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By His Lordship on 09/03/2008
Well, there are a few things you learn as a leader when you've taken care of WG for four and a half years. Firstly, that even the most unlikely people you could think of are capable of doing great things. Second, that age is not a true sign of maturity. Third, you can really only count on yourself. Of course there are hundreds of things I've learned, but let's just start with those three.
Of the three I named, the third is what I want to speak about. In my four years of WG leadership, I have tried to rely on all sorts of people. My council of course. But eventually I would learn that no leader could last. I relied on trial members too, to bring fresh blood into the clan and help us expand. I'd rely on senior members and tertiary leaders to shape the newer members and provide entertainment. And I'd even try to rely on other leaders for advice. I'd rely on RSC too, for publicity.
But in the end you learn that people can't be counted on, which is why I've had to hold WG together for 4.5 years. Serving WG members for that long is a big ask. From our first footsteps into the wilderness wearing steel, through to the immortal DOA war, onto the KF raids, DDay, The Revolution, the IRL meeting... all important parts of history, I've been there, and even left the clan once before.
Now to my point. In serving WG for so long, I've had to take a lot of abuse. Nobody except Jenny can understand how overwhelming the primary leader seat is. You work hard beyond measure, and you take in a lot of abuse.
I've never told anyone this before, but I'll say it now. During our first anniversary, I spent 5 weeks collecting 10M (which was a big deal at the time), going around Runescape killing monsters for half keys and other mediocre drops. I'd spend about 8 hours a day doing this. And then during the anniversary, I didn't sleep for four nights... not even an hour, so that I could bring events to the members from every time zone. On the fifth day I became really sick and my immune system shut down which explains why the last 2 days of the anniversary came a week later... after I returned from hospital. This was me aged 16. Thank God it was school holidays. I exhausted myself way beyond the call of duty, and have done so several times, but this was the worst. I often slave for WG and WG never knows.
What was the result of this anniversary? Well, for a start, in my week of absence, I missed a very important leader meeting with the Council of Dragons, run at the time by Jorlejoker (or something very similar). He dropped the alliance. Then I get upset and so got into an anti-American discussion a day or two later. Noricle and Rick Hamm left WG in anger and formed The Revolution, an anti-WG clan. More than half of WG left and we were reduced from 100 members to 40, most of which went to TR.
Now another confession. I illegally inherited an account on the TR forums. The name, I will not say, but I used this account to stir controversary, and I contributed to TR's downfall, causing WG to thrive again when most of the ex-members returned. This has weighed on my conscience ever since.
I have done several things similar to this, which has weighed heavily on my conscience and the burden is of course getting heavier. The point is, I suffer greatly on behalf of WG. The clan website, the greatest amoung all clans even still while it is 6 months out of date... I would have spent at least 800 hours keeping it updated and secure.
I would have spent in excess now, of $800AU (Currently ~$700US) and I will have counselled over 300 clan members. One, I counselled out of suicide. Another, I counselled, but he later committed suicide when he was not in WG. I can't even remember his name because it was so long ago. Others I have brought to tears, while some have brought me to tears.
There was a streak of about 50 Sundays where I would get up at 7am for a raid, in WG's opening months. For over 20 wars, I would have risen at 6am or earlier, for one I vomited blood but refused to visit the hospital.
No other leader has given more to any clan. You can call it sad, but I did it because I know you guys are real people, and my hard work would pay off with your happiness.
Well, that's a short list of what I have done. What I bear. Day in, day out, I get insults from the clan community as well as outrageous demands from my own members. In six weeks, primary leadership reduced Jenny from a happy, down-to-earth leader... to an unhappy, introverted emeritus. Thank God she now feels better.
After four and a half years of bearing the hardest job, I snapped today. Why? Because I realised, as I was speaking to Snowzak... WG doesn't do anything for me in return. Here I am, working like they couldn't imagine... slaving in ways that they will not understand. And yet, they keep demanding more and don't give me anything in return.
Yes, thank you for your compliments. I'm happy to receive them, but they are just sweet talk. But in terms of respect, I have little. You may admire what I've done but at the end of the day... how many people gave me photos to help me work on the clan website when I asked? How many people are putting screenshots in their recaps like I asked? How many of the council members completed their entire to-do list when I went to Europe? When I told WG to recruit on RSC, who apart from two or three members gave it a shot? When I made the topic "All Must Have Teamspeak", why do I not see every member registered?
For 4.5 years, I kept telling myself "One day they will respect you. Just show them you are a worthy leader." I said "Any day, my slavery will be returned as respect for my authority". Today I woke up. I'm not a leader. My commands are not being listened to. They are general guidelines WG may or may not choose to follow. When I broke down in a serious bout of anger, the members active in the IRC chose to ignore me and go to a miniwar rather than listen to what I had to say. Then I was argued at viciously by my own members on my topic and in PMs.
What sort of loser am I to slave so hard for WG and be abused so badly? This isn't a single time. I've given WG many, many chances saying "No, it won't happen. I'll express myself and let them know how I feel, and they'll outgrow it". I have vented my anger several times. A famous one is the TS rant. But people aren't getting the message. In 4.5 years of leadership, things haven't changed since day one.
I have been spoken to nicely by most, telling me how great I am... but when it comes to obedience and helping in the work I assign, WG is slow to help. "Lordy will fix it". In my six week absence, you were relying on me to return and bring us back to success. And I fell right into it I tried, and in the process, got abused viciously. I have tried to share the work but even when people promise to help, they rarely do. It sometimes comes to a point whereby I shed a tear when someone does a favour for me.
Today my tolerance for abuse has peaked. I have calmed down significantly. I was initially going to destroy the clan forums and stick something rude on the clan website, but I have calmed my rage. I was, tomorrow, going to announce my departure, showing great anger and humiliating WG however I could. No, that's not how I'm going to go out. I'm more calm now. I choose to give my two weeks notice and obtain ex-member rank. Maybe emeritus if I feel I can tolerate WG.
I don't want anyone to try to change my mind. You know how I am. Not only am I stubborn, but I know a few things...
1. You may say "Don't throw away 4.5 years. It will be for nothing". To which I respond, in those 4.5 years I have suffered... greatly. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. You will never comprehend the breadth of what I've done. I'm the sort of person that says "I will give another chance if I can believe people will change". For 4.5 years I convinced myself WG would outgrow it. No longer. No matter what you guys may tell me... I know I am going to get abused if I stay. I no longer have that amount of tolerance.
2. You may say "Give us another chance to improve. We know what you are feeling now, we can get better". This is one I have heard many times. I get promises from members to commit, and work harder. They say this to lure me back, and then once I'm back, they will forgetr their promise and I become their slave again.
3. You may say "Take a break". I just took a six week break. They aren't helping. Breaks just mean I have more work waiting for me when I return because I fall behind
4. You may get angry and leave because you have just lost faith in WG. Just proves my point. Instead of accepting my suffering, you consider me to be selfish and undedicated.
5. You may apologise. Like I said. WG has a tactic of trying to bring me back with sweet words. But now I have no more tolerance. I have seen this scenario before. Nothing changes. I can only rely on myself.
6. You may say "You won't quit. You'll be back". To which I say... I've been without WG for 6 weeks. I think I can manage a life without this clan quite comfortably
Abmanju will become your primary leader in two weeks time. I'm not going to consider WG's future too much. My term in power ends in two weeks. I'll make my personal goodbyes in due time. I would say it's been a pleasure, but I don't want to finish this post with a lie.
Of the three I named, the third is what I want to speak about. In my four years of WG leadership, I have tried to rely on all sorts of people. My council of course. But eventually I would learn that no leader could last. I relied on trial members too, to bring fresh blood into the clan and help us expand. I'd rely on senior members and tertiary leaders to shape the newer members and provide entertainment. And I'd even try to rely on other leaders for advice. I'd rely on RSC too, for publicity.
But in the end you learn that people can't be counted on, which is why I've had to hold WG together for 4.5 years. Serving WG members for that long is a big ask. From our first footsteps into the wilderness wearing steel, through to the immortal DOA war, onto the KF raids, DDay, The Revolution, the IRL meeting... all important parts of history, I've been there, and even left the clan once before.
Now to my point. In serving WG for so long, I've had to take a lot of abuse. Nobody except Jenny can understand how overwhelming the primary leader seat is. You work hard beyond measure, and you take in a lot of abuse.
I've never told anyone this before, but I'll say it now. During our first anniversary, I spent 5 weeks collecting 10M (which was a big deal at the time), going around Runescape killing monsters for half keys and other mediocre drops. I'd spend about 8 hours a day doing this. And then during the anniversary, I didn't sleep for four nights... not even an hour, so that I could bring events to the members from every time zone. On the fifth day I became really sick and my immune system shut down which explains why the last 2 days of the anniversary came a week later... after I returned from hospital. This was me aged 16. Thank God it was school holidays. I exhausted myself way beyond the call of duty, and have done so several times, but this was the worst. I often slave for WG and WG never knows.
