I was here for the Sectors Rick, I know what it does. But this is NOTHING like the Sectors. Basically, just think of it as organization for something that already exists.

If you're good, you shouldn't need organization. You shouldn't NEED to have your own little clique...it should just happen. The only way I see this working is if you open this up to EVERYONE and not just the so called "best".

I have to disagree with ya rick, a lot of clans (Including top ones) have designated snipers and sniper TS channels, It's really for organization purposes (Believe me lagging and hearing a sniper telling other snipers to get on a specific person does confuse you, it makes you go away from the main pile causing disorganization).
If snipers have their own TS channel, then the main pile will have much better organization. Same goes for snipers, they'll know who are they sniping because they won't be hearing location spams/pile spams all the time from the main pile.

If people DO brag about being snipers, it shouldn't be a big problem really, sometimes they do it just for laughs and everyone is cool with it. If it gets serious though, then it's them who are going to suffer, because they'll lose respect of lots of people, I don't think it'd reach that state though.

On topic: I feel that we should also replace dead snipers all the time, losing our snipers without replacing them could have disastrous effects on our tanker's abilities.

Mm.
Rick does make a good point, I know what he is thinking, that this will create divisions etc.
The point is snipers without training = useless.
This group is essentially to know who our snipers are so we don't have to spend ages at the beginning of a war saying "Oi Zlat snipe" and then other people start saying "why can't we snipe?" etc.

With this new system if you don't meet the reqs you don't snipe.
Simple.

I agree with the new snipe team as it allows the snipers to 1) operate effectively as they know who to stick on, and 2) stop the other clan from binding effectively. It wont segregrate the clan because its just a snipe unit...

Ill post the list soon guy

I think what Rick is saying is that instead of limiting the "Snipe Unit" to those with maxed combat stats and what-not, have the training sessions for them open to everyone.

I agree that those sniping during a war should have their own TS channel and IRC just so they can be effective, because if they're seeing the main pile, it's a bit useless.

Just don't have requirements for the "Snipe Unit" I mean, if anything at least let people learn how to, because in Full-Outs, the initial phase is pretty crazy and sometimes people can't find the pile until the 3rd or 4th pile so in the meantime, they just run around the map. Instead let them attend snipe training so they can just start attacking hybrids.

Also, create the "Unit" at the war. It's useless to create it beforehand, because then when someone doesn't show you start making a big deal about "Oh now, the unit isn't complete" rather than if you'd make the "Unit" at the war, there's no chance of someone being missing.

I might post more later.

I don't think there should be a "training unit". I also don't believe in the "you're not good enough so you can't do it" thing. We're all in this together and one person WANTING to do it is better than three who have the levels but don't want to. I think it should be open to whoever wants to regardless of their combat levels.

I saw this all as a problem at the meeting and I was the only one there not soooo interested in war to not think things other than winning. Winning wars is great but at what cost.

Who is to say that a lvl 116 with alot of snipe experience and long time in the clan is not going to be better then the lvl 125 who doesn't like war and only shows up for attendance. I come to war more to see you all in the game than to tank or whatever.

I wanted a female forum and got told it was splitting up the clan. That it disincluded the guys. How is this any different. We have like 7 females I think. Some are in a fat wg clan, should the skinny people feel bad?

Rick has been around long enough to see problems coming. Jess is only trying to help wg win wars. Just be careful about how all this is set up. I get ripped on for my level alot and at times it is upsetting. Like when they push it to far and make comments like lower lvls are basicly waste to the clan. Don't put something in place that could potentially damage relationships.

Maybe have tryouts? I don't know. At least give those who don't meet the "requirements" a shot.

Host an event where those who want in act as a sniper. Instead of looking for damage splats, look to ability. Do they attack the right people. Are they quick to attack snipers? How are they at shaking off anti-snipe?

Obviously the damage is important, but here's something I've learned. When I was living in Cameroon, the UCLA basketball assistant coach came out there to look for new players for the team. You all know that historically, UCLA is pwnage in basketball. However, what they weren't doing was looking for who made the most lay-ups, or the most dunks, or who could do crazy tricks with the ball. They looked for the people who they were sure could improve drastically and become amazing.

Why don't we do the same? Don't let people on based on if they hit frequent 20+s, but rather accept them if they are quick to act. Possibly even to take on the role of Anti-Snipe when needed and be able to switch back.

Levels aren't everything.

For the record, I'm against the "requirements" or "recommended stats" but am for the special TS channels simply for efficiency.

Give everyone a FAIR chance to snipe.

I still stand by what I said originally that we should just host events that are sniping based and then organize the team while we mass that way we don't get worried if a specific person isn't around. Instead we'd have 20 perfectly good snipers around and no worry because there are many to choose from.

Remember, we've had segregation before and it's always led to bad things. Let's not do it again...

Guys, just remember that if it does more harm than good, it can always be removed.
Give it some time, you haven't seen it put into action yet. If problems do come from the snipe unit, just make a rant post about it.

Making a rant post don't do a dang thing but cause problems. Why even put ourselves in this predicament? Let those who want to snipe do so and those that don't, don't have to. It shouldn't matter if you're lvl 105 or 125, if you want to range, go for it.

Nahhh this has pissed me right off now, remove the idea.. Or, i'll have to stop coming to wars all together... The arguing is stupid, i was trying to help?? Help for god sake.. Can't you miserable gits see that??

Yeah, sheesh, what are you whining for? We're having a discussion and if you can't handle a little critique here and there, maybe you SHOULDN'T come up with ideas. I'm just letting you know what could and probably will happen if you choose to do this. I'm not saying it's good or it's bad...I could care less cuz I hate wars altogether, however, I've seen this sort of thing many times in the past and it's always ended the same.

Again, if you want to have a sniping unit, have a ball, but let anyone who wants to be a part of it, do so and not make silly requirements and alienate those who want to at least give it a shot.

Is this martyrdom at its finest or what?

Not once did I say it was a shit idea, I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm merely pointing out the things that nobody has thought about because they're too busy focusing on what's in the box instead of outside it.

I don't think we need a junior snipe unit or anything. However training should be hosted well before each war. T Dawg could get a pool of players interested in sniping each week to attend practice. That way he can select who can snipe during the war out of the available players. A seperate ts channel should be used too as that makes alot sense. I don't think we need a whole thing devoted to snipers though, but place heavy attention to getting people interested in sniping ready before the war