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By rachellove9 on 10/01/2009
I keep seeing things coming up about multi clanning. When I asked Elias about another skills clan he said I could be a friend/guest, but I could not appear on their ml cause that would be multi clanning. I respect that and agree cause we have plenty of skill events in WG for me to do.

However, WG has plenty of killing/war/raid or whatever too. Is there bias to the war/pk or whatever that they may join other clans and stuff? I just want to be sure I understand the rules. Could someone link me to any council/staff post that would clear this up for me.

Rules are rules. I'm not taking a side on who should join what other clan, I just want to be aware of the rules. I've got my own clan thing going that hasn't had events too.

By Bambaleo on 10/01/2009
there shouldn't be a different between pking and skilling clan. ASAP

By Quikdrawjoe on 10/01/2009
I don't people should join either, PC teams and possibly Boss Hunting clans being the exception.

By Ragingwealth on 10/01/2009
Well, I'm in a CWA team. I was told it was allowed by Elias and Dale was in that same team few months ago.

I think PK and Skill teams should be allowed as long as WG is prioritized

There is really no harm in it, those who like to War/PK or Skill can be in WG while still going to the maximum level in their interests.

By David on 10/01/2009
I don't think it should be allowed at all in both cases. It just causes to much trouble.

PK teams should be forbidden simply because they are PK teams, and WG is an ARPK clan. So that right that causes controversy with the loyalties of the member in question.

By Ragingwealth on 10/01/2009
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 10, 2009 06:18 pm)
PK teams should be forbidden simply because they are PK teams, and WG is an ARPK clan. So that right that causes controversy with the loyalties of the member in question.

Um, I don't believe it does.

We could make a thread where people post about WG members NH PK'ing them (Been done before I think).

And whoever is in the PK team should be able to PK, just not attack any innocent.

By rachellove9 on 10/01/2009
I really think council needs to clean this bias treatment up. Skilling and Warring are WG base functions. There is plenty offered by our raid leaders and event leaders. They take alot of time to plan events.

I agree with allowing pc or boss monster hunting clans or millionaire or cabbage clans. Those are all different and still WG would always come first.

As David pointed out it is a clash to our interests and the foundation of the clan to be on a pk clan. The name to me says your out killing people and not maybe worried about whether they are skulled or not.

No one has posted really what I want to see. I would still like a thread or some list that states pk clan is fine. Or that multi-clanning is fine. I have not seen that yet. So Mike imo your breaking the rules.

Changing rules for a select few people is just wrong. We are an honor clan and our reputation could be hurt by allowing WG members to be in PK clans or teams. Calling them team doesn't change what they are to me.


By Ragingwealth on 10/01/2009

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No one has posted really what I want to see.  I would still like a thread or some list that states pk clan is fine.  Or that multi-clanning is fine.  I have not seen that yet.  So Mike imo your breaking the rules. 


I've talked to both Mugger and Lordship about my clan wars team, they said it's fine, so I don't think I'm breaking any rules.

By rachellove9 on 11/01/2009
QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ January 10, 2009 05:36 pm)
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No one has posted really what I want to see.  I would still like a thread or some list that states pk clan is fine.  Or that multi-clanning is fine.  I have not seen that yet.  So Mike imo your breaking the rules. 


I've talked to both Mugger and Lordship about my clan wars team, they said it's fine, so I don't think I'm breaking any rules.

Glenn is also a warlord, I can't see him bending to this lvl of allowing pk. Is Muggers in a clan/team like this also.

I still have not seen one post or rule that states that a pk clan is acceptable for WG members. Maybe you just need to rethink what your doing in one and how it looks at representing WG. Mike your not the only one in this kind of clan. Someone else came to me in pm on irc and said he is also in a similar clan. He is ready to leave it though if the rules aren't clear.

You're not being singled out at all. I just know that I was told that we are not allowed to join clans that offer the same thing as we have here already.

Elias is under extreme pressure atm. This issue is not as important as the one he has right now. But I hope it gets addressed in the near future.

Our reputation could be tarnished by this kind of stuff.

By Back to Own on 11/01/2009
If its a pc/gwd/team/skill its fine



By David on 11/01/2009
QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ January 10, 2009 09:23 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 10, 2009 06:18 pm)
PK teams should be forbidden simply because they are PK teams, and WG is an ARPK clan. So that right that causes controversy with the loyalties of the member in question.