What was the result of this anniversary? Well, for a start, in my week of absence, I missed a very important leader meeting with the Council of Dragons, run at the time by Jorlejoker (or something very similar). He dropped the alliance. Then I get upset and so got into an anti-American discussion a day or two later. Noricle and Rick Hamm left WG in anger and formed The Revolution, an anti-WG clan. More than half of WG left and we were reduced from 100 members to 40, most of which went to TR.
Now another confession. I illegally inherited an account on the TR forums. The name, I will not say, but I used this account to stir controversary, and I contributed to TR's downfall, causing WG to thrive again when most of the ex-members returned. This has weighed on my conscience ever since.
I have done several things similar to this, which has weighed heavily on my conscience and the burden is of course getting heavier. The point is, I suffer greatly on behalf of WG. The clan website, the greatest amoung all clans even still while it is 6 months out of date... I would have spent at least 800 hours keeping it updated and secure.
I would have spent in excess now, of $800AU (Currently ~$700US) and I will have counselled over 300 clan members. One, I counselled out of suicide. Another, I counselled, but he later committed suicide when he was not in WG. I can't even remember his name because it was so long ago. Others I have brought to tears, while some have brought me to tears.
There was a streak of about 50 Sundays where I would get up at 7am for a raid, in WG's opening months. For over 20 wars, I would have risen at 6am or earlier, for one I vomited blood but refused to visit the hospital.
No other leader has given more to any clan. You can call it sad, but I did it because I know you guys are real people, and my hard work would pay off with your happiness.
Well, that's a short list of what I have done. What I bear. Day in, day out, I get insults from the clan community as well as outrageous demands from my own members. In six weeks, primary leadership reduced Jenny from a happy, down-to-earth leader... to an unhappy, introverted emeritus. Thank God she now feels better.
After four and a half years of bearing the hardest job, I snapped today. Why? Because I realised, as I was speaking to Snowzak... WG doesn't do anything for me in return. Here I am, working like they couldn't imagine... slaving in ways that they will not understand. And yet, they keep demanding more and don't give me anything in return.
Yes, thank you for your compliments. I'm happy to receive them, but they are just sweet talk. But in terms of respect, I have little. You may admire what I've done but at the end of the day... how many people gave me photos to help me work on the clan website when I asked? How many people are putting screenshots in their recaps like I asked? How many of the council members completed their entire to-do list when I went to Europe? When I told WG to recruit on RSC, who apart from two or three members gave it a shot? When I made the topic "All Must Have Teamspeak", why do I not see every member registered?
For 4.5 years, I kept telling myself "One day they will respect you. Just show them you are a worthy leader." I said "Any day, my slavery will be returned as respect for my authority". Today I woke up. I'm not a leader. My commands are not being listened to. They are general guidelines WG may or may not choose to follow. When I broke down in a serious bout of anger, the members active in the IRC chose to ignore me and go to a miniwar rather than listen to what I had to say. Then I was argued at viciously by my own members on my topic and in PMs.
What sort of loser am I to slave so hard for WG and be abused so badly? This isn't a single time. I've given WG many, many chances saying "No, it won't happen. I'll express myself and let them know how I feel, and they'll outgrow it". I have vented my anger several times. A famous one is the TS rant. But people aren't getting the message. In 4.5 years of leadership, things haven't changed since day one.
I have been spoken to nicely by most, telling me how great I am... but when it comes to obedience and helping in the work I assign, WG is slow to help. "Lordy will fix it". In my six week absence, you were relying on me to return and bring us back to success. And I fell right into it I tried, and in the process, got abused viciously. I have tried to share the work but even when people promise to help, they rarely do. It sometimes comes to a point whereby I shed a tear when someone does a favour for me.
Today my tolerance for abuse has peaked. I have calmed down significantly. I was initially going to destroy the clan forums and stick something rude on the clan website, but I have calmed my rage. I was, tomorrow, going to announce my departure, showing great anger and humiliating WG however I could. No, that's not how I'm going to go out. I'm more calm now. I choose to give my two weeks notice and obtain ex-member rank. Maybe emeritus if I feel I can tolerate WG.
I don't want anyone to try to change my mind. You know how I am. Not only am I stubborn, but I know a few things...
1. You may say "Don't throw away 4.5 years. It will be for nothing". To which I respond, in those 4.5 years I have suffered... greatly. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. You will never comprehend the breadth of what I've done. I'm the sort of person that says "I will give another chance if I can believe people will change". For 4.5 years I convinced myself WG would outgrow it. No longer. No matter what you guys may tell me... I know I am going to get abused if I stay. I no longer have that amount of tolerance.
2. You may say "Give us another chance to improve. We know what you are feeling now, we can get better". This is one I have heard many times. I get promises from members to commit, and work harder. They say this to lure me back, and then once I'm back, they will forgetr their promise and I become their slave again.
3. You may say "Take a break". I just took a six week break. They aren't helping. Breaks just mean I have more work waiting for me when I return because I fall behind
4. You may get angry and leave because you have just lost faith in WG. Just proves my point. Instead of accepting my suffering, you consider me to be selfish and undedicated.
5. You may apologise. Like I said. WG has a tactic of trying to bring me back with sweet words. But now I have no more tolerance. I have seen this scenario before. Nothing changes. I can only rely on myself.
6. You may say "You won't quit. You'll be back". To which I say... I've been without WG for 6 weeks. I think I can manage a life without this clan quite comfortably
Abmanju will become your primary leader in two weeks time. I'm not going to consider WG's future too much. My term in power ends in two weeks. I'll make my personal goodbyes in due time. I would say it's been a pleasure, but I don't want to finish this post with a lie.
By Abmanju on 09/03/2008
I've ready every word. Now I understand.
That Hello & Goodbye post certainly awoke my eyes to how you do things and how you suffer because of Wg. I knew you already suffer from Wg being a Primary Leader, every Leader of a clan does. I agree when Jenny was Primary Leader, Wg broke her down, which was very harsh. I'm sorry I didn't fulfil my job when you were away.
I don't know what else to say, those last points, they are all true, and won't work in this post.
You've brought happiness to many people. That is priceless, I'll never be as a good leader as you, Eugene.
I'm really thankful that you are staying for at least two weeks, VERY thankful.
I do hope your Real Life goes really well, I'm sure it will, It's very important, I think you've suffered for 4.5 years long enough.
Stay in touch, I have your Msn.
I'm almost speechless, there's no point trying to convince you, I already tried.
~Abs
That Hello & Goodbye post certainly awoke my eyes to how you do things and how you suffer because of Wg. I knew you already suffer from Wg being a Primary Leader, every Leader of a clan does. I agree when Jenny was Primary Leader, Wg broke her down, which was very harsh. I'm sorry I didn't fulfil my job when you were away.
I don't know what else to say, those last points, they are all true, and won't work in this post.
You've brought happiness to many people. That is priceless, I'll never be as a good leader as you, Eugene.
I'm really thankful that you are staying for at least two weeks, VERY thankful.
I do hope your Real Life goes really well, I'm sure it will, It's very important, I think you've suffered for 4.5 years long enough.
Stay in touch, I have your Msn.
I'm almost speechless, there's no point trying to convince you, I already tried.
~Abs
By Dalejamesw on 09/03/2008
**** there goes the best clan leader in the clan world.
I have the most respect for you Eugene you always helped and listened to me yet i hardley ever give you the same respect back. I am going to say it because it is worth a shot but Please Please think about it. I dont think WG will feel the same without you at its Helm. Hopefully Abs will do a great job because he learned from the Best.
If i knew any of this before this topic i would of done everything i could to take some of that busy runescape life from you and im sure the rest of the clan would aswell. Everyone always come to you because you we're so great. If i ever needed someone for help i knew you would be willing to help me. Please Eugene re-consider.
I have the most respect for you Eugene you always helped and listened to me yet i hardley ever give you the same respect back. I am going to say it because it is worth a shot but Please Please think about it. I dont think WG will feel the same without you at its Helm. Hopefully Abs will do a great job because he learned from the Best.
If i knew any of this before this topic i would of done everything i could to take some of that busy runescape life from you and im sure the rest of the clan would aswell. Everyone always come to you because you we're so great. If i ever needed someone for help i knew you would be willing to help me. Please Eugene re-consider.
By George on 09/03/2008
I quite honestly don't know what to say...
I guess all I can do is thank you with all my heart on the work you have done over the years.
We had many successes and they are all down to your good leadership Eugene.
Even if you don't want to admit it, you did an awesome job with WG.
No leader can carry on leading a clan for years and I think it's incredible that you stayed through thick and thin to help WG for 4.5 years.
There's nothing more I can say that will describe my feelings towards you...
I will always respect you Gene.
Take care in the future and stay safe
~George
I guess all I can do is thank you with all my heart on the work you have done over the years.
We had many successes and they are all down to your good leadership Eugene.
Even if you don't want to admit it, you did an awesome job with WG.
No leader can carry on leading a clan for years and I think it's incredible that you stayed through thick and thin to help WG for 4.5 years.
