Major Changes to WG

After a super secret council meeting over TS earlier tonight, various plans have been set in place to secure WGs future and ensure a better quality of clan life for you guys.

Upon reviewing every aspect of Wildguard - From it's leadership to the application process, to the sectors themselves. We've come up with a new plan for WG that will be initiated over the course of the next week.

On Monday the 2nd of March, the forums will be down for 24 hours to allow us to make vital changes to user ranks and the forum structure.

To give you guys an idea of what we have planned, here is a brief explanation.

1. Sector Merge
The sectors will be merged. They are not working right now.
WG will be just how it used to be - One big clan that offers everything.
Universal requirements, around about 100 F2P combat or 110 P2P.
Existing members will not be removed from the clan for not meeting requirements, but will be pushed hard to train to them over time.

2. Event/PK attendance requirements
All and any event goes to attendance, no matter what it is.
8 people must be at an event to make it count OR any event hosted by a raid leader/event coordinator/council

3. Tertiary leaders will have their ranks modified in the following ways:
Wilderness Leaders --> Raid Leaders --> Specialize in fighting events
Skill Leaders --> Event Coordinators --> Specialize in community/skilling events
Community Leaders --> Moderators --> Clean forums, mod IRC
Application Managers stay the same.
Fighting/Skilling members will be moved over to the combined purple rank at Trial, Guardian, Higher or Elite depending on their current rank.


4. Community members
All current community go to emeritus.
In future only higher+ will be eligible for this rank upon quitting runescape/going inactive. Requirements for this rank also include having access to your runescape account and be willing to use it for important events/wars.

5. Memberlists/Ranks
Fighting list gone, Skills list gone, Community list gone. All merged into one list.
Possibly an emeritus list


6. New Application structure
This will be completed by Eugene.

7. New forum structure:

Announcements
----
Announcements
War Forum


Events
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Clan events
Wilderness events


Clan Matters
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Hellos & Goodbyes
- Inactivity
- Hall of Shame
Suggestions, Compliments, Rants
Guides & Tutorials
-Runescape Guides
-WG Guides
General Matters
Real Life Forum
Trial Guardian Graduations


Security Forums
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Level 1
Level 2
Level 3 (All tertiaries)
Level 4


Public Forums
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Remain the same


8. Recruitment Plans
PM people looking for a clan on RSC, make a personal message and personalize it for them. Along the lines of "this is what you said you wanted, this is what we have"

9. New Teamspeak Server
- possibility of making it public, private rooms for events with password on forums

10. morale
All council to be on runescape for at LEAST 5 hrs a week. We'll be showing the clan that there is way more to the clan than winning wars. There will be more community events to aid morale and not emphasize on winning wars. We will be showing that having fun is the most important thing at the end of the day.

That right there is just a short-list of what we're going to be doing over the next 5-9 days. We need you to hang in there and allow us to make these potentially life-saving changes to the clan. I hope i've outlined it alright using mine and dz's notes from the meeting.

If you have any concerns/queries/suggestions you can post them here.

Winnnnnnnnn

excited!!!

I'll add my input when i have more time.

wow, sounds great!

just maybe one small suggestion: maybe a goal and achievement thread, not just achievement, becaues that way you can tell everyone your goal in RS as oppose to when you achieve it.

I look forward 2 the changes though!

I don't like to train cmb, I don't like being fucking pushed into it. I really hated that I was training to get ready for the damned bh pkri (even got more def), yet I felt like I had no choice. Being shoved into doing something that I don't want to do makes me not want to play rs.

I'll be seriously thinking about what to do. Don't fucking push me to train combat.

Looks great tbh. Cant really thing of anything else to add. Hope this goes well and if i see something to improve it will be in the suggestions/rant page, or here.

This is how its going to be..getting combat is not asking too much. Under the old rules of our clan you would never have been allowed in, but you were. The least you can do is your part in getting combat min.
You are no better than anyone else to be exempt from it.

Hmm, i do not really like this change. This is all i can say.
I'm no longer a fighter, i refuse have to come to BH trips because it is mandatory. It's not for losing rune or w/e. I have no problem with cash, im loaded. The joy of the fighting sector really lost me.

Uff, thinking of the future.

~Saad

Obviously the skill sector is going to take this the wrong way, but think about this.

As of right now, we're in a slump because we're not putting our time and effort into what builds strong clans. What makes a strong clan? Lots of members. What gets lots of members? Wilderness, straight up. People join powerhouse clans because they want to dominate.

Better fighting sector = more members = better turn outs to skill events.

Skill sector members really just need to relize that spending an hour (or less) in a miniwar is worthwhile. So please, spend that extra time you may have training a little combat, because in the long run, you'll get better skilling

the fighting sector NEEDS to get active in BH. Theres no way around it. Otherwise why have a fighting sector with no fighting events

Alot of you may not like it, but if conditions are going to get better, It'll require sacrifice from all of us.

