Skilling and Warring - blending both in

I've been thinking of a solution to fix the Skilling and Warring thing in a way that both sides should feel comfortable with.

I've come up with this simple, yet hopefully effective, idea.

Attendance requirements.

We can set our attendance requirements to: 1 Raid/war + 1 skilling/community event a week. In addition to that, you have to sign up and attend the 1 important raid/war/pkri that occurs once every 3 weeks if you are online.
If you have an inactivity topic, you are obviously excluded.

With the way things are at the moment, it may not work, which is why I suggest this:

• ToG MUST be followed by another event to be counted on attendance (it counts as a skilling/community event)
  Example: ToG + Farming run on one day, ToG + Cut N Burn on the other day and so on.
  This is to prevent the 5 mins per week free attendance
  
• F2P skilling events and community events should be provided to avoid the 'I'm F2P' excuse
  Example: Cut N Burn at the willows south of Rimmington, Pyro "Mass Burning of Runescape" events, Hide N Seek, special events like the one Randy hosts, etc.
  
• Fixing the way attendance works (I have a plan that requires no scripts at all to help attendance compilers should this get approved)
  
• People should immediately try to host or request an event to be hosted if they have timezone problems instead of waiting for ones to be made

Can't think of anything else that may get in the way atm, if you know one, please post and I'll answer

If you don't meet the attendance requirements for 3 weeks in a row, you get removed from WG/Placed in Emeritus if you meet the requirements.

If you fail to meet attendance requirements for 2 weeks in a row, you get a warned about your inactivity in a PM (To help the 'I didn't know my activity rating was low!' excuse).

Seems a bit harsh X:, I know, but it's the only way I know of to help solve the Skilling and Warring attendance problems and the Skillers vs Warrers thingy in the clan.

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Ideas, criticism, support, etc?
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I totally disagree with everything lol.

I totally agree with this.

I honestly don't know what to say, but this plan sounds good.

Don't see why this wouldn't work. The bar to the left is an attendance requirement, just a very lenient one (me having not attended an event for a week or so and nearly have it maxed).

Looks good, agree

Do we have any one that is only using the TOG event to keep their activity in the clan? I see different people there when I attend myself. That would be something George would know. It is still an event that people have to make an effort to come to. I don't see a problem with the attendance being given for this event. Some busy people may use this as a quick event when they need it.

Your plan ups requirement of activity from 3 events anytime in a 3 week period to a very strict 7 events spaced out. I myself don't like that. This ups my number of war requirements also. I'm against that. I like the way the attendance bar is now. If I have to go inactive for a few weeks my attendance is covered. Some weeks I can attend 6 or more events then the next week attend none.

For someone who has a rolling event count as -4, Sithofwookie, I really don't think your opinion towards shrinking the ToG + Follow on event to just one attendance is really valid, as of course you'd want simple quick attendance given your current state of event skipping.

I personally, Rage, find the idea quite interesting. Hopefully the council/Robbie will pick up on a few points from here Nice suggestion.

i think we should kill raging for this.
DISAGREE TO THE MAX

LOL ONLY JOKING

i recon i shold start to attend more skilling events so it sounds like a good plan to get lazy fools like me to join in

Oops sorry ignore my first post, I wasn't thinking straight

I don't really know my thoughts on the idea. It's almost forcing people to become as one, when really we should be one naturally. I don't know if I think this would stop the epic drama flow, and I'm sure sectors wouldn't.

The example that came into my head is a magnet. They repel with little force on them, and the more you push them together the more it will repel.

I'll edit this when I know exactly what I think.

My original statement

I'll be honest on the emeritus part.

Lowering the req to Guardian+ will blow the rank.

Emeritus is honoured rank not just a rank that you get for quitting runescape and for acting lazy, since you don't have to do anything needed when you get emeritus.
The rank is beeing abused as many emeritus daily plays runescape.

in my eyes emeritus should be given for elites (seniors) only, well it used to be that way

Stricter attendance rules aren't necessarily a bad thing; we used to have them just like everyone else and nobody complained. It's just been so long since we lost the Wilderness that we're all a bit lazy. Personally though, I'm currently inactive just trying to make it to one event a week. If it gets bumped up to two required events, I might manage to be active again sometime between March and July (and I'm not even remotely kidding).

I like most of the stuff you've said, and I agree that our activity "requirements" at the moment are incredibly lenient if non existent.

I think the FoG/Other event counting as one event is a good idea for the same reason you've listed - 5 minutes a week shouldn't be counted as "active." I also agree we should have more F2P events in general just to eliminate the "I'm F2P" excuse.

Now, I'm TOTALLY against the idea of making Emeritus more attainable. It's not a rank that should just be handed out. Higher Guardian is a good fit for it. Guardian is basically still just the grunt level. Fresh out of the trial stage. I say this because if a member at the Guardian rank has done so much for the clan, that he or she deserves Emeritus, he or she should have been promoted already. If not, then something wasn't right and the rank hasn't been earned. Basically Emeritus is, at its lowest form the Higher Guardian rank, you can't expect that to just be handed to people.

What really caught my eye was the idea to move people into the Emeritus rank if they're inactive. The rank isn't for people who don't show up for three weeks. The rank is for people who have given lots of time to the clan, and can't commit as much anymore so they HAVE to go inactive.

Most things I agree with, but your ideas based on the Emeritus rank I feel are horribly wrong.

