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App Managers

By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
Well, after reading Randy's IA about the recruitment, I was thinking about how we should bring back App Managers.

I believe they are one of the keys to having a decent (Without mass recruiting) amount of members.

Here's what I feel are the pro's of bringing them back:
  • Our Recruitment topics will gain much more attention and will be massively bumped. (Following the rules of the fansite, of course)
  • We'll have more people constantly checking and recruiting from 'Looking for a Clan' section in various fansites
  • Our apps will processed a lot more quickly.
  • Mod word will be easier on Council and Tert as they'll have the app managers helping them.
  • It'll be easier for Council as that'll be one less job off their shoulders, so they can give more attention to other matters.

Cons:
Just one:
There is almost no recognition in this rank, which may discourage people.

What do you think?

Please bear in mind that if you're posting, give a detailed (but not very long) explanation over what you disagree on.


By Mager123789 on 30/01/2009
Like you said; there's no respect at all for the App Managers.
All the last ones resigned because they fellt useless & disrespected.

I think the council is doing a great Job atm, and if they need help with this, they could bring back the App managers.
But with only 1-2 apps a day, I don't think is really necessairy.

And about the recruiting on RSC, that's something every Guardian can do.
I know I don't do it myself, but I'll give it a go later on.



By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
QUOTE (Mager123789 @ January 30, 2009 01:33 pm)
Like you said; there's no respect at all for the App Managers.
All the last ones resigned because they fellt useless & disrespected.

I think the council is doing a great Job atm, and if they need help with this, they could bring back the App managers.
But with only 1-2 apps a day, I don't think is really necessairy.

And about the recruiting on RSC, that's something every Guardian can do.
I know I don't do it myself, but I'll give it a go later on.

That's the thing though, with app manager's we'd get more applications because our recruitment spots (Fansite Recruitment topics and 'Looking for a Clan' forums) would get a lot more attention.

By Flame5107 on 30/01/2009
The council are doing good with our apps atm the biggest thing i would be worried about is if they brought it back and the people that got it left because they didn't get acknowledged for all the hard work they put in to process applications.

~Flamey


By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
QUOTE (Flame5107 @ January 30, 2009 01:38 pm)
The council are doing good with our apps atm the biggest thing i would be worried about is if they brought it back and the people that got it left because they didn't get acknowledged for all the hard work they put in to process applications.

~Flamey

Yup, that's why applicants need to know that it's extremely important that they know it'd have little to no recognition.

By Abmanju on 30/01/2009
I'd disagree with you here, Mike.
Personally because I was the one that suggested the idea of Application Managers & Implemented it, back when I was Council. Ironic enough, I was also the one that suggested we get rid of it.

Because of many things really:

-Council is a package: Sorting out fights, knowing what to post, when to post, being decisive, being precise. Always calm & reserved. Dealing with Applications is also part of that package.

If you hand just one part of that package to someone, without the rest, they will be inexperienced & will do less of a job than someone with Council.

Since dealing with Applications is actually deciding who you want in your clan, and who you don't, it's actually very important to have all the information in Level Four before you accept that person.

For example, as the thing with Type Z Z Z, there was some relation with TBE. TBE didn't want Type to get accepted into our clan, but Zlatan (App Manager) didn't know that, so he accepted Type. Then we had to deal with a LOT of stuff with Tbe, going back & forth on whether he should be kicked, now that he's accepted, we can't kick him etc. etc.

It was a big misunderstanding because Application Managers aren't as well informed as Council would be.

Only Council would properly know how to accept & decline applications, because they are the leaders.

It's like saying I could mark Test/Exam Papers, I'm not qualified in it, I'm not an Examiner, but as long as I have the Mark Scheme, I'm fine right? What do I care about whether Density = Mass/Volume, if it's right, it's right, if it's wrong, it's wrong.

Council are the only ones for that job =D.

~Abs

By Aardvark39 on 30/01/2009
QUOTE (Flame5107 @ January 30, 2009 08:38 am)
The council are doing good with our apps atm the biggest thing i would be worried about is if they brought it back and the people that got it left because they didn't get acknowledged for all the hard work they put in to process applications.

~Flamey

Would be my worry as well but Mike is correct in his saying we could do with a few app managers for recruitment etc and to lighten the load on other leaders, and if app managers are brought back and not show, and I have to agree with Abs here, hes made some very valid points, if app managers cant see certain things and make decisions on thier own so to speak then no need for the posistion.

By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
Abs totally ko'd me thar L wub.gif

More opinions please neko2.gif

By Mager123789 on 30/01/2009
Hm, maybe a recruitment Team that just recruits people to WG.
By looking on Rs Fansites mostly.
Then the council can handle the actual applications.

By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
QUOTE (Mager123789 @ January 30, 2009 02:03 pm)
Hm, maybe a recruitment Team that just recruits people to WG.
By looking on Rs Fansites mostly.
Then the council can handle the actual applications.

That's quite possible too.

By Pazenon on 30/01/2009
QUOTE (Abmanju @ January 30, 2009 01:49 pm)
It was a big misunderstanding because Application Managers aren't as well informed as Council would be.

Only Council would properly know how to accept & decline applications, because they are the leaders.


Yeah, I honestly think that's the only reason why we shouldn't have App Managers. tongue.gif

By Billy on 30/01/2009
I think there will be alot of confusion on who should and shouldnt be accepted.

Using communication is a waste of time, that wont make things any quicker as you will be waiting for a reply from council, in which time they could have done on their own.

By George on 30/01/2009
I agree with Abs, although they do have a lot of work to do, I think that this job is one of the most important jobs, now more than ever, council have to accept the applications themselves.
This is the way in which they have caught so many spies recently because they have been able to do it all themselves and stuff.

Also yeah as you said, App managers got shitted on, on a daily basis neko2.gif

By Ragingwealth on 30/01/2009
Ok, close please, people gave very good reasons on why this shouldn't go through. tongue.gif

By George on 30/01/2009
Thanks for bringing it up though Mike, it's just a lot better at the moment that the Council handle it wub.gif
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