There's nothing more I can say that will describe my feelings towards you...
I will always respect you Gene.
Take care in the future and stay safe
~George
By His Lordship on 09/03/2008
| QUOTE (Dalejamesw @ March 09, 2008 12:38 pm) |
| If i knew any of this before this topic i would of done everything i could to take some of that busy runescape life from you and im sure the rest of the clan would aswell. Everyone always come to you because you we're so great. If i ever needed someone for help i knew you would be willing to help me. Please Eugene re-consider. |
2. You may say "Give us another chance to improve. We know what you are feeling now, we can get better". This is one I have heard many times. I get promises from members to commit, and work harder. They say this to lure me back, and then once I'm back, they will forgetr their promise and I become their slave again.
By Groedius on 09/03/2008
Well what do i say
Im going to miss you soo much eugene
You have done soo much for us and had an impact on alot of us even if you do not feel that way
Its been a honor to be in wildguard with you
It was a honor to shake your hand
you was a great leader
you will be missed
Best of luck to you Eugene your a great guy and you will go far in life
Im going to miss you soo much eugene
You have done soo much for us and had an impact on alot of us even if you do not feel that way
Its been a honor to be in wildguard with you
It was a honor to shake your hand
you was a great leader
you will be missed
Best of luck to you Eugene your a great guy and you will go far in life
By Pyroclastic0 on 09/03/2008
good luck spending more time getting laid.
You have done so much for the clan i have seen and most probably overlooked in the 2 years i've been here and most definatly going to miss all the ts episodes.
wish you all the best with your composing and hope to see you visit some times
You have done so much for the clan i have seen and most probably overlooked in the 2 years i've been here and most definatly going to miss all the ts episodes.
wish you all the best with your composing and hope to see you visit some times
By Jaxx456 on 09/03/2008
keep in touch mate? still come back to london sometime and meet me steve snowy and others again?
If you have another msn add me on it (y)
Good luck with your future mate
Sadly i can see WG dieing now, WG Till The End.
If you have another msn add me on it (y)
Good luck with your future mate
Sadly i can see WG dieing now, WG Till The End.
By Karel Dude on 09/03/2008
Lordy, its honestly been a great time having you as leader. Good luck for the future.
Nothing else to say.
Nothing else to say.
By Stokenut on 09/03/2008
I saw this coming, but not so soon.
It's quite shocking really.
I really don't know what to say, I cannot picture WG without you.
It's quite shocking really.
I really don't know what to say, I cannot picture WG without you.
By Snowzak on 09/03/2008
(13:22:10) <@Lordy|AFK> yeah... and why did i choose the warlord to be french. we all know the french lose every war.
You know, when I got elected, I was waiting for the first person to make that comment, and I'm glad you made it.
I could sweet word you concerning your leadership, but I know many will do that for me.
I'll post what I'll mostly remember of you Eugene, your sense of humor - always on IRC I smile when I see your snide comments, sarcasm, jokes. I've even laughed in front of my computer many times just by chatting on the WG IRC. And those are the times of my clan life that I choose to remember.
Thanks.
You know, when I got elected, I was waiting for the first person to make that comment, and I'm glad you made it.
I could sweet word you concerning your leadership, but I know many will do that for me.
I'll post what I'll mostly remember of you Eugene, your sense of humor - always on IRC I smile when I see your snide comments, sarcasm, jokes. I've even laughed in front of my computer many times just by chatting on the WG IRC. And those are the times of my clan life that I choose to remember.
Thanks.
By Tnuac on 09/03/2008
Well i can't deny that im shocked. Not just at the hard-to-reach tipping point to lead you to this, but at the appauling response from some of the members.
I can honestly say, hands on the table, you are the hardest working clan leader i've ever known. Hell, not just rs, i'd be surprised if there was a leader to top you in any game.
I've always admired the way you've kept heading even when the opposition is abundant. I honestly don't know how you've coped; it literally takes a super human to stay through it all and keep committing.
But as you well know, one of the most annoying things about being a leader is the lack of appreciation the members have. Unlike a boss at work, you're not getting paid, and you're working much harder than the members who are basically just in for the ride. If you put on a brave face, people think that leading is easy, so that when a leader shows a weakness, they immediately jump on it. You had every right to rant like you did, especially when people don't seem to listen.
I've always tried to help out do things here and there. When I was a member i asked to help out with the pictures and hall of fame, but you didnt reply =p There's a lot of work to be done to keep a clan like this up, and it has to come from various people.
I honestly don't know what to say because I don't know how exactly you're feeling atm. This is your clan, and so its entirely your choice what happens in the future. You have a busy life with little spare time, yet still done a great job in balancing wg with it (althought, im sure rl has suffered as a result). I would suggest maybe stepping down to a quieter spot where you can still be within the WG community yet not have the continuous stresses that come with leadership - instead, share them out to various people so they can get a feel for it. It may seem like peoople are deliberately avoiding the work but they just don't have the right degree of devotion, or simply forget about it until the last minute. There's many great people here and even if you don't actively lead, it'll still be good to have them round, and you have no idea how motivating it is to have you around, not just as a leader.
With you gone, this clan won't survive as it did. It'll still keep going, but without a strong and influential figure at the top, it'll likely grind to a hault over a period of time with less and less of the old atmosphere. If you stick around on the sidelines, the clan does have a chance of survive. And obviously, if you feel like taking the leading position again, the clan can only grow stronger. It is fairly sad that people only realise a leader's troubles when the leader shows extreme emotion but hey, that's a flaw in human nature. People tend to only see what's infront of them. People will definitely be aware now, its just question of whether you're willing to keep it going.
And of course, if you chose to go your seperate ways, I wish you a great future. I'm sure you'll be a huge success a few years down the line, in many aspects of life. Which is why it'll be a shame to lose touch with you.
I can honestly say, hands on the table, you are the hardest working clan leader i've ever known. Hell, not just rs, i'd be surprised if there was a leader to top you in any game.
I've always admired the way you've kept heading even when the opposition is abundant. I honestly don't know how you've coped; it literally takes a super human to stay through it all and keep committing.
But as you well know, one of the most annoying things about being a leader is the lack of appreciation the members have. Unlike a boss at work, you're not getting paid, and you're working much harder than the members who are basically just in for the ride. If you put on a brave face, people think that leading is easy, so that when a leader shows a weakness, they immediately jump on it. You had every right to rant like you did, especially when people don't seem to listen.
I've always tried to help out do things here and there. When I was a member i asked to help out with the pictures and hall of fame, but you didnt reply =p There's a lot of work to be done to keep a clan like this up, and it has to come from various people.
I honestly don't know what to say because I don't know how exactly you're feeling atm. This is your clan, and so its entirely your choice what happens in the future. You have a busy life with little spare time, yet still done a great job in balancing wg with it (althought, im sure rl has suffered as a result). I would suggest maybe stepping down to a quieter spot where you can still be within the WG community yet not have the continuous stresses that come with leadership - instead, share them out to various people so they can get a feel for it. It may seem like peoople are deliberately avoiding the work but they just don't have the right degree of devotion, or simply forget about it until the last minute. There's many great people here and even if you don't actively lead, it'll still be good to have them round, and you have no idea how motivating it is to have you around, not just as a leader.
With you gone, this clan won't survive as it did. It'll still keep going, but without a strong and influential figure at the top, it'll likely grind to a hault over a period of time with less and less of the old atmosphere. If you stick around on the sidelines, the clan does have a chance of survive. And obviously, if you feel like taking the leading position again, the clan can only grow stronger. It is fairly sad that people only realise a leader's troubles when the leader shows extreme emotion but hey, that's a flaw in human nature. People tend to only see what's infront of them. People will definitely be aware now, its just question of whether you're willing to keep it going.
And of course, if you chose to go your seperate ways, I wish you a great future. I'm sure you'll be a huge success a few years down the line, in many aspects of life. Which is why it'll be a shame to lose touch with you.
By Robertw56 on 09/03/2008
Wow I didn't see this coming.....
You were a great leader, best of luck in the future, I'm sure Abs will lead this clan as you did.
You were a great leader, best of luck in the future, I'm sure Abs will lead this clan as you did.
By DZ on 09/03/2008
I've always had the utmost respect for you. Sometimes I wouldn't agree at all with some of the things you did, but I still believed in you.
This post was a pretty big eye opener, I don't think anyone REALLY realized how much you've gone through, how much you've done, and how much you've suffered for this clan.
You and your clan was the first big clan I've ever joined. WG was my first entrance into the clan world. Almost everything I am today was because I decided to join WG. I can't thank you enough for making WG what it was and making me who I am.
I wish you the absolute best in life and your future. You are a great person and I hope you go out and enjoy life to the fullest.
It was an honour to be led under your leadership.
This post was a pretty big eye opener, I don't think anyone REALLY realized how much you've gone through, how much you've done, and how much you've suffered for this clan.
You and your clan was the first big clan I've ever joined. WG was my first entrance into the clan world. Almost everything I am today was because I decided to join WG. I can't thank you enough for making WG what it was and making me who I am.