Forcing people to enjoy it isn't the right way to go lol, people will just quit. I like my thread moar.

so forcing people to go to events will stop people from flaming?

it could be used to boost activity but not to fix the problem of skills vs war

The raising the number of events we must attend to be considered active is a good idea. I just think making a rule that says what events we have to attend is wrong.

I pulled up the attendance logs.

Wars Attendance

We only have 7 people that have 10+ wars attended.

In the 5 to 9 range of wars attended we have 26 people.

In the 2 to 4 range of wars attended we have 24 people.

In the 0 to 1 range of wars attended we have 20 people.

Total Events Attended

People with 50+ events attended 21

Range 40 to 49 events attended 10

Range 30 to 39 events attended 5

Range 20 to 29 events attended 11

Range 10 to 19 events attended 14

Range 1 to 9 events attended 15 ( this includes 4 trials)

In Danger Rolling Event Counts

People with 0 events 2

People that are in the negative events 5

So basically we only have 5 people that are below what is required in the clan to be members.

It is not really attendance that is the problem here. I strongly disagree with more rules about attendance. When you look at the numbers it doesn't show a need for it. The clan is actively attending events. Increasing attendance to two events a week may be helpful, but not forcing people to do more things they don't enjoy.

Look at the facts as a clan we have decent active people.

Look at the war attendances. They could be alot better. Isn't that the problem bottom line? If more people were attending the wars would you really be wanting to drag people like me along? I think if you had more attendance in the wars, we would not be seeing all this drama.

A better idea would be to recruit more people giving you better chance of getting more people to attend the wars.

Look at the last 10 events in recaps:

Aussie Raid 8 to 9
European TOG 9
Monk Fishing 5
All Day PK 15
Australian TOG 2 (worst attendance ever)
Granite Mining 6
Daily Tree Runs 9 (PvP events at same time and host internet down)
Team Speak 13
F2P PvP Raid 20
Weekly D&D 3 (first week done)

Shows that 50% of the events would of still had attendance without a events leader there. Actually the events are pretty even between skills, raids, and community.

Even on the worst attendance, I read were people had fun. So it is not just about the numbers. It is about the fun. I'm sure Gary enjoyed beating George to Juna. I think I read where George had some 37 logs from a forever lasting tree. Even with low attendance they enjoyed going.

I believe this shows that we don't need more rules about what events we should attend. Up the number of attendance maybe, but don't push for what people should be doing.

I do agree with changing things just not forcing people to attend events that they don't want to go to. Why make it more division then it already is. Making me attend 4 wars/raids in a 3 week period is not going to encourage me to want to play more. I will dread coming on to rs knowing I have to put in so much time in something I really don't enjoy. I'm willing to put time into clan activity and even do extra things, but war is not of interest to me. Just like farming may not be an interest to someone else. It is not whether I am willing or not, but whether is it right for you to decide for me.

More attendance is fine and probably needed, but not making rules to force people to do what they don't enjoy.

It's not like I haven't gone and tried things. I do and I probably will continue to try new things. I just disagree with a rule that forces me to do it. We don't need that kind of battle to start causing more drama.

^Exactly my point as Rachel said. Forcing them to do the things they don't want isn't going to solve anything. This is why I proposed sectors again in the first place, so everyone can do their own thing but come together for what really matters: Wars. There will also be a combined sector for those who want to raid AND do skilling events.

The only thing I should have added was less leniency about the issue of wars and attendance. If we do either idea we NEED people to participate in these things, otherwise it's all for naught. Enforce the attendance policy of course, but I still prefer sectors over the whole melting pot approach we have right now.

Actually something really good came out of this thread. It shows that even though we may not agree, we respect each other and didn't flame.

I really hope council will consider some type of increase in attendance. I trust thier wisdom to see the possible problems with forcing members to do things.

Coming up with sugestions and discussing them here is really a healthy thing for the clan too.

I Skill AND War, Im in between both so I have no arguments. I just like to PK but I also like to skill

I'm sorry Raging but I disagree wholeheartedly and here's why:

I don't want anyone to TELL me that I have to be at a certain place at a certain time on a certain day. I have a life other than this clan and this game and I'm not going to forego my family or anything else for it. There was a time where I did just that and it almost cost me my marriage...not going there again.

If you force me to attend events, I'll just leave quietly (like that'll ever happen..lol).

We don't need rules like this. If you can make an event, go to it...if you can't, don't worry about it. Start forcing people and you're going to get people, like me, who will dig their heels in like a stubborn mule.

I hate war/pk trips but I've went on one the other day because I wasn't doing anything special. It's really not a big deal. It's just boring because I never get kills while I have to endure the "omg, another kill" speeches. But I'm still there, nonetheless.

hmmm..
i dont know there are a few things i like and dislike,

i like the fact that there will be more skilling events (love those)

i dont like the ToG + a following event.
saturdays are the days im out and about, lol you will NEVER see me on the computer on weekends, unless i am grounded and my dad is not home. (like this weekend.)

on a day that everyone is so mobile i dont see why we would have to tack on an extra activity just so we can make it longer to count as attendance, it's not the length that matters, its the productiveness of the event...

I think ToG should definitely be counted as an attendance by itself.

As of lately it has been really hard for me to make it to any events, nevertheless 2 events a week. I don't really agree with the requirements, but I would like to see more activity that is enforced by the player to him/herself instead of by leadership.