Tbh, I think we should have alot more fighting events. Even though we cant BH, we can still fight other clans in CW

so? you can still have your team protect you from getting pjd while in there. since when is 5 on 1 needed to get a kill?

I'm very excited to see these changes go through. It will unite the clan and help us grow much more efficiently I hope.

It's not like the council sat down and said "lets make these changes at it will harm us". We thought "what would be the best way to improve WG right now or in the near future?". So we thought, brainstormed ideas, and came up with the best ones. I really think these plans are good - it will unify us. I really hope people don't read this and take it the wrong way, we are going to work on ways to make WG the best and most enjoyable it can be.

I'm not going to get into heavy detail here, but I really hope those who enjoy skilling and solely enjoy skilling don't take this the wrong way. We are not making fighting mandatory by any means. There will be just as many, if not more 'skilling and community' events (I say this assuming the Event Coords do their job ). Yes you will be eligible and yes some people will probably pressure you into going to some 'fighting' events, but you will never have to show up to them on a constant basis. An official war which is like once a month is all we ask, one fight.

The same can be directed to those who enjoy fighting only. You will be asked to go to some 'skilling' events and no you probably won't want to, but you should. The clan is trying to get united. Refusing to go to some events that aren't your favourite isn't the right approach, be willing and help out this new system.

A happy clan = good events = more members

Lets all work together in these next few weeks to bring WG up. It may not be easy and at some parts may not be fun, but we can do this. Let's get back to the clan we once were.

(the reason i put 'skilling/community/fighting' in 's is because I don't think they should be called that anymore. We are one clan, we have one type of events. All kinds. [if that made sense!])

This is possibly the greatest post I have ever seen in quite a while on these forums. VERY excited this.

This really wants to make me be RS active again. The thing that would push me over the edge is some kind of good multi PVP update..

Everything I like except becoming emeritus.

Ah well, no big, I can deal.

I liked being a mod, those were the best days. Maybe I can work for it... maybe.

WG is becoming RSD lol. Same cape color, same forum layout (more or less), same ranks..

As long as it's changing for the better (H)

Overall a good idea, seems like we're going into a rebuilding stage like that of March last year for those of you who remember it. Was a great time.

The Skilling Members will have the biggest effect of all here, being as how they'll need to train combat. But considering there was a mimal Combat Req for the skills sector to begin with that's already decently close to the new combined requirment it shouldn't be to hard.

A big suggestion here;

A Ventrilo Server, it's more easily accesible and user friendly than TS, capable of holding many more channels and people at a fewer cost.

And can include Passworded and ranked channels for Council Chat and such.

Here is just a lay out of what one might look like;




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Question:
Will event coordinators (old skills leaders), still be in charge of doing attendance, skill badges, competitons, etc.
Control of all skill forum posts (99 capes, etc)

So basically, things are going back to how they were like a year ago I believe.

Ok cool.

Nice changes, looking forward

Essentially yes, Georgio.
Wind, I understand completely that it's not fair to you. You joined the clan fair and square under the promise that you wouldn't be forced to train combat.
In my position I'm stuck in a difficult situation.

Option A: I get you to train combat... I'm destroying an essential component of your WG experience

Option B: I grant you exception... That makes me biased for not enforcing requirements.

I hope you understand the difficult position I'm in. If you can, I'd like to hear any suggestions you have. It's a lose-lose situation for me.

so do i have to train summoning to get 110 cmb p2p -.- or should i just like get 100 cmb f2p..

No, you need either 100 f2p OR 110 p2p, though both would be nice.

This is a good day for wg.
I see a few of my "ideal wg" points implemented, community rank being taken out + emeritus back.
This is some of the best news I've heard in a while.

Sorry to skillers, please train.
Wilderness > skills.
It brings a clan together more

my rank needs changing i'm active again lol

There's no exceptions to our requirements.
Please don't get angry at me for picking the lesser of two evils.

Yeah Robbie and Gary, you really aren't helping Tabs feel any better.

What I'm saying is, in our new system, all events are equal. If it's a raid or a firefest, they count as the same for attendance.

JaGeX have destroyed the wilderness. We need to rely on other things to keep us entertained. While it's important to get some good wins, skilling will be integrated much more into WG clan life.

Those are some really great changes. I hope that they do nothing other than changing WG for the best.

I'm surprised in fact that this topic came in the same day as Snowzak's topic, "Your Idead Clan". I really hope you did read everyone's suggestions..