I wish you the absolute best in life and your future. You are a great person and I hope you go out and enjoy life to the fullest.
It was an honour to be led under your leadership.
By Zlatan83 on 09/03/2008
Since the day I joined this clan I have always looked up to you , I may not shown it or talked to you about it much but I really have, and I still do and will for ever.
I hope you return some day , good luck in the future - Feels weird to saying this to someone who has been here , who is the founder of a clan that leaves.
I hope you return some day , good luck in the future - Feels weird to saying this to someone who has been here , who is the founder of a clan that leaves.
By Renoldojr10 on 09/03/2008
By David on 09/03/2008
Read it all, and I'm sad. Despite that, I'm happy.
I could sense your anger, frustration and distaste with your treatment. Lordy, I've known you for a while now, back in the day. I always respected you. I enjoyed talking to you. I'm not going to ask you to stay, because truly, based on all you've said, I want you to leave. No man should have to put himself through that treatment. You've done more than any one of us could ever ask for, and for that I'm grateful. I value your time, your effort, your blood, sweat and tears. I regret having left for those two years, maybe I could have done something, anything, but I wasn't there to even try. For that I am sorry.
I have but one last statement remark; Enjoy what you have ahead of you, and do not let these years hold you back or hinder you from doing what you want. You did what you could, and even more than that and quite honestly had some people just spit in your face. You deserve this more than any one of us, and given that you should just leave, but you, even when you're angry are humane and follow the regulations.
Good-bye.
~ The Colonel
~ David
~ 1colonel1
I could sense your anger, frustration and distaste with your treatment. Lordy, I've known you for a while now, back in the day. I always respected you. I enjoyed talking to you. I'm not going to ask you to stay, because truly, based on all you've said, I want you to leave. No man should have to put himself through that treatment. You've done more than any one of us could ever ask for, and for that I'm grateful. I value your time, your effort, your blood, sweat and tears. I regret having left for those two years, maybe I could have done something, anything, but I wasn't there to even try. For that I am sorry.
I have but one last statement remark; Enjoy what you have ahead of you, and do not let these years hold you back or hinder you from doing what you want. You did what you could, and even more than that and quite honestly had some people just spit in your face. You deserve this more than any one of us, and given that you should just leave, but you, even when you're angry are humane and follow the regulations.
Good-bye.
~ The Colonel
~ David
~ 1colonel1
By Valdremia on 09/03/2008
I’m not sure what to say. In some ways I wish I had known the earlier days more from what you have related. Certainly there will be times that aren’t friendly but I remembered the last anniversary in 2007, after that meeting you’ve held in the RS house with what happened, I didn’t say this, but I was really very saddened at the thought of you leaving. I could feel the heartbreaking disappointment you felt. And now, I am saddened with somehow in a deeper sense of solitude.
To a large degree I do understand and can relate to most of the things you have pointed out. Going through asking for help or teamwork in getting things done can surprisingly reap a lot of disappointments. And when even one is willing to lift a helping hand when asked bring about a great sense of gratefulness, or even to bother fulfilling a promise once made. The upside of it is being able to learn who can be counted on and who can’t, knowing who sweet talk their way, often never get things done to those who let actions speak louder than words. It can also go both ways.
Bending often to the brink at the expense of various degree of health, whether mental or emotional will take its toll eventually. And the amount of effort unfortunately doesn’t mean spared of being judged from time to time. Then we do have to take a step back and recognize, the reality that there can almost never be that balance. Then there’s no point in hoping for it. Probably, in citing history off my head, the only person whom I see as a great example is that of Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, leaving a legacy for many as an example. He took a lifetime to give, heartbroken many times, kept moving on in his belief because he care, overworked and pressures caused him liver cancer, bent his back even till on his deathbed. Once, he had to heartbreakingly send one of his most honest followers turned greedy into the gallows.
Leaders are meant to often face heartbreaking incidents or immense pressures that no one can understand unless those others experienced it themselves. That is why, very often leaders can feel alone but that’s how it is being the one ahead, unless that leader is crazy and heartless. It’s never easy.
From just those things that you have related, those dedications are immeasurable. I am very sure there are those who does respect you deeply and remain fervently loyal to you as a person and friend regardless, even if there are times of disagreements. And even if they weren’t, they’d be. And you did offer a lot of patience to embrace or listen to so many comments despite the immense amount of time and dedication required. And I thank you for those times and opportunities you’ve given, including myself and all others, everything that I had witnessed throughout my stay to-date.
It’s never easy to leave something that you care about - for both good or bad side of things. It might be more deserving to consider a founder position. But its your choice of course, if this is what you want and you feel that it is a comfortable choice in the end, then go with it.
While some may see this as preposterous but I won’t want to say things at the expense of your welfare as an individual, even if it means at the expense of the clan. You’ve earned a lot of those deserving choices. It boils down to what will make you happy in the end, that you feel comfortable to know it is a right decision. Whether you decide the take the reins again someday or leaving it for good, or maybe moderation, a bit of both might even be a choice, I don’t know, whichever makes you happier at the end of the day.
To a large degree I do understand and can relate to most of the things you have pointed out. Going through asking for help or teamwork in getting things done can surprisingly reap a lot of disappointments. And when even one is willing to lift a helping hand when asked bring about a great sense of gratefulness, or even to bother fulfilling a promise once made. The upside of it is being able to learn who can be counted on and who can’t, knowing who sweet talk their way, often never get things done to those who let actions speak louder than words. It can also go both ways.
Bending often to the brink at the expense of various degree of health, whether mental or emotional will take its toll eventually. And the amount of effort unfortunately doesn’t mean spared of being judged from time to time. Then we do have to take a step back and recognize, the reality that there can almost never be that balance. Then there’s no point in hoping for it. Probably, in citing history off my head, the only person whom I see as a great example is that of Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, leaving a legacy for many as an example. He took a lifetime to give, heartbroken many times, kept moving on in his belief because he care, overworked and pressures caused him liver cancer, bent his back even till on his deathbed. Once, he had to heartbreakingly send one of his most honest followers turned greedy into the gallows.
Leaders are meant to often face heartbreaking incidents or immense pressures that no one can understand unless those others experienced it themselves. That is why, very often leaders can feel alone but that’s how it is being the one ahead, unless that leader is crazy and heartless. It’s never easy.
From just those things that you have related, those dedications are immeasurable. I am very sure there are those who does respect you deeply and remain fervently loyal to you as a person and friend regardless, even if there are times of disagreements. And even if they weren’t, they’d be. And you did offer a lot of patience to embrace or listen to so many comments despite the immense amount of time and dedication required. And I thank you for those times and opportunities you’ve given, including myself and all others, everything that I had witnessed throughout my stay to-date.
It’s never easy to leave something that you care about - for both good or bad side of things. It might be more deserving to consider a founder position. But its your choice of course, if this is what you want and you feel that it is a comfortable choice in the end, then go with it.
While some may see this as preposterous but I won’t want to say things at the expense of your welfare as an individual, even if it means at the expense of the clan. You’ve earned a lot of those deserving choices. It boils down to what will make you happy in the end, that you feel comfortable to know it is a right decision. Whether you decide the take the reins again someday or leaving it for good, or maybe moderation, a bit of both might even be a choice, I don’t know, whichever makes you happier at the end of the day.
By Back to Own on 09/03/2008
Nearly one year ago, I joined my first large clan. I still remember the first words that you spoke to mel, and how friendly everyone was. I remember the first war that we won, and the first war (and only btw 
) war that I survived. I remember our epic charge in my first p2p, the war vs 3v0. We've endured lots of disappointments and shared great victories.
I know that I can only imagine the pain and stress you went through to try to help WG. You've done a great job as a leader, and its because of you that it still exists today. Its because of you that we have a thriving community, and people that help WG stay alive. WG has been a place for all of us to mature and build character. It's a place to gain friendship, and go beyond a "game."
I want you to know how much we value your efforts, even though we may not show it. At some point, everyone's time will come. WG will always be part of us, and I know that 20 years from now people will remember WG for what it is.
You've endured more pain and gone beyond more then any other leader should have. I understand. Go and enjoy your life. Just know the impact you've had on all of us and how great of a community you've built. WG is and will always be in your debt, and there can only be so many ways we can show it.
Good lucky lordy, I know you'll do great.
) war that I survived. I remember our epic charge in my first p2p, the war vs 3v0. We've endured lots of disappointments and shared great victories. I know that I can only imagine the pain and stress you went through to try to help WG. You've done a great job as a leader, and its because of you that it still exists today. Its because of you that we have a thriving community, and people that help WG stay alive. WG has been a place for all of us to mature and build character. It's a place to gain friendship, and go beyond a "game."
I want you to know how much we value your efforts, even though we may not show it. At some point, everyone's time will come. WG will always be part of us, and I know that 20 years from now people will remember WG for what it is.
You've endured more pain and gone beyond more then any other leader should have. I understand. Go and enjoy your life. Just know the impact you've had on all of us and how great of a community you've built. WG is and will always be in your debt, and there can only be so many ways we can show it.