Um, I don't believe it does.

We could make a thread where people post about WG members NH PK'ing them (Been done before I think).

And whoever is in the PK team should be able to PK, just not attack any innocent.

Your solution is to make a forum where we call each other out? That's great!

"I saw David PK two dragon trainers!!!" That would totally maintain the calm of the clan.

So, I'm with my PK team that I'm ARPKing with. When they find someone other than a team I'd basically have to stand by, unless he was decked with something that was obviously PK gear like Karils with D-claws. Anything short of that could be interpreted as an "innocent."



By Kero2 on 11/01/2009
Like the others said tbh

pc / gwd / cw teams should be allowed but

skilling and pk teams nope.

the reason cw isnt considered is cuz cw u can leave wenever and it wont matter. But the other 2 u are needed greatly

By Ragingwealth on 11/01/2009
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 11, 2009 04:28 am)
QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ January 10, 2009 09:23 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 10, 2009 06:18 pm)
PK teams should be forbidden simply because they are PK teams, and WG is an ARPK clan. So that right that causes controversy with the loyalties of the member in question.

Um, I don't believe it does.

We could make a thread where people post about WG members NH PK'ing them (Been done before I think).

And whoever is in the PK team should be able to PK, just not attack any innocent.

Your solution is to make a forum where we call each other out? That's great!

"I saw David PK two dragon trainers!!!" That would totally maintain the calm of the clan.

So, I'm with my PK team that I'm ARPKing with. When they find someone other than a team I'd basically have to stand by, unless he was decked with something that was obviously PK gear like Karils with D-claws. Anything short of that could be interpreted as an "innocent."

Great eh? Didn't WG have a similar thread ages ago? It's just what I've been told. L

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I just know that I was told that we are not allowed to join clans that offer the same thing as we have here already.


I've been told otherwise though. Lol

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Our reputation could be tarnished by this kind of stuff.


I don't see how though, a lot of clans do it and they're completely fine.
If it's about ARPK'ing, then we should at least trust our members to act based on it, if a member breaks the ARPK'ing rules while on his team and evidence is provided then he can be disciplined perhaps?

Think of it this way (No I'm not talking about my situation here): WG offers PK'ing, skilling and community. Some people love WG so they wouldn't leave it, but at the same time they have interests in PK'ing/Skilling that they wish to improve on, so instead of leaving to join another clan that offers that interest, they remain in WG and get the max out of their interests when they join a non-clan team while prioritizing WG

A team offers one aspect of a clan, while a clan offers all aspects. Probably the best definition.

By Groedius on 11/01/2009
To be honest the clan mike is in is not a pk clan it is a CWA clan ....

By rachellove9 on 11/01/2009
IMO Same discipline that Type Z Z Z got. I just know how hard we work for our reputation and how quickly that can all go down the toilet. David raised some very good points here.

David we need you promoted. Your always on top of stuff.

I can see there is a clear division here of who agrees and who don't. But I don't think skills clans should not be allowed either. George is an angel to us and that would be just wrong to slap him like that. He practically runs a skill clan within WG.

By David on 11/01/2009
QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ January 11, 2009 10:11 am)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 11, 2009 04:28 am)
QUOTE (Ragingwealth @ January 10, 2009 09:23 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ January 10, 2009 06:18 pm)
PK teams should be forbidden simply because they are PK teams, and WG is an ARPK clan. So that right that causes controversy with the loyalties of the member in question.

Um, I don't believe it does.

We could make a thread where people post about WG members NH PK'ing them (Been done before I think).

And whoever is in the PK team should be able to PK, just not attack any innocent.

Your solution is to make a forum where we call each other out? That's great!

"I saw David PK two dragon trainers!!!" That would totally maintain the calm of the clan.

So, I'm with my PK team that I'm ARPKing with. When they find someone other than a team I'd basically have to stand by, unless he was decked with something that was obviously PK gear like Karils with D-claws. Anything short of that could be interpreted as an "innocent."

Great eh? Didn't WG have a similar thread ages ago? It's just what I've been told. L

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I just know that I was told that we are not allowed to join clans that offer the same thing as we have here already.


I've been told otherwise though. Lol

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Our reputation could be tarnished by this kind of stuff.