I don't understand.. So those who hates fighting, will have to go now in order to keep up their event attendances? Doesn't sound good in my ear, especially not when my plans for the future concerns 3 things which is skill based.. I liked the idea of sectors, and I am sorry, but my attendance at fighting events will be very low (Which I've said from the beginning, I simply hate fighting) Sorry

Dallar

i like it (y)!!!

now train people, train!

Good update


and for the people below our req - there are many guides on how to train your combat fast, quick and gain money. Just look at the guides, or ask me.

As long as there is still a heap of skill events i can attend then i will be fine.

I think that it is a little harsh on the Skills Sector though, i think that the expression "Slow and Steady wins the race" may be appropriate here.

Only thing i dont want to see is bias towards either sector (Eg Either sector getting better times), or people forcing those who really dont want to go to skills/fighting events to go.

Woot, I can't wait for these changes to take place

Syg, you won't have to attend raids. Community and skilling events will be enough to meet the activity requirements. You won't be expected to attend raids, wars are different, but you don't lose anything anyway.
I'm excited

Well this is both good and bad (no, really?). You're unifying the clan and making the fighters happy. Yet, you will now see far more conflict between fighting and skilling members (as seen before the sectors were brought in). Skillers will recieve pressure to train and fighting-orientated members will neglect skilling.

Anyway, you know all that. I just hope the solution works.

Wind should be made an exception. She joined WG with the skills reqs, she has been in WG for a while. It's not fair that she might have to train CB. Low CB and ownage stats is hat makes here amaizing on RS. Her personality is what makes her an asset to the clan. Otherwise, yeh, can't wait for the new changes to come into play.

Question I need answer to:
Will event coordinators (old skills leaders), still be in charge of doing attendance, skill badges, competitons, etc.
Control of all skill forum posts (99 capes, etc)

Secondly:
Am i the only one to have noticed the vital flaw in this new plan of action?!?
The whole clan will have to decide what current COMBINED members have to decide every day.
I organise a skills event, and a raid leader organises something over it, which event do you think people will go to?
Ridiculous.

Bring back dg
problem solved

George makes a point. I've been through that very much as well.
A skill/community event is planned, and later on a fighting event is planned. everyone gets split up. Rather than the fighting event host cancel/reschedule.

Anyways, for me its not about training, i did my part a long time ago.
I remember how it was, you don't need to remind me. I was here a year ago, i used to attend like every raid/war.
But i just don't have the love for it anymore. I really don't want to have anything related with the fighting sector except the important wars.

~Saad

It's just training your combat up to 100... I don't why that is hard when you're both active and have a taste in skilling.

And about events overriding eachother, I don't think that will happen unless it's a war. If there is a fun event, a raid leader wouldn't make a raid during the same time as the fun event.

George, that wouldn't happen. Unless, leaders are lazy enough not to check on other events first before making their own OR in a rare incident where there is a war, like Snow said in some post some time back.


-Edited out: Misread lol-

Eugene, I am sure you are familiar with legal precedent of ex post facto?

In legal terms, it is means a person cannot be convicted of a crime if it was done before a law was enacted. The law was passed after the fact.

For example, in runescape the no advertising websites rule was not always around. It would be unfair then for Jagex to go through report logs and ban people who had advertised websites before the rule was made because the people advertising websites at the time had no idea that they were breaking a rule.

So how does ex post facto apply in this situation? Entering into a clan is like an agreement: the requirements are clearly stated by the clan, and if a player meets those requirement they can gain admittance to the clan. The clan has every right to change its requirements when it wants, however the clan is being unfair--and biased for that matter--if it retrospectively applies current requirement to members who joined when the requirements were lower. Granted, many clans do apply their requirement ex post facto, however this is not something that should happen in a clan that genuinely cares about its members.

As I stated earlier, contrary to popular belief, making older members train to meet current requirements is in fact biased. The reason that it is not not biased to raise requirement for new applicants is because they do not stand on an equal footing with current members. On the other hand most current members have earned their stay in the clan, and regardless of level have a right to be here so long as they do not break any rules that get them kicked out. Applying requirement ex post facto is of course biased because the only people it targets are low levels. No one else will get kicked out of the clan if they do not train. The only to make way to make this sort of thing unbiased is to require everyone to train or get kicked out, regardless of levels. Even if that was the case, it would still be biased because the leaders would not enforce it upon higher levels for fear of losing them. The bias against low level members is only tolerated when people care more about combat level than the value of the individual to the clan and community as a whole.

You can't call me a whiner--I am already well above the requirements--but I can call many of you hypocrites, because if you were given the option of train or be kicked, you would probably complain as well.

/tnuac waves a 'go karl' flag in support.

Once again, Karl makes a good point.

I don't see a problem with having exceptions. Let current WG members who are under the new combat reqs keep doing what they're doing. The reqs will only affect applicants, not people currently in the clan.