Good lucky lordy, I know you'll do great.
By Pyro Blade26 on 09/03/2008
After all that I think I'd be ready for retirement also. It's like joining the military. You can only fight for so long before you start to break down.
Good luck with your music career. From what I've listened too you're very skilled at it. I hope you find happiness.
Good luck with your music career. From what I've listened too you're very skilled at it. I hope you find happiness.
By ArSeNaLfAn32 on 09/03/2008
Sigh.... Eugene, you've always been a funny and optimistic guy. You never stopped working for WG. It probably is true that we haven't appreciated what you've done for us. If you truly do leave, I wish you luck in the future. No one deserves to go through the pain that you've been through. If you ever decide to come back, I'm sure you'll be joyfully welcomed back in. What you've done for WG can't simply be described with words.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
By Gusmighster on 09/03/2008
I don't know what to say, I'm stunned. You have been an amazing leader of WG for so long. No-one will ever show the dedication to a clan that you have shown over 4 and a half years. I thank-you, for everything you have done for WG.
I'm shocked.
Good luck with the rest of your life, have fun not being under the strain WG has caused you.
I'm shocked.
Good luck with the rest of your life, have fun not being under the strain WG has caused you.
By Twizlers300 on 09/03/2008
Wow, I never knew you felt that way, even when you gave your goodbye post back in Fall 2006, I don't think anyone really grasped the point.
However, you really are the hardest working leader I have ever known. Forums, website, publicity, and the finalization of the hardest decisions ... all that work. I think that even though you are leaving, you by far made a huge impact on the minds and hearts of both WG members and the clan community.
From a personal standpoint, I really thought of you as one of my idols in this clan ever since I joined. Even though we sometimes had our disagreements on certain issues (back when I was in council/after), I still believed you were right in the end. I think your experiences alone should give you the right to be the leader of this clan, even though it seems you aren't only leading the clan, but doing a lot of the extra work. Then again, anyone, in council or in a leadership position, always have their hands full because leading a clan is certainly a ton of work.
Abmanju I commend you for taking up the primary leadership position. It's a lot of work and I'm sure you'll feel the brunt of it in 2 weeks. Lordy, I wish you well.
However, you really are the hardest working leader I have ever known. Forums, website, publicity, and the finalization of the hardest decisions ... all that work. I think that even though you are leaving, you by far made a huge impact on the minds and hearts of both WG members and the clan community.
From a personal standpoint, I really thought of you as one of my idols in this clan ever since I joined. Even though we sometimes had our disagreements on certain issues (back when I was in council/after), I still believed you were right in the end. I think your experiences alone should give you the right to be the leader of this clan, even though it seems you aren't only leading the clan, but doing a lot of the extra work. Then again, anyone, in council or in a leadership position, always have their hands full because leading a clan is certainly a ton of work.
Abmanju I commend you for taking up the primary leadership position. It's a lot of work and I'm sure you'll feel the brunt of it in 2 weeks. Lordy, I wish you well.
By Pazenon on 09/03/2008
I really didn't see that one coming.
To my eyes, you are the greatest clan leader in Runescape. You are the most person I respect in this clan, and I know that many others feel this way.
I'm not a guy of many words, especially when I know they'll not change your views in any way.
My looks towards WG as a clan are not the same now.
WG won't be the same without you.
To my eyes, you are the greatest clan leader in Runescape. You are the most person I respect in this clan, and I know that many others feel this way.
I'm not a guy of many words, especially when I know they'll not change your views in any way.
My looks towards WG as a clan are not the same now.
WG won't be the same without you.
By Kwaichi on 09/03/2008
Eugen... this 4,5 years of your life what you spent for wag wasnt waste of time. You boilt great community, a great clan. I understand why are you leaving, i wanted do the same few weeks ago, but i decided to stay, because some of my friends persuaded me to stay = dont left RS.
WG - life without you will be hard, but i am sure this community will survive, believe your clan members.
GL IRL, i hope WG will see you sometime back, some ex-members join us again too and the legendary clan will rise up
Thank you hor everything what you did for us
WG - life without you will be hard, but i am sure this community will survive, believe your clan members.
GL IRL, i hope WG will see you sometime back, some ex-members join us again too and the legendary clan will rise up
Thank you hor everything what you did for us
By Starzhine on 09/03/2008
Gene Gene Gene, listen to Valdremia everything said in that post is so true. How many times have I told you that leadership creates a sense in the leader of crushing loneliness. The better the leader the worse it is. Your only vulnerable spot is that you expect the clan to notice, no they only notice when things go bad.
I am sorry we have not had time to know each other better. One of the things that age teaches is that people are in it for themselves and you know what; that is ok. If you don't take care of yourself you can not help others and that means saying NO sometimes. Like spoiled children they will try to fail you to get there way. Think to yourself “Shove off!”
When I made my children do things that were good for their development they would say "I hate you!" And I would reply "Good, I am doing my job!" I knew they loved me. You should know that the clan loves you.
You are a gifted leader with vision, intelligence but with a flare of the dramatic thrown in. You are an artist; you will always feel the slings and arrows of this world most severely. But rather than letting the "bastards" win, rise above them. Write off the selfish negative behavior to what it is, "immaturity" and move on. Then you can tell them that they are being immature and to stop it! Then chuckle to yourself because you know that they have a long way to go. I am not telling you that it won't hurt it will, but you must develop a shield against it. Life is a thing of joy with much beauty in it with people doing many great things. Try try try to keep perspective!
I found when I was a District Manager for Junior Achievement that volunteers always let you down. I realized that they could have a mood or at the last minute decide something else was more important then showing to do something they promised to do. And RS is a game so it is even worse! Even irl things important to you will not always be as valued by others. Yet you persist in wanting them to care as much as you do. Why is that? You set yourself up to be hurt! Move on from the disappointment and focus on when they do show up. Meanwhile the sad news is that the yoke is on you when they do not show up. Basic truth of life!
IRL is complicated, however Runescape is not, it is a game a place to have fun, keep it that way and all will thrive. It does not matter whether some 15 year old approves of what you are doing. Just consider the source and do what you do so well LEAD! Does it really matter who likes this and or doesn't. Tell them to "get a grip." Only you can protect yourself.
Gene you hold within you such great potential, but you will not get a chance use it, if you don't learn to let "the do do (the word I wanted to use was censored. lol )" slide off you. Remember it always runs down hill! lol And you are at the top.
I have spoken from my heart because over the years I have watched you struggle with this. Please know that I have a deep respect for your abilities. I am not a 15 year old, a 26 year old or even a 40 year old, so I have a perspective here that I hope can help you.
My only regret is that I could not know you better.
Oh and don't be too hard on yourself if you can not stay away. WG is yours and it always will be! XD
WG
I am sorry we have not had time to know each other better. One of the things that age teaches is that people are in it for themselves and you know what; that is ok. If you don't take care of yourself you can not help others and that means saying NO sometimes. Like spoiled children they will try to fail you to get there way. Think to yourself “Shove off!”
When I made my children do things that were good for their development they would say "I hate you!" And I would reply "Good, I am doing my job!" I knew they loved me. You should know that the clan loves you.
You are a gifted leader with vision, intelligence but with a flare of the dramatic thrown in. You are an artist; you will always feel the slings and arrows of this world most severely. But rather than letting the "bastards" win, rise above them. Write off the selfish negative behavior to what it is, "immaturity" and move on. Then you can tell them that they are being immature and to stop it! Then chuckle to yourself because you know that they have a long way to go. I am not telling you that it won't hurt it will, but you must develop a shield against it. Life is a thing of joy with much beauty in it with people doing many great things. Try try try to keep perspective!
I found when I was a District Manager for Junior Achievement that volunteers always let you down. I realized that they could have a mood or at the last minute decide something else was more important then showing to do something they promised to do. And RS is a game so it is even worse! Even irl things important to you will not always be as valued by others. Yet you persist in wanting them to care as much as you do. Why is that? You set yourself up to be hurt! Move on from the disappointment and focus on when they do show up. Meanwhile the sad news is that the yoke is on you when they do not show up. Basic truth of life!
IRL is complicated, however Runescape is not, it is a game a place to have fun, keep it that way and all will thrive. It does not matter whether some 15 year old approves of what you are doing. Just consider the source and do what you do so well LEAD! Does it really matter who likes this and or doesn't. Tell them to "get a grip." Only you can protect yourself.
Gene you hold within you such great potential, but you will not get a chance use it, if you don't learn to let "the do do (the word I wanted to use was censored. lol )" slide off you. Remember it always runs down hill! lol And you are at the top.
I have spoken from my heart because over the years I have watched you struggle with this. Please know that I have a deep respect for your abilities. I am not a 15 year old, a 26 year old or even a 40 year old, so I have a perspective here that I hope can help you.
My only regret is that I could not know you better.