I don't see how though, a lot of clans do it and they're completely fine.
If it's about ARPK'ing, then we should at least trust our members to act based on it, if a member breaks the ARPK'ing rules while on his team and evidence is provided then he can be disciplined perhaps?

Think of it this way (No I'm not talking about my situation here): WG offers PK'ing, skilling and community. Some people love WG so they wouldn't leave it, but at the same time they have interests in PK'ing/Skilling that they wish to improve on, so instead of leaving to join another clan that offers that interest, they remain in WG and get the max out of their interests when they join a non-clan team while prioritizing WG

A team offers one aspect of a clan, while a clan offers all aspects. Probably the best definition.

It has been done before. I don't remember praising it back then either. Perhaps it's not around for a reason?

Honestly, I'm not 100% opposed to the idea. I just don't think we should be joining PK teams. For one, if someone on RSC found out, WG would be screwed. We'd have a PKer in the clan. Note that there is a difference in PKing at edge and PKing with a team to attack random people without any thought.

So people could find out fairly easily and then that part of WG would be tarnished. We've prided ourselves in not PKing at all really. I remember when I came back and saw Brandon (as Sadcon1) in a PK video and was totally surprised, because from my previous stint of activity I thought it wasn't allowed at all, even Edge PKing. Now I know the difference.

In any case, PC/GWD teams aren't event based. They're more like gatherings of people who just want an easy way to find a team. They don't have requirements (as far as I know) such as "You need to go to PC *number* times a week and have full Void armor and spend all points on EXP after getting full Void" or "You need to go to at least 5 GWD events a week." More like "Just stay active on the forums so we know you're still here (mainly for PC)."

CWA team, could be a little on the fence, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So long as they're like the "clans" I've described above.

I think if we're to allow this, we should have a forum where members post the "clan" or team they're looking to join. Post their rules and requirements to remain in the "clan" or team, and possibly have it on a case-by-case basis.

Obviously everyone would say "Yeah, I'll always put WG first," but why put them under the pressure? Why give them the temptation? I know people would probably prefer to go to Bandos and make a quick 8M instead of to a raid and loose a few rune sets. Why should we blindly give them that responsibility without making sure it's needed?

I say no to PK teams because that could easily be detrimental to WG's reputation as an ARPK clan. The person doesn't even have to participate in the ARPKing to bring shame to WG. Look at the threads of some crashed fights, maybe one member from a clan is there crashing and the entire clan gets blamed. Why take that risk with WG's already fragile reputation?

PC/GWD are probably safe because like I said, they're more like a community of PC/GWD lovers that don't want to look on the forums for a team who probably doesn't know what to do.

Skilling and CWA teams/clans are debatable. They could both be like the PC/GWD "clans," or they could actually have event requirements. These are the ones that I think should require inspection.

By Geoff_Bland on 11/01/2009
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I say no to PK teams because that could easily be detrimental to WG's reputation as an ARPK clan. The person doesn't even have to participate in the ARPKing to bring shame to WG.


If you actually ever came to raids you would think otherwise.
I cannot even remember the last time we saved a skiller from death by a pker yet I go to every raid I possibly can.
We rarely incorporate ARPK into our raids except for the most fundamental: Don't attack a non-skulled player. (Which usually differs depending on who's leading)

We do PK even if we do call it raiding.
Sorry to burst your bubble.


By David on 11/01/2009
QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ January 11, 2009 05:35 pm)
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I say no to PK teams because that could easily be detrimental to WG's reputation as an ARPK clan. The person doesn't even have to participate in the ARPKing to bring shame to WG.


If you actually ever came to raids you would think otherwise.
I cannot even remember the last time we saved a skiller from death by a pker yet I go to every raid I possibly can.
We rarely incorporate ARPK into our raids except for the most fundamental: Don't attack a non-skulled player. (Which usually differs depending on who's leading)

We do PK even if we do call it raiding.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

I know I should just ditch school entirely. It's soooo my fault that I have to live eight hours ahead of everyone and the only time I can actually attend is either 1AM on weekends in which case I do attend, or sometime during the week when I have school. Wars are ALWAYS at 5AM for me. Raids are whenever it's convenient for the Raid Leaders (no offense to you guys, not like you can lead well if you're half asleep). Pretty much all the events that I can go to are at the worst possible hours for me, so kindly fuck off.