It saves up some frustration for both sides.

Even if the members who don't meet reqs are given two months to train, that's still two months where they're under reqs...

There's no magical way to make them meet the requirements, it just seems like a whole lot of work for someone like Tabs and the clan isn't really getting anything out of it as a whole.

Higher combat levels across the board = good

Higher combat levels amongst a couple members = nearly unnoticeable.

Plus those members who are under reqs are part of the skills sector now, how much do we expect them to raid, if at all?

O yeah, meant to ask this earlier, but:

Will i have 2 re apply for guardian with these new rules?

I did think about that Karl.
The problem is, within the community that's acceptable.
However to to outsider, it will be seen as a mark of inconsistency and perhaps bias. Furthermore, these exceptional people are prone to being hassled. They shouldn't be, but there are a few people who think it's alright to nag members to train combat.

Chip, your rank stays the same, it just becomes the combined.

Raid attendance is not forced on anyone Sygelig. You can choose to attend other events and not raids if you wish.

I hate the word "biased" and the words favortism.. whatever happened to the words or the phrase for the good of the clan.
WG was built a long time ago, people were naturally lower levels, it was based on friendship and we ALL trained our asses off to help each other.
What is wrong with training? We all do it or have done it. Why?
Because we love WG we do what we have to, to help each other.
That is the way it was in the "old" days when things were simple. Before everyone wanted equality and no bias.

How is it being biased? When people joined up there was no fine print promising that things or reqs would never change. We have to change to survive, that much is clear. So honestly stop whining about it and get with the program, grow up a little and think of the good of the clan for a change.
You would be surprised how rewarding that can be.

I would rather let them stay at sub-requirement levels than let them leave.
They mean a lot more to me than levels.

Having them train, however, is the optional that causes the least problems.
That's my ideal way out of the dilemma.

For the good of the clan. Some people are getting confused and switching that saying around.

We all had to train to meet the reqs of the clan that WE chose to join. Deal with it.

Regarding Fighting Events VS Skilling/Community Events.

How many mini wars are proposed on short times? How often is it that some one comes in lobby and asks for a 5v5, 10v10, w/e on short notice? It's those sort of events that are likely to push aside a planned event. Figure out what to do for those.

~

Also, I do not like training combat. Getting over 60 slayer was enough of a pain. Doesn't matter any more. I'm getting the reqs, SO BACK OFF. Don't try to get me to do bh, or cw. I may attend clan wars. Bh would be more of a waste for me since I really don't care about pvp, and really blow at it. It would cause me to lose so much more than I gain (if anything).

Wind, that's the idea.
You'll never HAVE to raid.

Well I'm glad these decisions were made even though I couldn't make the Council Meeting.

Now it's up to everybody from Council to Guardian to show special effort and motivation in the coming weeks.

wind, the only real reason your being hassled is so that it sets a good example to the other people and because your a leader of a section of wg....lead by example they always say. Just take small steps you don't have to get it at the same time. Take it slow and train skills more than cmb, skill after every level or so to keep from dieing of boredom. Just persevere, im sure you can do it.

Emeritus for me I guess. I knew I'd never leave WG, I'd be kicked out lol. I hope this all works out



Brandon

I'm glad this is happening, as I posted in Level 3 (Community Section) it will make the clan a whole, the council will focus on the whole clan instead of their individual sectors, hopefully this will help us a lot.

Good luck to the council + Lordy when it comes time to switch the forum ranks over.

BTW Steve, Sunday is the 2ND of March, not Monday.

I like them points Council must play runescape
and i think the sector merge is good idea and Nice sig stoke

I totally understand Winds point of view. Maybe an exp goal each week for us to get would be a compromise, so not left with a feeling of OMG I have to get all that killing or I'm out of here.

My current goal is to be lvl 100 f2p and 1600 total lvl I work on combat at least 30 minutes a day even though I really dislike it

About bh, I dont even know what it is really and I only went to the wild a few times before they ended pk just to see it . I dont think my personality is that of a true killer. I did enjoy going to clan wars though. It was less pressure for a non fighting person. I think it will be bad for the clan to force some of us into BH tbh. Once a month to BH would be like asking you guys to play barbies with your lil sisters for hours. Idk

I hope really the clan isn't going to a non skilling clan. Both combat and skills together make the better players in rs imo. Its not just what your lvls all are or how good you fight that make people want to join. You guys are friendly, funny, helpful, and so much more.

I have made one new best friend in rs from joining and if I have to leave I have that to thank wg for.

<33333

Ok, from now on I'll seriously sit on rscommunity forums all day and find new members for us. And by the way, check my cool signature that wind made me, mathes the forums <3

~Zeth

seems to work well all these changes