Oh and don't be too hard on yourself if you can not stay away. WG is yours and it always will be! XD
WG
By T Dwag on 09/03/2008
Wow what a shock. There were timse before I thought you would give up on us, but you didn't. You helped us rebuild but now that it actually happened... I don't know what to say. What I know is this: I will never understand the hardships of being a clan leader, you have my respect for lasting this long Gene. I can't say I did my fair share of clan work but I am only an emeritus after all. Like Tnuac said I think you're the hardest working clan leader on any game.
I am sure our members would have helped you if we knew but I am also sure they would have eventually forgotten their promise. I'm sorry it had to end like this Eugene, as I see you are very unhappy. You were a role model for many and thank you for making my time here, along with others', an enjoyable experience. We have propsered while you suffered... You're only human and you deserve no blame for leaving. I am sorry you do not feel appreciated... For some reason humans try to find fault in a person instead of what's good about them.
My personal philosophy is to put myself before others, because at the end of the day you can satisfy yourself or satisfy many others, and the bigger impact comes with making others happy. I also value honesty and I'm glad you came out with this post instead of suffering in silence. Thank you for your time, blood, sweat and tears making this clan all it could be. But I encourage you to leave and enjoy the rest of your life, you've had enough of RS for a lifetime. Maybe one day you would rejoin as a normal member and let others sit back while you have fun for a change.
You are definitely the greatest leader in RS. Good luck in real life man.
Brandon
I am sure our members would have helped you if we knew but I am also sure they would have eventually forgotten their promise. I'm sorry it had to end like this Eugene, as I see you are very unhappy. You were a role model for many and thank you for making my time here, along with others', an enjoyable experience. We have propsered while you suffered... You're only human and you deserve no blame for leaving. I am sorry you do not feel appreciated... For some reason humans try to find fault in a person instead of what's good about them.
My personal philosophy is to put myself before others, because at the end of the day you can satisfy yourself or satisfy many others, and the bigger impact comes with making others happy. I also value honesty and I'm glad you came out with this post instead of suffering in silence. Thank you for your time, blood, sweat and tears making this clan all it could be. But I encourage you to leave and enjoy the rest of your life, you've had enough of RS for a lifetime. Maybe one day you would rejoin as a normal member and let others sit back while you have fun for a change.
You are definitely the greatest leader in RS. Good luck in real life man.
Brandon
By Spicy63 on 09/03/2008
Gene, what can I say, what can anyone say?
You've explained it all there for us, you've given explenations to what many of us will respond.
The things you have sacraficed for this Clan and its Members are with out Value, most you will never be able to get back. That's the most dedication anyone can ever do for us.
And, we took advantage of it. We lost our chance.
For all the things you have done for this Clan, you deserve this time of peace...WG is your home, but leaving WG will be your rescue.
So, I will not try and stop you, nor should anyone.
I will wish you luck in your life. Your a great man and will go far, with out question. I'll look forward to hearing your music in the future, viewing your work, here, in the past.
You know what you have to do, no one else can choose that path for you. You've chosedn your path, and for you it is the better one.
With that said there's nothing more I can do, so I will leave you with this.
Best of luck to you Eugene Marshall, you will never be forgotten.
You've explained it all there for us, you've given explenations to what many of us will respond.
The things you have sacraficed for this Clan and its Members are with out Value, most you will never be able to get back. That's the most dedication anyone can ever do for us.
And, we took advantage of it. We lost our chance.
For all the things you have done for this Clan, you deserve this time of peace...WG is your home, but leaving WG will be your rescue.
So, I will not try and stop you, nor should anyone.
I will wish you luck in your life. Your a great man and will go far, with out question. I'll look forward to hearing your music in the future, viewing your work, here, in the past.
You know what you have to do, no one else can choose that path for you. You've chosedn your path, and for you it is the better one.
With that said there's nothing more I can do, so I will leave you with this.
Best of luck to you Eugene Marshall, you will never be forgotten.
By rachellove9 on 09/03/2008
I am surprised I am new and really dont know you but the day you returned I saw how much they all love you. Respect seems to be an issue amoung the members but age is the factor. Good Luck and I hope your decision makes you happy and lets you write a great song.
I would love to see you stay and take some position with the new members
I would love to see you stay and take some position with the new members
By Dorcha3377 on 09/03/2008
I am not surprised about this. People will never know the secret heartache of being a leader. You can beg people to help and they turn on you.
You have people who make you feel 10 feet tall one moment then 2 inches tall the next.
There is no leader in the clan world that will ever compare to you. I am so sorry I failed you while you were gone and you have to take the backlash upon your return.
This is not a failure for you though, its a beginning.
A burden will be gone from you.
I know you now understand where I was coming from when I said, I am heartsick.
From the very first war I have followed you. Since 2004, I have been here from them all.
It was a hell of a ride. Thank you for letting me come along.
Now go out, find your way in life, be at peace and may your soul find solace.
I love you, I said that last night and I mean it still.
Good luck Abs, if you need me I am not far away.
You have people who make you feel 10 feet tall one moment then 2 inches tall the next.
There is no leader in the clan world that will ever compare to you. I am so sorry I failed you while you were gone and you have to take the backlash upon your return.
This is not a failure for you though, its a beginning.
A burden will be gone from you.
I know you now understand where I was coming from when I said, I am heartsick.
From the very first war I have followed you. Since 2004, I have been here from them all.
It was a hell of a ride. Thank you for letting me come along.
Now go out, find your way in life, be at peace and may your soul find solace.
I love you, I said that last night and I mean it still.
Good luck Abs, if you need me I am not far away.
By Yingyang06 on 09/03/2008
Eugene, this post is not to make you stay because i can see you have your mind set on leaving.
Over the past few years WG has been threw it's bad times and its good times. Members have joined and members have left but this does not change the fact that you were one of the most amazing Leaders i know to date. I am pleased to class myself as Ex-WG and to be under your command.
You have been there for everyone, whether it be flames or racist remarks you knew what to do and you did it with no hesitation. I can honestly say that your are a good friend of mine and i am thankful of such a friendship.
Wilderness Guardians will truly miss you but they themselves need to realise that you only wanted what is best for the clan and to ignore you is to screw everything up. At the end of the day WG is built up of commitment and it's leadership, which in turn both came greatly from you. You put in alot of dedication when we had our Anniversary event and your health suffered from it. You should not have to put yourself through that, Other members should realise that you are doing so much to keep the clan together instead of sitting back and watching you struggle, they need to get together and help. This may sound rude but it is True.
Eugene, you have done an outstanding job with the Wilderness Guardians and i wish you the bes tin the future whatever that maybe. It is sorry to see such an illustrious leader step down from such a large clan, but when it's your time you cannot fault that and you must.
You will always be in my heart and i bid thee farewell. Keep in contact.
On a lighter note it maybe upsetting that such a marvellous primary leader is stepping down but another takes his place, Abmanju good luck.
Yingyang06
Over the past few years WG has been threw it's bad times and its good times. Members have joined and members have left but this does not change the fact that you were one of the most amazing Leaders i know to date. I am pleased to class myself as Ex-WG and to be under your command.
You have been there for everyone, whether it be flames or racist remarks you knew what to do and you did it with no hesitation. I can honestly say that your are a good friend of mine and i am thankful of such a friendship.
Wilderness Guardians will truly miss you but they themselves need to realise that you only wanted what is best for the clan and to ignore you is to screw everything up. At the end of the day WG is built up of commitment and it's leadership, which in turn both came greatly from you. You put in alot of dedication when we had our Anniversary event and your health suffered from it. You should not have to put yourself through that, Other members should realise that you are doing so much to keep the clan together instead of sitting back and watching you struggle, they need to get together and help. This may sound rude but it is True.
Eugene, you have done an outstanding job with the Wilderness Guardians and i wish you the bes tin the future whatever that maybe. It is sorry to see such an illustrious leader step down from such a large clan, but when it's your time you cannot fault that and you must.
You will always be in my heart and i bid thee farewell. Keep in contact.
On a lighter note it maybe upsetting that such a marvellous primary leader is stepping down but another takes his place, Abmanju good luck.
Yingyang06
By Tmal34 on 09/03/2008
I'm not one to post essays when they aren't needed so I won't.
Others say they are shocked at this, and I say the opposite. I saw this coming and for good reason.
WG has always been a clan that doesn't respect those who are doing the work behind the scenes, and you faced the brunt of that attitude. It is wise of you to make the choice that is best for you in life and this is just that. For your own health and happiness it's time for separation from WG.
I do wish you the best and you know where to find me if you ever want a chat.
Others say they are shocked at this, and I say the opposite. I saw this coming and for good reason.
WG has always been a clan that doesn't respect those who are doing the work behind the scenes, and you faced the brunt of that attitude. It is wise of you to make the choice that is best for you in life and this is just that. For your own health and happiness it's time for separation from WG.
I do wish you the best and you know where to find me if you ever want a chat.
By Indivi2you on 09/03/2008
Well Eugene, I can't say i feel you. I have never been around the suffering you have shown me today in this post. I am terribly shocked and extremely sad for you. I read everything you wrote, and now when it comes to thought. WG has treated you nowhere near what it should have. In my opinion, you have been only such a great leader that anyone will ever see. The way you thought for WG, the way you dealt with the pressure and such, nobody can match it.