I'd honestly love to see your activity be the same if you're 8 hours ahead of everyone else. Not ditch all school work to make sure you attend your precious raids, make every war, and all that stuff. Keep in mind I've also got sports to do. This TDM matched opts would be fun for me, but sadly I've got school, great time for GMTers though. What gets me, is some GMTers (not all so don't everyone take offense) complain so fucking much about having to stay up late when an event is 11PM for them, but bitch about Aussies not coming, when they have to get up, or stay up until 5AM - fuck you.

Also, I've been to more raids than you easily. I joined in '05 kid. Went to every raid because they were all at good times for me - was in the USA at the time.

Like I've said before, we don't go walking around for skillers to save. ARPKing is about killing PKers who pride themselves in killing random people, who aren't in the Wilderness to fight. Most cases they will kill skillers, in some cases they kill dragon trainers and other cases they kill people doing clues.

You obviously don't know what ARPKing is. We do incorporate it in raids. We go out and look for fights with clans, but then if we run into some no-namers, they're probably out there to kill any random person.

I've seen from experience, on the many raids you weren't at where we've seen a person in rune, in deep wilderness and not attacked them. We've also saved people at the rune rocks, chasing off pkers. So don't talk about the stuff you really don't know.

Also:

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=8849: 7PM GMT = 3AM my time, and that'd be on the 7th and I have school.

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=8805: Was on the 5th, if it was any time past 4PM GMT then it was midnight my time, and I had school the next day.

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=8838: Was on the 6th, had school the next day.

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=8966: 7AM on a Sunday, really?

By rachellove9 on 12/01/2009
I totally see your point David.

Joel I may not go to raids but I do skill in pvp worlds cause it is alot easier to get dragon hides and not have 10 people to fight for them. I have had people try to pk me. Even Elias has gone to pvp worlds for training and hides. You stating that some of our raiding leaders may be breaking our rules is just disturbing. Why don't you post those pictures or do a video for the clan that might prove interesting. . . We have had someone banned for pking. Your admitting this on this thread is a bit disturbing too.

By Dorcha3377 on 12/01/2009
We have had council demoted for breaking our rules in the past concerning pking.

By Starzhine on 17/02/2009
I hope this helps. It is our policy as stated on our web site.


http://www.wildernessguardians.com

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By Reticked on 17/02/2009
You can hang out with other clans - just don't join them.
Problem solved.

BTW starz, you're a little late hash.png

By Starzhine on 17/02/2009
Thanks, I hadn't noticed. dry.gif

By rachellove9 on 18/02/2009
Actually ty That was enlightening to me. I could be in a skills clan.

By Jayson on 18/02/2009
yea i think this is bullshit.

skills based clans should be allowed because they wont ruin wg's rep, as they dont pk, no one can really see it as multi clanning.

Pk clans however can be seen as multi clanning because other clans can search your rsn and see that your in wg and then wg is to blame.

and star copyed the rules of the site that even says the only exception is skill clans.



By Sithofwookie on 18/02/2009
Wait, so we can join a skilling clan as long as it doesn't pk and stuff?

By rachellove9 on 19/02/2009
QUOTE (Sithofwookie @ February 17, 2009 10:12 pm)
Wait, so we can join a skilling clan as long as it doesn't pk and stuff?

That is what it is saying wub.gif

By Sithofwookie on 19/02/2009
QUOTE (rachellove9 @ February 18, 2009 05:49 pm)
QUOTE (Sithofwookie @ February 17, 2009 10:12 pm)
Wait, so we can join a skilling clan as long as it doesn't pk and stuff?

That is what it is saying wub.gif

That's to bad because I couldn't find a skilling clan with active irc or forums =/

By Lee on 19/02/2009
Wait so I cant join RoT now there a team? FFS. I was getting excited.

So skill clans only?


By Sithofwookie on 19/02/2009
QUOTE (Leecable @ February 19, 2009 02:56 am)
Wait so I cant join RoT now there a team? FFS. I was getting excited.

So skill clans only?

Pretty much.

By Starzhine on 20/02/2009
YES YOU CAN JOIN A SKILLING CLAN!!!!!! But it can only be a skilling clan, nothing else!!!! ROFL

By rachellove9 on 23/02/2009
That Got Skills had a nice recruitment topic on RSC. tongue.gif



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