I want to tell you that I'm sorry if i had promised to help in my time, and if i hadn't done anything good. What you say in this H&G post is so very true, i cannot even explain.
Have a great one Eugene. I hope to see you once again.
~Indivi2you
~Saad
I want to tell you that I'm sorry if i had promised to help in my time, and if i hadn't done anything good. What you say in this H&G post is so very true, i cannot even explain.
Have a great one Eugene. I hope to see you once again.
~Indivi2you
~Saad
By Colinwarrior on 09/03/2008
I understand and respect your decision. Being a clan leader is often a tiring and thankless job. And I can safely say, that nobody could have done a better job then you. You were, and still are, the best. Hands down. Your motivation, hard work and perseverance have brought glory to WG more times than not.
It was truly an honor to have lived and fought under your leadership. The past 2+ years have been very interesting here, and I could not have asked for better leadership throughout.
Farewell and good luck my friend.
It was truly an honor to have lived and fought under your leadership. The past 2+ years have been very interesting here, and I could not have asked for better leadership throughout.
Farewell and good luck my friend.
By Me9alomaniac on 10/03/2008
All the best, may things go smoothly for you. Take care.
By WG_Aaron on 10/03/2008
I am at a loss for words.
Ill just tell you how you've helped me.
I've ranted and raved and we've had many long discussions about how I didn't understand what you were doing, and how I thought you were doing something wrong. This was before a conversation we had one night as I was about to leave, You told me exactly what your job was like. Ever since then Ive had so much respect for you and what you've done. You've talked me into staying a couple times.
I just feel so bad that I cannot return the favor. WG will be at a loss without you. But in a way, I am happy for you, four and a half years is a LONG time.
Ill just tell you how you've helped me.
I've ranted and raved and we've had many long discussions about how I didn't understand what you were doing, and how I thought you were doing something wrong. This was before a conversation we had one night as I was about to leave, You told me exactly what your job was like. Ever since then Ive had so much respect for you and what you've done. You've talked me into staying a couple times.
I just feel so bad that I cannot return the favor. WG will be at a loss without you. But in a way, I am happy for you, four and a half years is a LONG time.
By Papatewiki on 10/03/2008
Hey Lordy.
We've always had our disagreements, but that's a part of being me
I see something wrong, I try to fix it.
I don't offer sympathy.
Or consolances.
That refers to the one topic.
Regardless, I won't say that you should stay.
RL > RS Right?
No, not right.
When you are a leader of a clan, that's like being the father of a family. A family 60 members strong.
Can a father just walk away from that? No. ... Well yes.
Abuse and utter discrimination has lead you to this. I understand in a way. Nobody can fully understand, ever, but I respect what you are doing.
As tmal said, it isn't really a big SHOCK. You know? No just 'WOW' kinda thing.
This ... This ... Emotion?? Has been building up for some time. But being the person you are, you kept hiding it and hiding it.
Now it's out, and it must feel amazing to finally say "It's over"
Well, I respect you Lordy.
You need this.
I've had alot of fun times, and alot of hard times.
I was extatic to be given the priviledge to be led under you once again.
I have you to thank for that.
I have to admit lordy, i don't know why, but this clan was like a family to me. You were like a father, and even Tmal was like that wayward uncle twice removed to me.
I wrote the end of this first, and i actually teared up about a second ago.
You will not be forgotten. Your legacy will lead on. Your boots, never filled, but always a step ahead of everyone elses, leading the day.
Take care lordy.
You will be missed.
And for a lighter side...
Oh... P.S.
Wg Fo Lyfe?
I will never forget those days. Those days with you and everyone that really showed me what WG was capable of. And not capable of as in Wars or PK trips. Capable of as a family.
We were whole
We were one big family.
I miss those days. And I will miss you as you are gone.
Take care Lordy
I sign as;
~Dragonfudd
*Lays a rose on a forgotten grave, leaves blowing on and off it in the wind. Nobody will truly know what this man sacrificed, but everyone will remember...
We've always had our disagreements, but that's a part of being me
I see something wrong, I try to fix it.
I don't offer sympathy.
Or consolances.
That refers to the one topic.
Regardless, I won't say that you should stay.
RL > RS Right?
No, not right.
When you are a leader of a clan, that's like being the father of a family. A family 60 members strong.
Can a father just walk away from that? No. ... Well yes.
Abuse and utter discrimination has lead you to this. I understand in a way. Nobody can fully understand, ever, but I respect what you are doing.
As tmal said, it isn't really a big SHOCK. You know? No just 'WOW' kinda thing.
This ... This ... Emotion?? Has been building up for some time. But being the person you are, you kept hiding it and hiding it.
Now it's out, and it must feel amazing to finally say "It's over"
Well, I respect you Lordy.
You need this.
I've had alot of fun times, and alot of hard times.
I was extatic to be given the priviledge to be led under you once again.
I have you to thank for that.
I have to admit lordy, i don't know why, but this clan was like a family to me. You were like a father, and even Tmal was like that wayward uncle twice removed to me.
I wrote the end of this first, and i actually teared up about a second ago.
You will not be forgotten. Your legacy will lead on. Your boots, never filled, but always a step ahead of everyone elses, leading the day.
Take care lordy.
You will be missed.
And for a lighter side...
Oh... P.S.
Wg Fo Lyfe?
I will never forget those days. Those days with you and everyone that really showed me what WG was capable of. And not capable of as in Wars or PK trips. Capable of as a family.
We were whole
We were one big family.
I miss those days. And I will miss you as you are gone.
Take care Lordy
I sign as;
~Dragonfudd
*Lays a rose on a forgotten grave, leaves blowing on and off it in the wind. Nobody will truly know what this man sacrificed, but everyone will remember...
By Ahr1ms Pur3 on 10/03/2008
all the best Eugene have a great life away from rs.
ps the last couple of weeks i got to know you has been enjoyable thank you
ps the last couple of weeks i got to know you has been enjoyable thank you
By Multikill529 on 10/03/2008
And thus it seems in the end, not even the reign of his lordship could last forever. For that is the way of the world, that all good things must come to an end. And now, he takes his place, amongst the legends of the past.
Farewell old friend, I have always respected you, yet I admit that I have not given you the help nor the attitude you deserve.
I saw this comming simply because it is inevitable that eventually you would move on to bigger and better things. Your dedication and steadfast devotion will get you far in the real world and I wish you the utmost best.
Goodbye Eugene. Thanks for the great run.
Farewell old friend, I have always respected you, yet I admit that I have not given you the help nor the attitude you deserve.
I saw this comming simply because it is inevitable that eventually you would move on to bigger and better things. Your dedication and steadfast devotion will get you far in the real world and I wish you the utmost best.
Goodbye Eugene. Thanks for the great run.
By His Lordship on 10/03/2008
The privacy of this forum has been breached.
Warrior98725 leaked this post to SE so soon the clan world will all know.
Prepare for the growing public awareness.
For now, deny claims that I am leaving please.
Warrior98725 leaked this post to SE so soon the clan world will all know.
Prepare for the growing public awareness.
For now, deny claims that I am leaving please.
By Squelchyfish on 10/03/2008
By Dalejamesw on 10/03/2008
| QUOTE (Squelchyfish @ March 10, 2008 03:26 pm) |
| |
Ex-members get access to this. I could see it being changed tbh.
Hardley a Spy problem.
By Tnuac on 10/03/2008
If warrior screenshotted the topic, it can't be avoided.
If not, its alright.
If not, its alright.
By Darth Hansen on 10/03/2008
Good luck in the real life. We had our arugments and differents but i will still respect you.
By Anatcrafter on 10/03/2008
I've been in the clan world for what, about 6 or 7 months now and it seems strange to think about WG without you at the brink 
From what I've experienced though you've got some great leadership qualities and dedication which I'm sure will guide you successfully through life. Thanks for everything you've done, thanks for everything you're still doing and go get that body count up
From what I've experienced though you've got some great leadership qualities and dedication which I'm sure will guide you successfully through life. Thanks for everything you've done, thanks for everything you're still doing and go get that body count up
By Parth23 Jani on 10/03/2008
Inabit yo 
Have fun
I may not have liked you and all but I'll still say you always tried to make WG a better clan. Gj (Y)
Have fun
I may not have liked you and all but I'll still say you always tried to make WG a better clan. Gj (Y)
By Mickey on 10/03/2008
| QUOTE (Tnuac @ March 10, 2008 04:46 pm) |
| If warrior screenshotted the topic, it can't be avoided. If not, its alright. |
He did, he mentioned it on SE forums.
Lordy, I am speachless. I sent you a PM with kind words. I sent you it before I had fully read the topic. Just ignore it now if you wish.
I am sorry for everything you have went through, it will not be forgtten. I am going to miss you dearly. But as Dale said, there goes the best leader ever. Add my MSN, I would love to keep in contact.
My MSN is [email protected]
I will realy miss you Lordy. Thanks for being our leader all this time.
By Mickey on 10/03/2008
| QUOTE (Darth Hansen @ March 10, 2008 06:11 pm) |
| Good luck in the real life. We had our arugments and differents but i will still respect you. |
Sorry for the double post. But Darth, you have your differences... But he has indured many ears of suffering.. He deserves respect in his last few days. He didn't deserve to be slaged like this "Lol! Readed it too. Kinda funny. How can he expect respect when he has done so much **** to Wg. Hell if he didn't come back D-Day 1st December 2006 Wg would possibly be an top 10 clan."
Thanks Darth, for supporting Lordy. Nice also giving SE ammo by stating that you KNOW Lordy is leaving....
By Parth23 Jani on 11/03/2008
By Xena1168 on 11/03/2008
After all of that reading I did, I am now even more confused about what the hell is going on.
I haven't been in the forums for the last couple of days and here I am reading and just basically catching up to everything.
Gene, hun.....
IT IS ABOUT BLOODY TIME.
You were a fickle leader, but you commited 100% I caved when you tried to give me leadership, and others have tried and non has fit the shoes you have set yourself for. I stood on the sidelines and just watched and yes, everything you said was true. So many of the people in this clan including myself just relied too much on you. Hell, I could not even envision WG without you in it. It left a bad taste in the mouth. Since you are the beginning of this clan, it will never be the same with someone at the helm. I say if this is truly it for you, I am so happy for you. You deserve to move on with your life without such a great responsibility, not to mention, by the sound of it that alot of us in the clan have disappointed you too.
Do what you think is right for the life that is ahead of you without WG. Just like you did everything including the manipulation of the outcomes in the game. You did what you did because you are the LEADER....and since you took that role literally, you have also carried with you the real life dramas of the people behind the computers.
The first step was to meet the people in real life. That should be an indication that you have brought the clan to another plateau, another dimension, one of reality. It was so amazing to see the vid with you guys in them, just having fun. Yeah I didn't exactly agree with parts of it, but sheesh you only live once right....lol.
Life is calling you Gene and maybe it is time for you to sever the ties that binds you to WG. We will interact together in real life......I would not want to sever that friendship. I am sure that you will be in contact with some or all of us.
If WG is to change for the best or for the worst, it has to learn to stand on its own with another leader, or crumble to the ground. Who knows where that will take them.
I would like to think that you can move on with life without the thought of WG, but it won't be that easy to forget. WG will still be a part of you no matter where you go in life. Here, you basically created a game empire....lol as corny as that sounds, its true.
It is 9:45pm here so I am going to finish this reply.....Take Care Gene. I hope and pray that you find your path and that you never give up on your dreams no matter how minor they are. Follow your first instinct, it is usually the right one.
I haven't been in the forums for the last couple of days and here I am reading and just basically catching up to everything.
Gene, hun.....
IT IS ABOUT BLOODY TIME.
You were a fickle leader, but you commited 100% I caved when you tried to give me leadership, and others have tried and non has fit the shoes you have set yourself for. I stood on the sidelines and just watched and yes, everything you said was true. So many of the people in this clan including myself just relied too much on you. Hell, I could not even envision WG without you in it. It left a bad taste in the mouth. Since you are the beginning of this clan, it will never be the same with someone at the helm. I say if this is truly it for you, I am so happy for you. You deserve to move on with your life without such a great responsibility, not to mention, by the sound of it that alot of us in the clan have disappointed you too.
Do what you think is right for the life that is ahead of you without WG. Just like you did everything including the manipulation of the outcomes in the game. You did what you did because you are the LEADER....and since you took that role literally, you have also carried with you the real life dramas of the people behind the computers.
The first step was to meet the people in real life. That should be an indication that you have brought the clan to another plateau, another dimension, one of reality. It was so amazing to see the vid with you guys in them, just having fun. Yeah I didn't exactly agree with parts of it, but sheesh you only live once right....lol.
Life is calling you Gene and maybe it is time for you to sever the ties that binds you to WG. We will interact together in real life......I would not want to sever that friendship. I am sure that you will be in contact with some or all of us.
If WG is to change for the best or for the worst, it has to learn to stand on its own with another leader, or crumble to the ground. Who knows where that will take them.
I would like to think that you can move on with life without the thought of WG, but it won't be that easy to forget. WG will still be a part of you no matter where you go in life. Here, you basically created a game empire....lol as corny as that sounds, its true.
It is 9:45pm here so I am going to finish this reply.....Take Care Gene. I hope and pray that you find your path and that you never give up on your dreams no matter how minor they are. Follow your first instinct, it is usually the right one.
By Ansatsublade on 11/03/2008
I know I'm not in a position to ask you to stay, or question your choices.
All I can do is wish you the best, and ask to not forget us.
Seems even a legend can burn up.
All I can do is wish you the best, and ask to not forget us.
Seems even a legend can burn up.
By Timmy11593 on 11/03/2008
In the few months I have been here, I can say that I really did like it here under your leadership. I really did. I hope things go well for you in real life, and that things go smoothly for you in the future. Thank you so much for everything that you have gone through. Just don't forget that your efforts had kept this clan together for a very long time.
I'll miss you. Msn: [email protected] - Add me if you'd like.
I'll miss you. Msn: [email protected] - Add me if you'd like.
By Zeth007 on 11/03/2008
"I haven't seen dedication like this in a long time.
I applaud your efforts to join and I hope we live up to and exceed your expectations. "
This was the first you ever said to me lordy.
I trained for more then 1 year to get in to this clan.
I registered on the z6 forums for about 1 year and 1 month ago.
Since then I've always been honored EVERY SINGLE TIME you've ever said my name in irc or here on forums or anywhere. EVERY TIME you've said my name, I've smiled irl.
I have been a fan of WG for more than 2 years.
I have been a fan of you for more than 2 years.
Congratulations on making WG the best clan in runescape.
I will never leave it no matter what.
I was such a noob when I first joined your forums and even though I was, you still helped me.
I will be for ever thankful.
May the end of your runescape career be the start of your music career.
You will go far.
Remember to write something for some random percussion and send it to me
~Zeth
I applaud your efforts to join and I hope we live up to and exceed your expectations. "
This was the first you ever said to me lordy.
I trained for more then 1 year to get in to this clan.
I registered on the z6 forums for about 1 year and 1 month ago.
Since then I've always been honored EVERY SINGLE TIME you've ever said my name in irc or here on forums or anywhere. EVERY TIME you've said my name, I've smiled irl.
I have been a fan of WG for more than 2 years.
I have been a fan of you for more than 2 years.
Congratulations on making WG the best clan in runescape.
I will never leave it no matter what.
I was such a noob when I first joined your forums and even though I was, you still helped me.
I will be for ever thankful.
May the end of your runescape career be the start of your music career.
You will go far.
Remember to write something for some random percussion and send it to me
~Zeth
By Gibble00 on 12/03/2008
To me, Lordy = at least half of WG.
It's a rough blow. WG will never be the same, that is, if WG manages to continue on.
Lordy, I know you'll remain in contact though, I know you've got it in you to stay active on the forums.
Xena might be right, you've done too much. Too long. We love you though. Always have. It's been a good run for you, but it's taken its toll.
It has meant a ton to a lot of us. I may not have done a fraction of the work you have for WG, but to me, and many other members who have stuck with the clan, WG has been a substantial part of our lives. We have all put aside real life commitments to make it to a clan event and I know I must have clocked in hundreds upon hundreds of hours on WG's forums.
You began this masterful machine that has connected friends and allies, who would otherwise traverse the world unknown to each other.
:cheers:
Lordship is forever.
It's a rough blow. WG will never be the same, that is, if WG manages to continue on.
Lordy, I know you'll remain in contact though, I know you've got it in you to stay active on the forums.
Xena might be right, you've done too much. Too long. We love you though. Always have. It's been a good run for you, but it's taken its toll.
It has meant a ton to a lot of us. I may not have done a fraction of the work you have for WG, but to me, and many other members who have stuck with the clan, WG has been a substantial part of our lives. We have all put aside real life commitments to make it to a clan event and I know I must have clocked in hundreds upon hundreds of hours on WG's forums.
You began this masterful machine that has connected friends and allies, who would otherwise traverse the world unknown to each other.
:cheers:
Lordship is forever.
By Mangomaniac2 on 12/03/2008
For those who do not wish to read our entire forums, at least read this post before going any further:
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=976
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=975
Gene
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=976
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=975
Gene
By Dorcha3377 on 12/03/2008
He said he was leaving and that was a ploy for spies.
By Pazenon on 12/03/2008
We got rid of the leakers who wanted to make a good impression as new members to se
By Bassism on 16/03/2008
I read your post, but to be honest, I don't want to read any of the responses.
Not much to say really, keep in touch, somehow? MSN or something, also, come visit me.
Not much to say really, keep in touch, somehow? MSN or something, also, come visit me.
By Tricksy on 18/03/2008
Asian brothers for life.
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